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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 17:19:21 GMT
There’s no way on earth this is a permanent deal for Gunn. They signed him for £13.5mill not too long ago and he’s still quite young. A swap loan deal doesn’t work as Butlands out of contract at the end of the season. The only way I can see it is Butland to Southampton for around £4-5mill and Gunn on loan to us for the season as part of the deal. Why not? He signed for Saints two years ago, for 10M plus add ons. He signed a five year deal. He'll be worth around 6M against the book now, and we're looking at around that for Butland aren't we? It would boil down to whether he wanted to come here I'd say. Oh hang on, I forgot other clubs make a profit on players! Silly me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 20, 2020 17:23:06 GMT
Good deal if we can get it done.
He’s not what I’d presume to be a very MON goalie though.
He’s a better footballer than our midfield bar Mikel.
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Post by EccyStokie on Aug 20, 2020 17:26:01 GMT
There’s no way on earth this is a permanent deal for Gunn. They signed him for £13.5mill not too long ago and he’s still quite young. A swap loan deal doesn’t work as Butlands out of contract at the end of the season. The only way I can see it is Butland to Southampton for around £4-5mill and Gunn on loan to us for the season as part of the deal. Why not? He signed for Saints two years ago, for 10M plus add ons. He signed a five year deal. He'll be worth around 6M against the book now, and we're looking at around that for Butland aren't we? It would boil down to whether he wanted to come here I'd say. Oh hang on, I forgot other clubs make a profit on players! Silly me. They have no reason to make a loss on Gunn. As I said he’s a young keeper who they will still value, if not now then for the future. Anyone with an interest in football knows Butlands stock is pretty low, he’s soon out of contract and we want him gone. Unfortunately we don’t hold much bargaining power here. Factor in Scholes is doing the negotiating and £5mill plus Gunn on loan seems a good deal.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 20, 2020 17:30:59 GMT
His brother Tommy is pretty good, too. I thought that was Jo Jo? <shows age> I only recall "Run, Run, Run". But what a track. (Shows self to be ludicrous old git).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 18:00:37 GMT
You could be on to something. Melchester Rovers had an excellent custodian of the uprights called Tubby Morton. He got tired of being teased about his size in the dressing room, and went on a crash diet, but kept it from the rest of the team. He lost a lot of weight, but his form absolutely tanked. Roy Race (the captain, obviously) trailed him and managed to get the truth out of his (Morton's) landlady. Rovers were in the cup final (as usual) and were having new suits made up. Roy and the boys secretly had the tailor make Morton's suit several sizes too big. So when he tried it on, he was distraught, thinking he was wasting away. The outcome? Tubby got stuck into some slap-up food (bangers 'n' mash, and treacle sponge I think). He piled the weight back on. Melchester Rovers won the cup, with Tubby playing a blinder. Could be the solution? Is Tubby Morton still playing? I have a 1958 Roy of the Rovers Annual and he was the reserve keeper at the time. He was also known as Hefty Morton at the time. Was he a "larger" gentleman when he was "Hefty" or "Tubby"? He changed his name to Jim Stannard and was last seen between the sticks at Gillingham.....
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Post by neddy on Aug 20, 2020 18:04:31 GMT
Not sure how a swap would help us re FFP? I thought the whole idea was to get a bit of cash back?
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 20, 2020 18:12:17 GMT
Is there any substance to this or is it just a rumour?
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Post by jeycov on Aug 20, 2020 18:15:53 GMT
Adam Davies won’t want to stay around?
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Post by lordb on Aug 20, 2020 18:16:32 GMT
Not sure how a swap would help us re FFP? I thought the whole idea was to get a bit of cash back? Gunn might be on less wages?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 20, 2020 18:17:44 GMT
Is there any substance to this or is it just a rumour? Who knows? But think Paul Joyce is generally considered to be very reliable and Percy-like - definitely not one to float bullshit, so looks like there's at least interest in the idea.
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Post by neddy on Aug 20, 2020 18:18:46 GMT
Is there any substance to this or is it just a rumour? Who knows? But think Paul Joyce is generally considered to be very reliable and Percy-like - definitely not one to float bullshit, so looks like there's at least interest in the idea. Butland wants south coast doesn’t he re Mrs?
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Aug 20, 2020 18:19:53 GMT
Could be something in this.
Gunn hasnt played since letting 9 in against Leicester.
