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Post by werrington on Apr 22, 2018 18:38:37 GMT
What you got in mind then? Open top bus parade? They all need to realise what a colossal shit show they have presided over. So you want Coates out then ?
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 22, 2018 18:41:25 GMT
What you got in mind then? Open top bus parade? They all need to realise what a colossal shit show they have presided over. So you want Coates out then ? Pretty much yeah. I said so 18 months ago but was slaughtered for it. We'll do nothing with him running the club. 10 years and over a billion pounds and we've come to this. Dithering, complacency, head in the sand, incompetence, lazy arsed, penny pinching. I've levelled it all at the club for years and it's 1 million percent correct.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 22, 2018 18:58:46 GMT
As a club we have gone through what can only be described as two years of total dog shit football and performances, in that time the crowd have in the main stayed on side even when the sacking of Hughes was being allowed to linger by the club, Through my time supporting the club the crowd have always been the sort to be vocivourous in demanding actions from the demonstrations of sack the board under the leadership of Bill Asprey along with our disaster of a season getting relegated with the record of lowest ever points, the demise of Alan Ball at wigan away to the storming of the board room when getting knobed by Birmingham, yet this time it seems that the crowd have just accepted it and allowed it to happen without any murmur of a protest. Why is this, Have we gone soft as a crowd now that we are more of a family club and all the anger is off set with a more restrained way of showing displeasure like leaving early, have we accepted that we are not a premier league outfit and as such we need a relegation to get the club back in shape. Why have we decided to go down without a whimper of letting people know who is to blame or blatant targeted chanting I share your frustration. We’ve become a bunch of happy clappers, just sat there in silence doing nothing. A lot like our owners in fact. There were some palpable moments of silence today. Sounded like death. I mentioned it to the kids cause that’s the sort of father I am 💀
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 22, 2018 19:09:20 GMT
I think the only way that we’ll get the fans to keep coming is to make some drastic changes to give the fans hope. Sack Scholes and Cartwright and bring in a flamboyant new manager would be a good start. Do that and he’ll win the fans back. More of the same and we’ll be down to 20-22k come August.
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Post by march4 on Apr 22, 2018 19:23:53 GMT
I think the only way that we’ll get the fans to keep coming is to make some drastic changes to give the fans hope. Sack Scholes and Cartwright and bring in a flamboyant new manager would be a good start. Do that and he’ll win the fans back. More of the same and we’ll be down to 20-22k come August. Precisely. Unfortunately, on current form, it is taking two years to actually do what we have been suggesting earlier.
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Post by potter25 on Apr 22, 2018 20:30:35 GMT
I hope Coates will right the wrongs
He has before..
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Post by jebbstuart on Apr 22, 2018 20:32:55 GMT
beginning to feel like the last coates and humphries era!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 20:44:30 GMT
Coats won't get rid of Cartoon. Sad but true!
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Apr 22, 2018 20:50:02 GMT
I think the only way that we’ll get the fans to keep coming is to make some drastic changes to give the fans hope. Sack Scholes and Cartwright and bring in a flamboyant new manager would be a good start. Do that and he’ll win the fans back. More of the same and we’ll be down to 20-22k come August. Flamboyant? You mean like a mauve vest and spats?
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Post by doitforfrank on Apr 22, 2018 21:18:56 GMT
As a club we have gone through what can only be described as two years of total dog shit football and performances, in that time the crowd have in the main stayed on side even when the sacking of Hughes was being allowed to linger by the club, Through my time supporting the club the crowd have always been the sort to be vocivourous in demanding actions from the demonstrations of sack the board under the leadership of Bill Asprey along with our disaster of a season getting relegated with the record of lowest ever points, the demise of Alan Ball at wigan away to the storming of the board room when getting knobed by Birmingham, yet this time it seems that the crowd have just accepted it and allowed it to happen without any murmur of a protest. Why is this, Have we gone soft as a crowd now that we are more of a family club and all the anger is off set with a more restrained way of showing displeasure like leaving early, have we accepted that we are not a premier league outfit and as such we need a relegation to get the club back in shape. Why have we decided to go down without a whimper of letting people know who is to blame or blatant targeted chanting Intrinsically I think the reason is who in reality do we protest against ? Peter Coates clearly backed the club up until a couple of years ago in a manner that we could only dream of back in the dark days and in reality he is our only hope going forward as there aren't t a queue of financial suitors desperate to pump billions into Stoke City are there ? The self sufficiency policy is at the root of the problems we have and yet we really have no alternative now than hope that the Coates family see the error of their ways and back the club again financially to ensure a swift return to the Premier League (albeit there are few signs of that at the moment and their faith in Lambert seems just a foolish and complacent as their faith in Mark Hughes. I expect things to turn really sour if by the middle of next season there is no sign of any ambition but until then what other options do supporters really have than hope that this season will provide the much needed shake up that is desperately required. Ive been saying for a while that I think Coates has given up on the Premier League dream and has decided that as a business we cannot afford to be in it, as daft as that sounds. All this self sufficiency talk is all very well, but are any of the top clubs self sufficient? No. Man U are up to the rafters in debt, yet still continue to spend millions and Man City, spend utter millions on defenders, if they were self sufficient with their "normal" revenue it would be remarkable accounting. If Coates has decided that he will not bankroll the club any more, I respect his decision, but he should actively look for potential investors, who are prepared to proceed in the modern football world.
