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Post by jimmygscfc on May 25, 2018 10:58:41 GMT
Scrap the loan €8m and he’s yours on Day 1. Have we not learned from the Imbula loans. Cut our losses and move on. What about his wages? His loan fee might cover the shortfall between what they're paying him and what we're contributing, but just giving him away now is bonkers.
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Post by canadianmoose on May 25, 2018 11:23:28 GMT
Shut the door on your way out fat kev you chuffing useless oaf. Turning circle of a cow that lad. If only that was his only weakness. Whoever thought he had the attributes to make even an average centre half wants shooting never mind sacking. Indeed. Vince Overson in 2018 could probably turn quicker.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2018 11:28:30 GMT
This seems like a pointless exercise like Imbula doesn't it? I’d hardly say that getting a person with a negative impact on the team out of the dressing room, removing a good chunk of wages from our weekly bill and having the chance that he will reestablish himself is pointless, It depends if you buy that spin doesn't it? Which I don't, it fitted the bill for making Lambert look a lot better than he was in terms of sorting the bad 'uns out. When in reality he didn't. Getting the wages of the wage bill is about the best thing to take from this. I will doff my cap to them all if Hannover pay 10m quid for him, that seems pie in the sky stuff as things stands.
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Post by alster on May 25, 2018 11:29:32 GMT
If only that was his only weakness. Whoever thought he had the attributes to make even an average centre half wants shooting never mind sacking. Indeed. Vince Overson in 2018 could probably turn quicker. And jump higher, show more aggression and determination. Add that being a grade A wanker as a bloke too. What's not to like .
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 11:31:53 GMT
It's a pretty good deal for them.
I don't think he's nearly as dreadful as people are making out, but i assume the club wanting to appear like they're clearing out has led to there being no chance of him staying.
Good luck to the lad
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Post by musik on May 25, 2018 11:36:41 GMT
Ok, people who know ...
How large is the net profit we made on this Wimmer guy now then?
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Post by nigerianstokie on May 25, 2018 11:38:56 GMT
Just to put this into perspective, we can potentially get more for Wimmer than we did for N'Zonzi. Good old Scholesy, always delivers.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 25, 2018 11:41:30 GMT
I’d hardly say that getting a person with a negative impact on the team out of the dressing room, removing a good chunk of wages from our weekly bill and having the chance that he will reestablish himself is pointless, It depends if you buy that spin doesn't it? Which I don't, it fitted the bill for making Lambert look a lot better than he was in terms of sorting the bad 'uns out. When in reality he didn't. Getting the wages of the wage bill is about the best thing to take from this. I will doff my cap to them all if Hannover pay 10m quid for him, that seems pie in the sky stuff as things stands. It's not pointless if he does well there and we can fuck him off though is it? There's a better chance of him doing that actually playing somewhere else than shuffling around like a zombie who's eaten a particularly large portion of human intestines in the u-23s surely?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 25, 2018 11:41:52 GMT
Just to put this into perspective, we can potentially get more for Wimmer than we did for N'Zonzi. Good old Scholesy, always delivers. But to put it in even greater perspective we payed 6x more for Wimmer than for Nzonzi. Good old Scholes always.....er.....
