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Post by onionman on Oct 17, 2020 11:38:21 GMT
A quick breakdown of the gun-related puns in this thread so far: Shot/shoot: 9Barrel/calibre/bore: 9Gun/tommy/rifle/revolver/Smith&Wesson/Beretta: 9Bullet/powder: 7Trigger/fire/blast: 5Aim/target/sights/wide of the mark: 4Magazine: 1Ballistic: 1A total of 45 gun-related puns. 8% of the thread. Angus Punn
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Post by tachyon on Oct 17, 2020 12:59:17 GMT
The numbers back up this view. In the Championship he was very good. Based on the quality & quantity of on target attempts he faced, there was only a 10% chance an average Championship keeper performed as well or better than Gunn at Norwich. That's top three shot stopping performance. Totally different story in the PL. 2018/19 there's a 90% chance an average PL keeper equals or betters his record. 2019/20 there's a 98% chance his goals allowed is equalled or bettered by an average PL keeper. Those are really poor performance levels. The 9 against Leicester is a symptom rather than a driver of his poor 2019/20 record, he's still in the bottom three for keepers with the Leicester data omitted. V good stopper at Championship level, has struggled throughout in the PL. This is interesting- does it mean that the quality of premier league strikes is better than in the Championship (as the Premier League has better players, I would imagine that is so), or does it mean that a similar shot ( no matter what Division it was in) was more likely to be saved by Gunn in his Championship days, than in his Premier League days? I’m not writing Gunn off ( despite the theme running through my posts) but my concern is that once a goalkeeper’s form and confidence disappear , it becomes harder for them to get it back than an outfield player because any mistake they make is usually a goal, further worsening the confidence syndrome, whereas an outfield mistake doesn’t necessarily result in a goal. PL model is built on data from top flight keepers & outfielders & the Championship one uses players from that league. It takes into account the change in quality when you go up a division. You could say Gunn's a v good Championship keeper, but hasn't made the jump to PL levels. Here's the saves/goals from both leagues. Attachment DeletedLooks like you needed to find the corners against him in the lower league, but proportionally he struggled with anything on target in the Prem.
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Post by jeycov on Oct 17, 2020 13:02:04 GMT
Have we heard from him yet?
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Post by samwidge on Oct 17, 2020 13:51:38 GMT
A quick breakdown of the gun-related puns in this thread so far: Shot/shoot: 9Barrel/calibre/bore: 9Gun/tommy/rifle/revolver/Smith&Wesson/Beretta: 9Bullet/powder: 7Trigger/fire/blast: 5Aim/target/sights/wide of the mark: 4Magazine: 1Ballistic: 1A total of 45 gun-related puns. 8% of the thread. It's clear that puns are a huge trigger for you I think you've got the other posters bang to rights though, like fish in a barrel You just need to bite the bullet and accept the posters on here all think they're quite the pistol and will use the Oatcake to push their own short-sighted agenda That said just bite the bullet because eventually it musket better Hopefully I've achieved the aim of the post and got my point blank across Gun Maximum respect for getting a musket in there. Bravo, very good 😄👏👏
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 17, 2020 13:55:37 GMT
Uzi thinks he is this guy.
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Post by mattyd2 on Oct 17, 2020 14:58:01 GMT
Saw his press conference... He had a rye full smile on his face.
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 17, 2020 16:20:11 GMT
Surely all the gun puns must have been done. There can't be any mortar come.
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Post by callas12 on Oct 17, 2020 16:39:06 GMT
He's surely 'Son of a Gun' ?! (What a 90's Dance Tune that was)
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Post by Fred Merger on Oct 17, 2020 16:41:57 GMT
I bet he's keeping his powder dry.💩
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 16:42:47 GMT
He's surely 'Son of a Gun' ?! (What a 90's Dance Tune that was) “He keeps clean sheets for fun, he keeps clean sheets for fun, he keeps clean sheets for fun, he’s Angus Fraser Gunn.......”
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 17, 2020 16:52:51 GMT
I think it's a great loan move and "a real shot in the arm" for the team
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 16:53:54 GMT
With Davies keeping blanks for fun, it doesn't look like Gunn will be getting his eye in any time soon.
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 17, 2020 16:58:48 GMT
With Davies keeping blanks for fun, it doesn't look like Gunn will be getting his eye in any time soon. Not what I have heard.. Apparently he's set his sights on the number 1 shirt!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 17:02:13 GMT
With Davies keeping blanks for fun, it doesn't look like Gunn will be getting his eye in any time soon. Not what I have heard.. Apparently he's set his sights on the number 1 shirt! He had his chance at Southampton though, and he cocked it up.