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Post by Tunner on Apr 23, 2018 11:20:33 GMT
where has this 18,000 come from ??
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 23, 2018 12:41:02 GMT
As a club we have gone through what can only be described as two years of total dog shit football and performances, in that time the crowd have in the main stayed on side even when the sacking of Hughes was being allowed to linger by the club, Through my time supporting the club the crowd have always been the sort to be vocivourous in demanding actions from the demonstrations of sack the board under the leadership of Bill Asprey along with our disaster of a season getting relegated with the record of lowest ever points, the demise of Alan Ball at wigan away to the storming of the board room when getting knobed by Birmingham, yet this time it seems that the crowd have just accepted it and allowed it to happen without any murmur of a protest. Why is this, Have we gone soft as a crowd now that we are more of a family club and all the anger is off set with a more restrained way of showing displeasure like leaving early, have we accepted that we are not a premier league outfit and as such we need a relegation to get the club back in shape. Why have we decided to go down without a whimper of letting people know who is to blame or blatant targeted chanting Intrinsically I think the reason is who in reality do we protest against ? Peter Coates clearly backed the club up until a couple of years ago in a manner that we could only dream of back in the dark days and in reality he is our only hope going forward as there aren't t a queue of financial suitors desperate to pump billions into Stoke City are there ? The self sufficiency policy is at the root of the problems we have and yet we really have no alternative now than hope that the Coates family see the error of their ways and back the club again financially to ensure a swift return to the Premier League (albeit there are few signs of that at the moment and their faith in Lambert seems just a foolish and complacent as their faith in Mark Hughes. I expect things to turn really sour if by the middle of next season there is no sign of any ambition but until then what other options do supporters really have than hope that this season will provide the much needed shake up that is desperately required. By definition any club that does not aim for self sufficiency is reliant on some idiot sugar daddy to continually pump money into the club and is therefore reliant on: 1 the idiot being so rich that they or can carry on doing it forever 2 the idiot being so stupid they never come to realise the depth of their stupidity So what exactly is the purpose of the protest? To convince Peter Coates that he is being disloyal to the club for not being a complete idiot or to get Coates to accept that he isn't idiotic enough for the job and to go and get a more suitable filthy rich idiot who thinks running a football club without an eye for self sufficiency is a good idea? And where do we find such an uber-idiot? The Sugar-Daddy-Idiots-'R'Us superstore of Fenton? By all means protest if that's what lights your candle. But anyone who thinks it will make a blind bit of difference to our situation is just demonstrating the idiocy benchmark required of our next owner.
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Post by foster on Apr 23, 2018 12:54:39 GMT
Intrinsically I think the reason is who in reality do we protest against ? Peter Coates clearly backed the club up until a couple of years ago in a manner that we could only dream of back in the dark days and in reality he is our only hope going forward as there aren't t a queue of financial suitors desperate to pump billions into Stoke City are there ? The self sufficiency policy is at the root of the problems we have and yet we really have no alternative now than hope that the Coates family see the error of their ways and back the club again financially to ensure a swift return to the Premier League (albeit there are few signs of that at the moment and their faith in Lambert seems just a foolish and complacent as their faith in Mark Hughes. I expect things to turn really sour if by the middle of next season there is no sign of any ambition but until then what other options do supporters really have than hope that this season will provide the much needed shake up that is desperately required. By definition any club that does not aim for self sufficiency is reliant on some idiot sugar daddy to continually pump money into the club and is therefore reliant on: 1 the idiot being so rich that they or can carry on doing it forever 2 the idiot being so stupid they never come to realise the depth of their stupidity So what exactly is the purpose of the protest? To convince Peter Coates that he is being disloyal to the club for not being a complete idiot or to get Coates to accept that he isn't idiotic enough for the job and to go and get a more suitable filthy rich idiot who thinks running a football club without an eye for self sufficiency is a good idea? And where do we find such an uber-idiot? The Sugar-Daddy-Idiots-'R'Us superstore of Fenton? By all means protest if that's what lights your candle. But anyone who thinks it will make a blind bit of difference to our situation is just demonstrating the idiocy benchmark required of our next owner. End of the day, I'm sick and tired of no one but the manager being held accountable for the overall state of the club. We've had 10 years to build and strengthen and we've pretty much done neither. Aside from a fancy training ground, 3k more seats and a new screen we're right back to square fucking 1. Still can't even get a drink served to you in time if you go to the bar at half time. It's comical. The quality of management at the club can be likened to the quality of strikers in our team. Shite!! I don't particular care who it is (preferable TS though) but I want to see someone getting lynched (by this I mean fired).
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Post by tardelli on Apr 23, 2018 12:55:29 GMT
I think we have to be very careful what we wish for here.