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Post by werrington on May 25, 2018 11:43:00 GMT
Suppose the kind of clubs who were going to be interested in him could never match his wages or give us a decent fee this summer. This is probably the best we could do at this point - just as the Imbula loan was the best we could do last summer. God knows what the best we can do with Berahino will prove to be? Not read that report but they would of had to pay a loan fee and then the £10.5m which probably all equates to around £14m If so fair play to stoke for recouping much of that crazy outlay
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2018 11:44:50 GMT
It depends if you buy that spin doesn't it? Which I don't, it fitted the bill for making Lambert look a lot better than he was in terms of sorting the bad 'uns out. When in reality he didn't. Getting the wages of the wage bill is about the best thing to take from this. I will doff my cap to them all if Hannover pay 10m quid for him, that seems pie in the sky stuff as things stands. It's not pointless if he does well there and we can fuck him off though is it? There's a better chance of him doing that actually playing somewhere else than shuffling around like a zombie who's eaten a particularly large portion of human intestines in the u-23s surely? Why not give him a chance to get fit and fight for a place in the side?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 25, 2018 11:47:05 GMT
12m they will never pay that. It’s just a loan nothing more
See ya in a year lard arse
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 25, 2018 11:49:14 GMT
It's not pointless if he does well there and we can fuck him off though is it? There's a better chance of him doing that actually playing somewhere else than shuffling around like a zombie who's eaten a particularly large portion of human intestines in the u-23s surely? Why not give him a chance to get fit and fight for a place in the side? Maybe he doesn't want to and would prefer to play in the Bundesliga?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2018 11:50:14 GMT
Suppose the kind of clubs who were going to be interested in him could never match his wages or give us a decent fee this summer. This is probably the best we could do at this point - just as the Imbula loan was the best we could do last summer. God knows what the best we can do with Berahino will prove to be? Not read that report but they would of had to pay a loan fee and then the £10.5m which probably all equates to around £14m If so fair play to stoke for recouping much of that crazy outlay Yeah, there could be a smallish loan fee (couple of million euro?) and they could potentially be paying half his wages (£1.5m?). Which is not to be sneezed at, and better than him playing for the U23s - especially as he's back in the shop window. But when you look at the kind of club Hannover are, and their history of signings, there does seem to be next to no chance of them forking out £10.5m on him next summer unless he morphs into Franz Beckenbauer and they're suddenly prepared to almost treble their club record transfer for him?
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Post by werrington on May 25, 2018 11:52:47 GMT
Not read that report but they would of had to pay a loan fee and then the £10.5m which probably all equates to around £14m If so fair play to stoke for recouping much of that crazy outlay Yeah, there could be a smallish loan fee (couple of million euro?) and they could potentially be paying half his wages (£1.5m?). Which is not to be sneezed at, and better than him playing for the U23s - especially as he's back in the shop window. But when you look at the kind of club Hannover are, and their history of signings, there does seem to be next to no chance of them forking out £10.5m on him next summer unless he morphs into Franz Beckenbauer and they're suddenly prepared to almost treble their club record transfer for him? It’s in the contract so they’ll have to pay it ...provided he goes well of course Following the Imbula loan debacle it’ll surely be triggered after X amount of games
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2018 11:52:53 GMT
Why not give him a chance to get fit and fight for a place in the side? Maybe he doesn't want to and would prefer to play in the Bundesliga? His words seem to suggest that wasn't true. Maybe it is now but even still, all of this seems gung ho. If we get 10m quid for him then I will doff my hat.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2018 11:54:46 GMT
Yeah, there could be a smallish loan fee (couple of million euro?) and they could potentially be paying half his wages (£1.5m?). Which is not to be sneezed at, and better than him playing for the U23s - especially as he's back in the shop window. But when you look at the kind of club Hannover are, and their history of signings, there does seem to be next to no chance of them forking out £10.5m on him next summer unless he morphs into Franz Beckenbauer and they're suddenly prepared to almost treble their club record transfer for him? It’s in the contract so they’ll have to pay it ...provided he goes well of course Following the Imbula loan debacle it’ll surely be triggered after X amount of games Time will tell - but it looks to be purely optional, rather than obligatory or having a particular trigger sportwitness.co.uk/stoke-city-option-put-e12m-medical-already-conducted/The amount is put at €12m, but Hannover don’t have to use this and will only considering going close to that amount if Wimmer has the season of his life.