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Post by scfc75 on Oct 17, 2020 17:06:29 GMT
Have we heard from him yet? I don’t get it?
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Post by andystokey on Oct 17, 2020 22:03:40 GMT
Surely Southampton need a keeper, boy theyre are shit goals to concede today.
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Post by march4 on Oct 18, 2020 11:02:37 GMT
Let’s hope Gunn never needs to play for us in the league because that means Davies stays fit and maintains his good form.
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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Oct 18, 2020 11:32:48 GMT
Up here on the north coast of Scotland the surname Gunn is quite common. Bryan Gunn the former Norwich goalkeeper and father of Angus was born in the nearby small town of Thurso in Caithness. There is a clan Gunn museum in the village of Latheron. During my nearly 50 years up here I have worked with and taught many members of the clan Gunn. One of them was Thomas 'Tommy' Gunn.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 18, 2020 13:39:51 GMT
This is interesting- does it mean that the quality of premier league strikes is better than in the Championship (as the Premier League has better players, I would imagine that is so), or does it mean that a similar shot ( no matter what Division it was in) was more likely to be saved by Gunn in his Championship days, than in his Premier League days? I’m not writing Gunn off ( despite the theme running through my posts) but my concern is that once a goalkeeper’s form and confidence disappear , it becomes harder for them to get it back than an outfield player because any mistake they make is usually a goal, further worsening the confidence syndrome, whereas an outfield mistake doesn’t necessarily result in a goal. PL model is built on data from top flight keepers & outfielders & the Championship one uses players from that league. It takes into account the change in quality when you go up a division. You could say Gunn's a v good Championship keeper, but hasn't made the jump to PL levels. Here's the saves/goals from both leagues. View AttachmentLooks like you needed to find the corners against him in the lower league, but proportionally he struggled with anything on target in the Prem.Why would the difference be so great, Tachyon? I can understand an outfield player (defender or attacker) finding the step up to the Prem being huge. But keeper is a different position and difference between those two graphics seems massive - far bigger than I expected. Is it common for those keepers who make the move from the Championship to the Premier League, to find that their success rate suffers so badly?
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Post by tachyon on Oct 18, 2020 15:18:18 GMT
Why would the difference be so great, Tachyon? I can understand an outfield player (defender or attacker) finding the step up to the Prem being huge. But keeper is a different position and difference between those two graphics seems massive - far bigger than I expected. Is it common for those keepers who make the move from the Championship to the Premier League, to find that their success rate suffers so badly? It's a general trend, although there will be exceptions. (Dean Henderson). Since 2014 80% of the keepers making the jump from Championship to PL have seen their quality adjusted save percentage take a hit in the higher league. On average, their shot stopping performance levels declined by 10%. You see the same in reverse. PL keepers dropping down to the Championship. Performance relative to the group they are now a part of "improves" by 10%. Of course their core ability doesn't really change, it's the jump or drop in class that mostly changes their position in the pecking order. Reason's are a double whammy. You're facing better finishers & the cohort you're being compared against (the other PL keepers) are likely of higher quality. Gunn's most probably a very good Championship keeper, but there's real work to do if he's to be even an average PL one.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 18, 2020 15:22:44 GMT
Up here on the north coast of Scotland the surname Gunn is quite common. Bryan Gunn the former Norwich goalkeeper and father of Angus was born in the nearby small town of Thurso in Caithness. There is a clan Gunn museum in the village of Latheron. During my nearly 50 years up here I have worked with and taught many members of the clan Gunn. One of them was Thomas 'Tommy' Gunn. I'd love to have the name Tommy Gunn. Maybe it's time for a change of username on here
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Post by liathroid on Oct 18, 2020 15:25:05 GMT
Up here on the north coast of Scotland the surname Gunn is quite common. Bryan Gunn the former Norwich goalkeeper and father of Angus was born in the nearby small town of Thurso in Caithness. There is a clan Gunn museum in the village of Latheron. During my nearly 50 years up here I have worked with and taught many members of the clan Gunn. One of them was Thomas 'Tommy' Gunn. I'd love to have the name Tommy Gunn. Maybe it's time for a change of username on here
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Post by samwidge on Oct 18, 2020 18:04:34 GMT
Up here on the north coast of Scotland the surname Gunn is quite common. Bryan Gunn the former Norwich goalkeeper and father of Angus was born in the nearby small town of Thurso in Caithness. There is a clan Gunn museum in the village of Latheron. During my nearly 50 years up here I have worked with and taught many members of the clan Gunn. One of them was Thomas 'Tommy' Gunn. I'd love to have the name Tommy Gunn. Maybe it's time for a change of username on here There was a bloke being interviewed on Midlands today about an hour ago called Dickie Head !! I swear to god ✋🤭🤭
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 18:46:51 GMT
So, should he get a chance in the league cup game? This would be where the second choice would normally fill in, correct? However, it’s late in the competition and may be the only time Davies will ever make it this far. Would seem unreasonable to give Gunn the honour. Would also seem unfair to deny him any first team opportunities.
