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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 15, 2018 10:10:00 GMT
Now I’m not condemning this but if we lose Monday we are almost certainly down if not already. The atmosphere will be interesting to see what reaction Coates and the board get. Personally I hold the board and Coates equally responsible if not more responsible for the position we are in. Lack of signings and poor recruitment has resulted in this situation as well as other managerial decisions. I kind of hope they do receive some abuse seeing as Hughes got a lot of flack but for some reason the above have gone under the radar!. Bored of hearing Coates excuses regarding luck. It’s about time he come out and say we fucked up!! What's the point with abuse here!? PC might have kept faith in Sparky for too long, but I guess he will lose a lot of money by going down so it's not his wish either! Hughes also got decent money to spend, but was unable to spend it wisely. Should PC take the blame for this as well? I think PC is old school where he leaves team matters to the manager, and in my opinion this is the right thing to do as well. Abuse? NO!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2018 10:16:15 GMT
Now I’m not condemning this but if we lose Monday we are almost certainly down if not already. The atmosphere will be interesting to see what reaction Coates and the board get. Personally I hold the board and Coates equally responsible if not more responsible for the position we are in. Lack of signings and poor recruitment has resulted in this situation as well as other managerial decisions. I kind of hope they do receive some abuse seeing as Hughes got a lot of flack but for some reason the above have gone under the radar!. Bored of hearing Coates excuses regarding luck. It’s about time he come out and say we fucked up!! What's the point with abuse here!? PC might have kept faith in Sparky for too long, but I guess he will lose a lot of money by going down so it's not his wish either! Hughes also got decent money to spend, but was unable to spend it wisely. Should PC take the blame for this as well? I think PC is old school where he leaves team matters to the manager, and in my opinion this is the right thing to do as well. Abuse? NO! Coates fiddled whilst Rome burned. He is ultimately responsible for this.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 15, 2018 10:19:51 GMT
We are a small -medium club was going to happen sooner rather than later that's football ....West Ham Newcastle Leeds forest boro wolves Derby all have been at this position all bigger than Stoke ....it's what happens with promotion and relegation Well that's OK then
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Post by march4 on Apr 15, 2018 10:38:50 GMT
Without Peter Coates we could now be entering our 12th successive season in the 3rd Division.
He is as passionate a supporter as any of us and will be hurting desperately about this situation.
I’m not sure it is to him we should be directing our questions, but rather those who advise him.
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Post by sirgreenhoff on Apr 15, 2018 11:09:09 GMT
In the last ten years I have seen my team beat Chelsea, Manure, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool 6-1, go to an FA Cup Final, win a Wembley semi final 5-0. I have seen Stokealona play some of the best football I have ever seen and in sixty two years as a Stokie this has been a good period. Why Stokealona only lasted six weeks I don't know, but I don't think it was Coates' fault. In fact I think that most of the delirious joy I have experienced has been thanks to P Coates. Mistakes have been made but screaming abuse will achieve nothing. I have my season ticket for next season and I expect more misery - I am a Stoke Supporter not a bloody glory hunter. Well said, couldn't have put it better myself We are all gutted that our 10 year stay appears to have come to an end.But we'll regroup and be back We'll be with you, be with you .........
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Post by chellpotter on Apr 15, 2018 11:16:16 GMT
After censorship in the stadium where hughes out banners were removed on sight, he must be shown that arrogance and ignorance will not be tolerated, like the old Coates out grafitti on the A500 in the 80's. If you let him get away with this without a wimper Chic Bates might be back in a dugout near you!
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Apr 15, 2018 11:16:55 GMT
Be careful what you wish for.....abusing Coates is moronic..Denise may just say.. Dad you don't need this ..fek em and walk away. We then end up with a scenario like Brum with a Chinese owner who doesn't give a shiite about Stoke City and look where they are.