Maybe there looking dor a more experienced no 2 and jack could fit their plans.
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 20, 2020 18:24:06 GMT
Is there any substance to this or is it just a rumour? Who knows? But think Paul Joyce is generally considered to be very reliable and Percy-like - definitely not one to float bullshit, so looks like there's at least interest in the idea. I hope so, good to know the reporter can be quite reliable aswell. I agree with a few comments above, they probably want Gunn to get some first team football and getting Butland in as #2 keeper as part of the deal would allow them to do that. Seems the most likely scenario to me. Would be pleasantly surprised to see a cash plus Gunn for Butland deal myself, or even a straight swap, can't see it though
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 18:37:01 GMT
Is Tubby Morton still playing? I have a 1958 Roy of the Rovers Annual and he was the reserve keeper at the time. He was also known as Hefty Morton at the time. Was he a "larger" gentleman when he was "Hefty" or "Tubby"? Good question. And the answer is I don't know for sure. But probably he is. I have a feeling Roy Race is still with us, and he must be about 137, so why not Tubby. Tubby was slightly more of a porker than Neville Southall I would say. (I have a feeling he was in love with Roy, but it was unrequited). Alas Roy only loved himself....
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Post by lordb on Aug 20, 2020 18:40:05 GMT
Good deal if we can get it done. He’s not what I’d presume to be a very MON goalie though. He’s a better footballer than our midfield bar Mikel. What on earth would a Martin O'Neil goalie be like?
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Post by lordb on Aug 20, 2020 18:41:04 GMT
Who knows? But think Paul Joyce is generally considered to be very reliable and Percy-like - definitely not one to float bullshit, so looks like there's at least interest in the idea. I hope so, good to know the reporter can be quite reliable aswell. I agree with a few comments above, they probably want Gunn to get some first team football and getting Butland in as #2 keeper as part of the deal would allow them to do that. Seems the most likely scenario to me. Would be pleasantly surprised to see a cash plus Gunn for Butland deal myself, or even a straight swap, can't see it though Butland plus cash surely? Straight swap would be a good deal for sure
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 20, 2020 18:45:12 GMT
I hope so, good to know the reporter can be quite reliable aswell. I agree with a few comments above, they probably want Gunn to get some first team football and getting Butland in as #2 keeper as part of the deal would allow them to do that. Seems the most likely scenario to me. Would be pleasantly surprised to see a cash plus Gunn for Butland deal myself, or even a straight swap, can't see it though Butland plus cash surely? Straight swap would be a good deal for sure it would be good, definatly
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 20, 2020 19:23:07 GMT
Interesting posts by tachyon on the Butland thread. Maybe Hasenhuttl has seen this and is willing to wash his hands of him and take a punt he can get Butland back up to his pre-injury form - knowing he's got McCarthy to compete with him regardless Not to say there's a keeper without potential in Gunn, but little bit worrying nonetheless I would have thought that Gunn is worth considerably more than Butland in the current market? Gunn in the Championship in 2017/18 allowed 60 goals which is six fewer than an average keeper would concede based on the quality of shots faced. Allowed 18 in 2018/19 in the Prem for Southampton, which is three more than an average keeper. Allowed 25 in 2019/20 again in the Prem, that was six more than an average keeper. One very good Championship season, subsequently one poor and one very poor Premier League season. Pretty much interchangeable with Butland based on their recent performances. I very much doubt that any keeper would ALLOW goals? How many of them were due to dodgy defending, exceptional Prem forwards, dodgy offsides not given etc. Of course, all keepers will have made mistakes that contributed to goals (don't we know it!) but to say that goals were ALLOWED is overstating any appropriate blame. It's a phrase. It doesn't imply blame. Goals scored, goals allowed, goals let in, goals conceded, shots not saved. Replace with your non provocative term of choice :-) Blame's implied because an average Premier league keeper, given the shots faced by Gunn in the last two seasons would be likely to concede 34 goals, not the 43 goals that found their way past Gunn and into the net. [/quote]
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 20, 2020 19:24:21 GMT
Gunn looked great coming through ranks at man city and to a lesser extent on loan at Norwich (he finishedxseason very strongly).
He's been pretty awful at Southampton though.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Aug 20, 2020 19:35:13 GMT
Gunn let in 25 in 10 prem games. (Inc 9 against Leicester).
Maybe saints dont think he's prem standard and are looking at options for butland to challenge McCarthy for no1 spot.
