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Post by Dutchpeter on Mar 9, 2020 21:25:27 GMT
The early months of 1985 were absolutely dreadful. The Bradford fire as mentioned. The Birmingham-Leeds riot on the same day resulted in a fatality, if you view the trouble on YouTube the scale is just staggering. We had the Luton-Millwall incident around the same time, followed by Heysel later in the season. Anyone who attended the Victoria Ground could witness fighting on the terracing regularly. It’s hard to believe we resorted to fences, but who do we blame, beleaguered football clubs or hooligans?
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Post by wrighter on Mar 9, 2020 22:30:24 GMT
The saddest thing about Burnden, Bradford, ibrox and others of that time is that they are pretty much forgotten by the media and public outside of those clubs, fans and families who still remember and still pay their respects. Hillsborough on the other hand is still wheeled out every year with full media coverage. It was a devastating and sad event and justice seemed to have prevailed, but to forget the others is unforgivable. My thoughts entirely, very well said fella
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Post by thfc67 on Mar 9, 2020 23:28:48 GMT
The early months of 1985 were absolutely dreadful. The Bradford fire as mentioned. The Birmingham-Leeds riot on the same day resulted in a fatality, if you view the trouble on YouTube the scale is just staggering. We had the Luton-Millwall incident around the same time, followed by Heysel later in the season. Anyone who attended the Victoria Ground could witness fighting on the terracing regularly. It’s hard to believe we resorted to fences, but who do we blame, beleaguered football clubs or hooligans? What has the Bradford fire got to do with "hooligans"? Also, fences were erected to stop pitch invasions, which over 95% of the time were nothing to do with "hooligans".
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Post by Dutchpeter on Mar 10, 2020 0:50:38 GMT
The early months of 1985 were absolutely dreadful. The Bradford fire as mentioned. The Birmingham-Leeds riot on the same day resulted in a fatality, if you view the trouble on YouTube the scale is just staggering. We had the Luton-Millwall incident around the same time, followed by Heysel later in the season. Anyone who attended the Victoria Ground could witness fighting on the terracing regularly. It’s hard to believe we resorted to fences, but who do we blame, beleaguered football clubs or hooligans? What has the Bradford fire got to do with "hooligans"? Also, fences were erected to stop pitch invasions, which over 95% of the time were nothing to do with "hooligans". I was reflecting on the atmosphere and events related to football in early 1985 and the feeling that it was a dreadful time for football supporters, and I’m in no way comparing the Bradford fire with hooliganism. Easy to see that if you read the post. If you think fences were erected (wrongly) for reasons unrelated to hooliganism and a flawed vision of crowd control then I can’t agree with you.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Mar 10, 2020 1:41:38 GMT
The early months of 1985 were absolutely dreadful. The Bradford fire as mentioned. The Birmingham-Leeds riot on the same day resulted in a fatality, if you view the trouble on YouTube the scale is just staggering. We had the Luton-Millwall incident around the same time, followed by Heysel later in the season. Anyone who attended the Victoria Ground could witness fighting on the terracing regularly. It’s hard to believe we resorted to fences, but who do we blame, beleaguered football clubs or hooligans? What has the Bradford fire got to do with "hooligans"? Also, fences were erected to stop pitch invasions, which over 95% of the time were nothing to do with "hooligans". Early 1985
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Post by nott1 on Mar 10, 2020 11:31:37 GMT
And still people want to stand! How is this anything to do with standing? It's an issue of crowd control. Even if we rebuild old-school style terraces (something I think should happen btw, safe-standing is a compromise that football supporters who want to stand shouldn't have to make) something like this could never happen again with modern practises and technologies. It's similar to Hillsborough in as much as the terraces are the scapegoats for other issues. Blaming this on terracing would be as nonsensical as blaming the bradford fire on terracing... Your 1 man crusade against standing gets more boring as the years roll by. Christ, you looked at my post from two years ago? I may have changed my mind after all this time as far as you know?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 12:10:17 GMT
How is this anything to do with standing? It's an issue of crowd control. Even if we rebuild old-school style terraces (something I think should happen btw, safe-standing is a compromise that football supporters who want to stand shouldn't have to make) something like this could never happen again with modern practises and technologies. It's similar to Hillsborough in as much as the terraces are the scapegoats for other issues. Blaming this on terracing would be as nonsensical as blaming the bradford fire on terracing... Your 1 man crusade against standing gets more boring as the years roll by. Christ, you looked at my post from two years ago? I may have changed my mind after all this time as far as you know? No I just remember. Whenever the issue gets raised you are always against it. That's your right of course, but I don't think this thread is the right place to crowbar in a pop at terracing.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 10, 2020 17:16:05 GMT
Christ, you looked at my post from two years ago? I may have changed my mind after all this time as far as you know? No I just remember. Whenever the issue gets raised you are always against it. That's your right of course, but I don't think this thread is the right place to crowbar in a pop at terracing. Never going to happen in the Prem. is it. How long have people been campaigning for it? All that shoulder to shoulder stuff, corona whatsit will spread very quickly!
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