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Post by chellpotter on Apr 15, 2018 11:18:41 GMT
Be careful what you wish for.....abusing Coates is moronic..Denise may just say.. Dad you don't need this ..fek em and walk away. We then end up with a scenario like Brum with a Chinese owner who doesn't give a shiite about Stoke City and look where they are. Why would it be abuse, highlighting someones failings is often seen as helping them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2018 11:27:41 GMT
Be careful what you wish for.....abusing Coates is moronic..Denise may just say.. Dad you don't need this ..fek em and walk away. We then end up with a scenario like Brum with a Chinese owner who doesn't give a shiite about Stoke City and look where they are. But they did that then we will have had an owner who didn't give a fuck, especially if he recalled the debt and kept the stadium. It'll be intetesting to see if they do either.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 15, 2018 11:30:44 GMT
Now I’m not condemning this but if we lose Monday we are almost certainly down if not already. The atmosphere will be interesting to see what reaction Coates and the board get. Personally I hold the board and Coates equally responsible if not more responsible for the position we are in. Lack of signings and poor recruitment has resulted in this situation as well as other managerial decisions. I kind of hope they do receive some abuse seeing as Hughes got a lot of flack but for some reason the above have gone under the radar!. Bored of hearing Coates excuses regarding luck. It’s about time he come out and say we fucked up!! If Coates is responsible for the position we are now in, then he's also responsible for our promotion, FA Cup Final, our European games and three 9th place finishes. The thing about Coates that we should be most interested in, is what he does next season.
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Apr 15, 2018 11:33:10 GMT
Relegation Peter,
That's what the fuss is about.
Heads must roll,
Scholes OUT.
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 15, 2018 11:34:42 GMT
I doubt Coates gives a flying toss about what the fans think other than in some incredulous way if anyone dares question him. You don’t become a multi millionaire/billionaire worrying about what others think.
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Post by crowey on Apr 15, 2018 11:42:16 GMT
... interested to see that Carto told LMH not to buy Wimmer. Did he also tell him not to sign Imbula & Berahino? Don’t particularly like what Carto does, but who was ultimately responsible here? Yes, LMH. Look how he managed to destroy QPR. I’m not PC’s biggest fan, but all he did was provide the finances which were totally mismanaged
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Post by chayzenbacon on Apr 15, 2018 11:42:48 GMT
I don't think that abuse of Peter Coates is in order at all. Despite the sad situation that we are currently in, his ownership of the club 2nd time round has been very largely (not entirely for sure but none of us is perfect) good for the club.
However some spirited encouragement to persuade him to ensure that the chief executive and the head of recruitment pay for their failures with their jobs wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 15, 2018 11:43:16 GMT
Peter Coates has made some mistakes this season- he won't admit it, but we all know he messed up in keeping Mark Hughes too long. That's the huge mistake he made.
But why the fuck should we start hounding an eighty-year-old man who has put millions into this club, delivered us three 9th place finishes, a cup final, a Europa League campaign and many memorable days for making mistakes?
We've spent money, we've signed playes, we've just signed the wrong players and spent badly. If anyone should be losing their jobs as a result then it's the recruitment team- but do any of us really know who was responsible for each of the terrible deals we've done? No.
As a club, we have fucked up these past two seasons and relegation is the result. Three teams go down each year and they tend to be the clubs who make a mess of their transfers and employ bad managers. Someone has to go, and this year it's our turn. However, what we don't have to do is assume that we have to attack someone as a result- mistakes happen, people mess up, and rather than act like braindead morons or spoilt children, we could just man the fuck up, accept we're going down and start thinking about how we can get back up again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 11:45:52 GMT
I don’t agree with abuse of anyone as it’s just childish and embarrassing ...even tho I do blame Coates
His poor decisions and low ambitions have hurt him more than me
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Post by sportsman on Apr 15, 2018 11:51:04 GMT
St Pete has acknowledged mistakes have been made, let's go down with a lttle class ay, we'er not some jumped up little London club with dilution or granduer. We're going down, have been for weeks, let's do it with a little class. Exactly. Players will be watching how we are doing in the remaining weeks. It's important that we show we are still a good attractive club for then to come to, with passionate fans who are not going to run on the pitch and act like idiots.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2018 11:51:11 GMT