Maybe Gunn wants to move back north west closer to family.
Both gk's value has gone down in the last 12 month's so who knows.
Could be something in this one.
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Post by huuuuuth on Aug 20, 2020 19:41:48 GMT
Both top keepers who need a fresh start
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 19:48:12 GMT
Good deal if we can get it done. He’s not what I’d presume to be a very MON goalie though. He’s a better footballer than our midfield bar Mikel. What on earth would a Martin O'Neil goalie be like? Kasey Keller, Tim Flowers, Pegguy Arphexad?
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Post by Championship Potter on Aug 20, 2020 19:52:26 GMT
Not sure I’m ecstatic about using a loan spot on a keeper. Feel like we should be going for the best Prem prospects on loan (ideally winger or two) rather than this signing.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 20, 2020 19:59:11 GMT
Not sure I’m ecstatic about using a loan spot on a keeper. Feel like we should be going for the best Prem prospects on loan (ideally winger or two) rather than this signing. Could well be permanent? Southampton probably won't have any use for him if Butland goes there as they'll have 2 relatively young keepers fighting for the spot there. Hasenhuttl could well already have made his mind up on him, and the £10m is pretty much a sunk cost at this point. If they can use him to get Butland, he could take that - and both sides hope a fresh start can help both keepers? theathletic.co.uk/1926950/At the time he was dropped for Southampton, Gunn’s save percentage of 54.6 per cent was the second-worst in the league this season after Kepa Arrizabalaga. Statistically speaking, Gunn had a horrid 2019-20 season.
but when we look at the chart… You can see what made Hasenhuttl hand him the starting goalkeeper position before the season began.
Gunn is very much the modern goalkeeper, who is adept with his feet (that 8 o’clock shape again) and frequently races off his line (the big spike at 6 o’clock).
“I spent a lot of time at St George’s Park watching the under-21s train a lot and they were masters of playing out from the back. All the keepers, (including Gunn) were calm and comfortable,” says Preece.
“He doesn’t look anxious on the ball. He actually looks really calm. The quietness can be a strength. You don’t have to be a ranter and a raver to be dominant. He has got a calmness about him as well.”
Gunn is good with his feet. He can calm a defence down when passing out from the back but, during Southampton’s dark days, they needed someone to be dominant with their hands, able to come for crosses and save the many shots they gave up on goal. While Gunn was OK at the crosses (the 4 o’clock), he got sucked into something of a negative spiral with his shot-stopping (12 o’clock).
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Post by liathroid on Aug 20, 2020 19:59:19 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 20, 2020 20:05:50 GMT
Good deal if we can get it done. He’s not what I’d presume to be a very MON goalie though. He’s a better footballer than our midfield bar Mikel. What on earth would a Martin O'Neil goalie be like? Gunn is a very progressive modern goalkeeper. I just thought MON would go for a more solid sort.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2020 20:09:28 GMT
What on earth would a Martin O'Neil goalie be like? Gunn is a very progressive modern goalkeeper. I just thought MON would go for a more solid sort. Coach Bayern knows all about Gunn😂😂
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 20, 2020 20:28:12 GMT
To be fair I think there are only a couple of those goals I would ask questions about. The second or third where he’s beaten on his near post and the Vardy header from the edge of the six yard box. Hell, he even went the right way for the penalty on the last goal. That result will always show the keeper in a bad light, but that was some bloody appalling defending by Saints and it’s not like Gunn would play behind a defence as bad as that at Stoke is it? 🤔
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Post by liathroid on Aug 20, 2020 20:31:55 GMT
To be fair I think there are only a couple of those goals I would ask questions about. The second or third where he’s beaten on his near post and the Vardy header from the edge of the six yard box. Hell, he even went the right way for the penalty on the last goal. That result will always show the keeper in a bad light, but that was some bloody appalling defending by Saints and it’s not like Gunn would play behind a defence as bad as that at Stoke is it? 🤔 yeah maybe the first and third ,thats about it ,he must have saved a few
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Post by DC1863 on Aug 20, 2020 20:36:49 GMT
What on earth would a Martin O'Neil goalie be like? Gunn is a very progressive modern goalkeeper. I just thought MON would go for a more solid sort. I thought the same, he could be listening to advice from Rouse and Cousins who will know all about Gunn from their times at City. Maybe MON will favour playing out from the back more with a keeper more competent in his kicking.
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