In that respect, the clause isn’t much use to Stoke as the only beneficiaries are Hannover, as they know that, whatever happens, the price wouldn’t be more than €12m at the end of next season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2018 11:57:01 GMT
Yeah, there could be a smallish loan fee (couple of million euro?) and they could potentially be paying half his wages (£1.5m?). Which is not to be sneezed at, and better than him playing for the U23s - especially as he's back in the shop window. But when you look at the kind of club Hannover are, and their history of signings, there does seem to be next to no chance of them forking out £10.5m on him next summer unless he morphs into Franz Beckenbauer and they're suddenly prepared to almost treble their club record transfer for him? It’s in the contract so they’ll have to pay it ...provided he goes well of course Following the Imbula loan debacle it’ll surely be triggered after X amount of games You're giving them way too much credit Werrers. The loan deals of the last few years have all been pealers! Zouma - massive cost, average player. Indi - deal agreed.....oh no it isn't. Imbula - 2 loans, will he leave after this one? We can hope. Jese........
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Post by alster on May 25, 2018 12:06:06 GMT
It's not pointless if he does well there and we can fuck him off though is it? There's a better chance of him doing that actually playing somewhere else than shuffling around like a zombie who's eaten a particularly large portion of human intestines in the u-23s surely? Why not give him a chance to get fit and fight for a place in the side? Because he's wank, slow, can't jump, no aggression why not try to buy or develop someone who at least has some of the attributes of decent centre half. He's a grade a wanker to boot.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2018 12:08:33 GMT
Why not give him a chance to get fit and fight for a place in the side? Because he's wank, slow, can't jump, no aggression why not try to buy or develop someone who at least has some of the attributes of decent centre half. He's a grade a wanker to boot. I disagree on all fronts.
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Post by alster on May 25, 2018 12:10:22 GMT
Because he's wank, slow, can't jump, no aggression why not try to buy or develop someone who at least has some of the attributes of decent centre half. He's a grade a wanker to boot. I disagree on all fronts. I don't mind whether you do or not.
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Post by cyprus1stokey on May 25, 2018 12:50:09 GMT
One down, Ten to go (At least)
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Post by rawli on May 25, 2018 13:14:29 GMT
Suppose the kind of clubs who were going to be interested in him could never match his wages or give us a decent fee this summer. This is probably the best we could do at this point - just as the Imbula loan was the best we could do last summer. God knows what the best we can do with Berahino will prove to be? Not read that report but they would of had to pay a loan fee and then the £10.5m which probably all equates to around £14m If so fair play to stoke for recouping much of that crazy outlay Plus 3 million jizzed in wages.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 13:29:35 GMT
Scrap the loan €8m and he’s yours on Day 1. Have we not learned from the Imbula loans. Cut our losses and move on. What about his wages? His loan fee might cover the shortfall between what they're paying him and what we're contributing, but just giving him away now is bonkers. I’m saying sell him for€8m now. That way we save his wages in full!
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Post by jarvinski on May 25, 2018 13:33:05 GMT
When Daniel Levy comes knocking for Shaqiri tell him 50 million,
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Post by alster on May 25, 2018 13:33:44 GMT
What about his wages? His loan fee might cover the shortfall between what they're paying him and what we're contributing, but just giving him away now is bonkers. I’m saying sell him for€8m now. That way we save his wages in full! All you have to do is find a club stupid enough to pay it. There were plenty who would have gobbled it up before seeing his performances for us.
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Post by alster on May 25, 2018 13:34:54 GMT
When Daniel Levy comes knocking for Shaqiri tell him 50 million, Won't that be a bit difficult if he has a release clause and can speak to whoever the fuck he wants to?
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Post by NassauDave on May 25, 2018 13:35:01 GMT
Wright's Pies have issued a profits shortfall warning. Share values have dropped dramatically.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 25, 2018 13:38:19 GMT
What about his wages? His loan fee might cover the shortfall between what they're paying him and what we're contributing, but just giving him away now is bonkers. I’m saying sell him for€8m now. That way we save his wages in full! They can't afford his bloody wages though!
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Post by thebet365 on May 25, 2018 13:40:11 GMT
What about his wages? His loan fee might cover the shortfall between what they're paying him and what we're contributing, but just giving him away now is bonkers. I’m saying sell him for€8m now. That way we save his wages in full! He's got 4 years of a 70K contract left, he's not going to sign a contract on less wages elsewhere, and not many teams can afford to pay 70K to an average CB.
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