Peter Coates has made some mistakes this season- he won't admit it, but we all know he messed up in keeping Mark Hughes too long. That's the huge mistake he made. But why the fuck should we start hounding an eighty-year-old man who has put millions into this club, delivered us three 9th place finishes, a cup final, a Europa League campaign and many memorable days for making mistakes? We've spent money, we've signed playes, we've just signed the wrong players and spent badly. If anyone should be losing their jobs as a result then it's the recruitment team- but do any of us really know who was responsible for each of the terrible deals we've done? No. As a club, we have fucked up these past two seasons and relegation is the result. Three teams go down each year and they tend to be the clubs who make a mess of their transfers and employ bad managers. Someone has to go, and this year it's our turn. However, what we don't have to do is assume that we have to attack someone as a result- mistakes happen, people mess up, and rather than act like braindead morons or spoilt children, we could just man the fuck up, accept we're going down and start thinking about how we can get back up again. Agreed with that but the last sentence. People have and massive changes seem to be on the mind of a good number. Waiting and seeing got us into this mess. So waiting and seeing at the moment doesn't seem like that great of a plan. We need some incisiveness. Like how Hughes should have been fired on the final whistle last season. We need to get our house in order and that starts at the top. Abuse of Coates isn't the order of the day. Criticism is.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 15, 2018 11:52:18 GMT
After censorship in the stadium where hughes out banners were removed on sight, he must be shown that arrogance and ignorance will not be tolerated, like the old Coates out grafitti on the A500 in the 80's. If you let him get away with this without a wimper Chic Bates might be back in a dugout near you! What a load of bollocks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 11:52:22 GMT
Now I’m not condemning this but if we lose Monday we are almost certainly down if not already. The atmosphere will be interesting to see what reaction Coates and the board get. Personally I hold the board and Coates equally responsible if not more responsible for the position we are in. Lack of signings and poor recruitment has resulted in this situation as well as other managerial decisions. I kind of hope they do receive some abuse seeing as Hughes got a lot of flack but for some reason the above have gone under the radar!. Bored of hearing Coates excuses regarding luck. It’s about time he come out and say we fucked up!! I guess it depends on whether you think the club was formed in 1863 or 2007.
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Apr 15, 2018 11:52:51 GMT
Is Scholes still breathing?
He seems to have disappeared totally since the going got tough. Talk about leading from the front! He's the CEO and all this shit has happened on his watch. Any decent human being would fall on his sword but not Teflon Tony.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 15, 2018 11:54:57 GMT
Peter Coates has made some mistakes this season- he won't admit it, but we all know he messed up in keeping Mark Hughes too long. That's the huge mistake he made. But why the fuck should we start hounding an eighty-year-old man who has put millions into this club, delivered us three 9th place finishes, a cup final, a Europa League campaign and many memorable days for making mistakes? We've spent money, we've signed playes, we've just signed the wrong players and spent badly. If anyone should be losing their jobs as a result then it's the recruitment team- but do any of us really know who was responsible for each of the terrible deals we've done? No. As a club, we have fucked up these past two seasons and relegation is the result. Three teams go down each year and they tend to be the clubs who make a mess of their transfers and employ bad managers. Someone has to go, and this year it's our turn. However, what we don't have to do is assume that we have to attack someone as a result- mistakes happen, people mess up, and rather than act like braindead morons or spoilt children, we could just man the fuck up, accept we're going down and start thinking about how we can get back up again. I agree with most of what you say. Interestingly though there's an article in The Sunday Times Sport section on Lambert from that twat Northcroft - a really positive one as it happens. I don't know how true it is and it's not quoted, but it says that Peter Coates now wishes he'd brought Lambert in sooner. Not a direct admission I know but it's clear, if true, he wishes he'd sacked Hughes sooner. Sorry I can't do linky things. It's probably behind a paywall anyway.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2018 11:56:24 GMT
Peter Coates has made some mistakes this season- he won't admit it, but we all know he messed up in keeping Mark Hughes too long. That's the huge mistake he made. But why the fuck should we start hounding an eighty-year-old man who has put millions into this club, delivered us three 9th place finishes, a cup final, a Europa League campaign and many memorable days for making mistakes? We've spent money, we've signed playes, we've just signed the wrong players and spent badly. If anyone should be losing their jobs as a result then it's the recruitment team- but do any of us really know who was responsible for each of the terrible deals we've done? No. As a club, we have fucked up these past two seasons and relegation is the result. Three teams go down each year and they tend to be the clubs who make a mess of their transfers and employ bad managers. Someone has to go, and this year it's our turn. However, what we don't have to do is assume that we have to attack someone as a result- mistakes happen, people mess up, and rather than act like braindead morons or spoilt children, we could just man the fuck up, accept we're going down and start thinking about how we can get back up again. I agree with most of what you say. Interestingly though there's an article in The Sunday Times Sport section on Lambert from that twat Northcroft - a really positive one as it happens. I don't know how true it is and it's not quoted, but it says that Peter Coates now wishes he'd brought Lambert in sooner. Not a direct admission I know but it's clear, if true, he wishes he'd sacked Hughes sooner. Sorry I can't do linky things. It's probably behind a paywall anyway. That's frightening though as he wanted the useless Lambert and wanted him for longer. Mistakes aren't being learned from at all.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Apr 15, 2018 11:59:03 GMT