The Coates family committed very significant funds to get us promoted and keep us there under Pulis. They did this because they are very committed Stoke fans who hurt when Stoke lose just as much as we do. The drive for self sufficiency was a mistake as was the decision to keep the faith with Hughes for as long as they did but this is partly because they are loyal and decent and one must remember he had delivered 3 top 9 finishes in consecutive seasons - a record , I think that , no other manager in the history of the club achieved. Whilst the decision to retain Hughes was a mistake , the decisions that he and his team made in relation to Berahino, Wimmer , Imbula etc cannot and should not be laid at the Coates famil door .
The transition from Premier League to Championship is fraught with danger ( witness Sunderland and Hull ) as it requires a totally different financial structure and the consequent changing of virtually 50 per cent of the squad. I do not believe we are well positioned to come straight back up but equally believe that if a completely new shareholder group , operation management team and manager try and address this change we could be in serious trouble next season.
Rather than slaughter Coates for well intentioned mistakes and protest ( taking a risk that they will simply say they have had enough ) lets get behind the entire Club , try and stabilise matters and reestablish ourselves in the Premier League. Anybody who thinks we are more likely to achieve this without the Coates family are simply deluded .
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 23, 2018 12:59:17 GMT
As a club we have gone through what can only be described as two years of total dog shit football and performances, in that time the crowd have in the main stayed on side even when the sacking of Hughes was being allowed to linger by the club, Through my time supporting the club the crowd have always been the sort to be vocivourous in demanding actions from the demonstrations of sack the board under the leadership of Bill Asprey along with our disaster of a season getting relegated with the record of lowest ever points, the demise of Alan Ball at wigan away to the storming of the board room when getting knobed by Birmingham, yet this time it seems that the crowd have just accepted it and allowed it to happen without any murmur of a protest. Why is this, Have we gone soft as a crowd now that we are more of a family club and all the anger is off set with a more restrained way of showing displeasure like leaving early, have we accepted that we are not a premier league outfit and as such we need a relegation to get the club back in shape. Why have we decided to go down without a whimper of letting people know who is to blame or blatant targeted chanting I share your frustration. We’ve become a bunch of happy clappers, just sat there in silence doing nothing. A lot like our owners in fact. As was predicted ten years ago by Bolton fans on this very board. Sad, but true.
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Post by mozzer on Apr 23, 2018 13:50:23 GMT
I think we have to be very careful what we wish for here. The Coates family committed very significant funds to get us promoted and keep us there under Pulis. They did this because they are very committed Stoke fans who hurt when Stoke lose just as much as we do. The drive for self sufficiency was a mistake as was the decision to keep the faith with Hughes for as long as they did but this is partly because they are loyal and decent and one must remember he had delivered 3 top 9 finishes in consecutive seasons - a record , I think that , no other manager in the history of the club achieved. Whilst the decision to retain Hughes was a mistake , the decisions that he and his team made in relation to Berahino, Wimmer , Imbula etc cannot and should not be laid at the Coates famil door . The transition from Premier League to Championship is fraught with danger ( witness Sunderland and Hull ) as it requires a totally different financial structure and the consequent changing of virtually 50 per cent of the squad. I do not believe we are well positioned to come straight back up but equally believe that if a completely new shareholder group , operation management team and manager try and address this change we could be in serious trouble next season. Rather than slaughter Coates for well intentioned mistakes and protest ( taking a risk that they will simply say they have had enough ) lets get behind the entire Club , try and stabilise matters and reestablish ourselves in the Premier League. Anybody who thinks we are more likely to achieve this without the Coates family are simply deluded . Yeh, you are right but what people are missing is The ground & training ground are owned by the Coates family through their subsidiaries like stoke holdings etc The TV money came in to strengthen the team and make us a better TV subject to watch The Coates family decided on home improvements such as a corner, training ground, screens etc etc was TV money used for this or was this extra investment sourced by the family If so this investment will significantly improve the value of their stake in the club due to the value rising with the improvements so it is money that they could have invested with return from elsewhere The Coates family decided to pump money in to sponsor said ground and shirts.....go check how we did against the lowest priced deals in the prem by the way The Coates Family may possibly draw a dividend from the club which is swelled by the amount of revenue going in and the minus coming out Bet365 get global exposure through the club via the deal above yet we still give the Coates family the credit as if this is all one sided...even though only just enough investment was made to keep us in the league....until this year of course it all back fired you can see where all this is going can't you, you do realise that all this is not as it seems at face value We have to change, we have to see the owners make positive steps to not just be in it for their own ends, they are not some money dripping cash cow and we have to realise that but they also have to realise that owning the club does not give them the right to make decisions that interest Bet365 unequally to SCFC, there is no one out there who will give us what the Coates do but they have to up the game and show some element of balance. Firing the hangers on will be a start
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Apr 23, 2018 13:57:01 GMT
Coates admitting he has made mistakes this season will/would be a start.
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 23, 2018 14:45:37 GMT
Over 18000 season tickets sold
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