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Post by walrus on Oct 19, 2020 9:34:16 GMT
Why would the difference be so great, Tachyon? I can understand an outfield player (defender or attacker) finding the step up to the Prem being huge. But keeper is a different position and difference between those two graphics seems massive - far bigger than I expected. Is it common for those keepers who make the move from the Championship to the Premier League, to find that their success rate suffers so badly? It's a general trend, although there will be exceptions. (Dean Henderson). Since 2014 80% of the keepers making the jump from Championship to PL have seen their quality adjusted save percentage take a hit in the higher league. On average, their shot stopping performance levels declined by 10%. You see the same in reverse. PL keepers dropping down to the Championship. Performance relative to the group they are now a part of "improves" by 10%. Of course their core ability doesn't really change, it's the jump or drop in class that mostly changes their position in the pecking order. Reason's are a double whammy. You're facing better finishers & the cohort you're being compared against (the other PL keepers) are likely of higher quality. Gunn's most probably a very good Championship keeper, but there's real work to do if he's to be even an average PL one. Tachyon, is there any data on what a typical effort on goal is across the PL and Championship? For example, does either see significantly more shots from range or headed efforts?
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Post by markby on Oct 19, 2020 11:27:41 GMT
Have we heard from him yet? I thought I heard a report...
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Oct 19, 2020 11:52:45 GMT
Have we heard from him yet? Expect him to shoot his mouth off soon.
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 19, 2020 12:11:35 GMT
A quick breakdown of the gun-related puns in this thread so far: Shot/shoot: 9Barrel/calibre/bore: 9Gun/tommy/rifle/revolver/Smith&Wesson/Beretta: 9Bullet/powder: 7Trigger/fire/blast: 5Aim/target/sights/wide of the mark: 4Magazine: 1Ballistic: 1A total of 45 gun-related puns. 8% of the thread. It's clear that puns are a huge trigger for you I think you've got the other posters bang to rights though, like fish in a barrel You just need to bite the bullet and accept the posters on here all think they're quite the pistol and will use the Oatcake to push their own short-sighted agenda. That said just bite the bullet because eventually it musket better Hopefully I've achieved the aim of the post and got my point blank across Gun I think we missed my post of Sept 20th: "I think the Mirror transfer report is a shot in the dark."
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 19, 2020 13:57:22 GMT
It's clear that puns are a huge trigger for you I think you've got the other posters bang to rights though, like fish in a barrel You just need to bite the bullet and accept the posters on here all think they're quite the pistol and will use the Oatcake to push their own short-sighted agenda. That said just bite the bullet because eventually it musket better Hopefully I've achieved the aim of the post and got my point blank across Gun I think we missed my post of Sept 20th: "I think the Mirror transfer report is a shot in the dark." You were counted
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Post by a on Oct 19, 2020 15:04:17 GMT
This is interesting- does it mean that the quality of premier league strikes is better than in the Championship (as the Premier League has better players, I would imagine that is so), or does it mean that a similar shot ( no matter what Division it was in) was more likely to be saved by Gunn in his Championship days, than in his Premier League days? I’m not writing Gunn off ( despite the theme running through my posts) but my concern is that once a goalkeeper’s form and confidence disappear , it becomes harder for them to get it back than an outfield player because any mistake they make is usually a goal, further worsening the confidence syndrome, whereas an outfield mistake doesn’t necessarily result in a goal. PL model is built on data from top flight keepers & outfielders & the Championship one uses players from that league. It takes into account the change in quality when you go up a division. You could say Gunn's a v good Championship keeper, but hasn't made the jump to PL levels. Here's the saves/goals from both leagues. View AttachmentLooks like you needed to find the corners against him in the lower league, but proportionally he struggled with anything on target in the Prem. Christ did he concede circa 50 goals in the championship?? Edit: 60 goals for Norwich. Doesn’t that seem a lot?
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