Now I’m not condemning this but if we lose Monday we are almost certainly down if not already. The atmosphere will be interesting to see what reaction Coates and the board get. Personally I hold the board and Coates equally responsible if not more responsible for the position we are in. Lack of signings and poor recruitment has resulted in this situation as well as other managerial decisions. I kind of hope they do receive some abuse seeing as Hughes got a lot of flack but for some reason the above have gone under the radar!. Bored of hearing Coates excuses regarding luck. It’s about time he come out and say we fucked up!! Given what Peter Coates and family have done for this club, it beggars belief that people think abuse is called for. So, what we need here is a Turnip Alert!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 12:02:07 GMT
Coates said "we need to get this right," meaning purchases ,in an interview last summer. We did not get it right. I dont want an apology or to give abuse. I would like our club to acknowledge to themselves our shortcomings and try to right the issue. We need 10 johnny Walters type players.no excuses just purchase. Through sales, free agents, loans and spending money. 10 Jonny Walters type players 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 15, 2018 12:03:45 GMT
I agree with most of what you say. Interestingly though there's an article in The Sunday Times Sport section on Lambert from that twat Northcroft - a really positive one as it happens. I don't know how true it is and it's not quoted, but it says that Peter Coates now wishes he'd brought Lambert in sooner. Not a direct admission I know but it's clear, if true, he wishes he'd sacked Hughes sooner. Sorry I can't do linky things. It's probably behind a paywall anyway. That's frightening though as he wanted the useless Lambert and wanted him for longer. Mistakes aren't being learned from at all. I hasten to add I don't agree with it because I think the appointment of Lambert was a disaster only surpassed by keeping Hughes on after the end of last season. I was just using it to highlight the fact that (if it's correct) Peter Coates clearly does regret retaining Hughes for too long.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 15, 2018 12:11:03 GMT
That's frightening though as he wanted the useless Lambert and wanted him for longer. Mistakes aren't being learned from at all. I hasten to add I don't agree with it because I think the appointment of Lambert was a disaster only surpassed by keeping Hughes on after the end of last season. I was just using it to highlight the fact that (if it's correct) Peter Coates clearly does regret retaining Hughes for too long. He probably does. But it was the arrogance in November/December that did it for me. He's the person to blame for this mess. And he has to make some massive changes and do it quickly. If that's sell the club, sell it. If that's a renewed appetite for us then get your shit in order. If it's to stagnate and do the bare minimum then prepare (hopefully) for a shit storm.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Apr 15, 2018 12:14:04 GMT
St Pete has acknowledged mistakes have been made, let's go down with a lttle class ay, we'er not some jumped up little London club with dilution or granduer. We're going down, have been for weeks, let's do it with a little class. Don't worry about that mate. I can assure you that nobody has "dilution or granduer".
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Post by fca47 on Apr 15, 2018 12:29:56 GMT
Should hope people are a bit more grown up.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 15, 2018 12:42:17 GMT
I hasten to add I don't agree with it because I think the appointment of Lambert was a disaster only surpassed by keeping Hughes on after the end of last season. I was just using it to highlight the fact that (if it's correct) Peter Coates clearly does regret retaining Hughes for too long. He probably does. But it was the arrogance in November/December that did it for me. He's the person to blame for this mess. And he has to make some massive changes and do it quickly. If that's sell the club, sell it. If that's a renewed appetite for us then get your shit in order. If it's to stagnate and do the bare minimum then prepare (hopefully) for a shit storm. I think you may be living more in hope than expectation there mate. We're a different animal than we were 20 years ago. We were still very much 'of the terraces' back then. We've become very sanitised by all seater stadia and the Premier League. I've not seen much evidence of a 'storming the barricades' mentality in the last 10 years which on reflection isn't a bad thing. Peter Coates is an 80 year old bloke, whatever he's done or not done (short of a few deviant criminal offences) he doesn't deserve a 'shitstorm'.
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