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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 12:24:11 GMT
Wimmer Imbula Berahino Fletcher
All shit signings and have damaged the club in more than one way, the Hughes legacy Welsh twat. Not forgetting keep giving Ireland contract after contract when he only plays 2 games every 4 years. Throwing money down the drain, all Hughes' fault. Great player, technical ability is superb and likable, and tore us apart when we played man city about 6 years ago, but in stoke's current climate, not feasible.
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Post by superheroantonius on Feb 27, 2018 12:27:10 GMT
Wimmer Imbula Berahino Fletcher
All shit signings and have damaged the club in more than one way, the Hughes legacy Welsh twat. Not forgetting keep giving Ireland contract after contract when he only plays 2 games every 4 years. Throwing money down the drain, all Hughes' fault. Great player, technical ability is superb and likable, and tore us apart when we played man city about 6 years ago, but in stoke's current climate, not feasible. Yep...someone else said hughes has left stoke the same legacy he left qpr... And that is true
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 27, 2018 12:34:24 GMT
Wimmer Imbula Berahino Fletcher
All shit signings and have damaged the club in more than one way, the Hughes legacy Welsh twat. Not forgetting keep giving Ireland contract after contract when he only plays 2 games every 4 years. Throwing money down the drain, all Hughes' fault. Great player, technical ability is superb and likable, and tore us apart when we played man city about 6 years ago, but in stoke's current climate, not feasible. How could I have neglected Glenda Johnson another fcuk up signing by three ninth place finishes Mark.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 27, 2018 12:34:58 GMT
Could you explain how you sell (or terminate the contracts of) Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula? How do you sell them given the wages they are on? You could try to give them away but the "buying" club would have to find their wages (which could top £2.5 million per year for each player) for the life of the existing contract - unless either the player accepts a big wage cut or Stoke pay the difference between our wages and the wages the new club are prepared to pay. Much the same applies to terminating the contracts. You can terminate the contract of any player but only if you agree to pay him the wages he will be due until the end of his contract. That is the problem with these 3 horror signings. The £50 million we paid for them (less any fees we might get if we sell them) does NOT represent the full extent of our potential losses. Whatever wages remain outstanding on their contracts is also a potential loss to the club - less any wages a new club is prepared to pay. I dont think you can sell them I think you have to buy out there are contracts at a huge loss. Pay all their wages until the contract ends and be rid of them It may come to that but, if it does, the losses the club would incur would be huge - even relative to the income generated by being members of the Premier League - which is not certain, of course! I expect it would hobble our ability to pay competitive wages for the next 4 or 5 years, limit our activity in the transfer market for the same length of time and would probably incur Financial Fair Play penalties - even though the FFP rules seem to be applied for some clubs and not others.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 12:37:55 GMT
I don't hate any of our players at all. I don't like the way Crouch, Fletcher, Johnson or Adam play football and wish they didn't still play for us but I can't say I hate them.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 12:39:12 GMT
Wimmer Imbula Berahino Fletcher
All shit signings and have damaged the club in more than one way, the Hughes legacy Welsh twat. Not forgetting keep giving Ireland contract after contract when he only plays 2 games every 4 years. Throwing money down the drain, all Hughes' fault. Great player, technical ability is superb and likable, and tore us apart when we played man city about 6 years ago, but in stoke's current climate, not feasible. Ireland has been given a year long contract extension. Hardly substantial is it.
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 27, 2018 12:39:32 GMT
The last time Saido Berahino scored a goal:
- David Cameron was still Prime Minister - Barack Obama was still President - Alan Pardew was still Palace manager
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 12:40:28 GMT
Not forgetting keep giving Ireland contract after contract when he only plays 2 games every 4 years. Throwing money down the drain, all Hughes' fault. Great player, technical ability is superb and likable, and tore us apart when we played man city about 6 years ago, but in stoke's current climate, not feasible. How could I have neglected Glenda Johnson another fcuk up signing by three ninth place finishes Mark. I forgot Johnson as well, not sure how. Then lets Bojan and Joselu go. Amazing really.
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 12:41:55 GMT
Not forgetting keep giving Ireland contract after contract when he only plays 2 games every 4 years. Throwing money down the drain, all Hughes' fault. Great player, technical ability is superb and likable, and tore us apart when we played man city about 6 years ago, but in stoke's current climate, not feasible. Ireland has been given a year long contract extension. Hardly substantial is it. Its absolutely ludicrous considering he's played 2 games in about 4 years. PS Hi mark
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 12:48:22 GMT
Ireland has been given a year long contract extension. Hardly substantial is it. Its absolutely ludicrous considering he's played 2 games in about 4 years. PS Hi mark It was a goodwill gesture more than anything. Does your brain lack any form of functionality that you can't see that?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 27, 2018 12:50:31 GMT
Don't think anyone should dislike our own players..... "Annoyance" and "frustration" are two words that spring to mind with some of them, but not enough to dislike them!!!
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 12:51:11 GMT
Its absolutely ludicrous considering he's played 2 games in about 4 years. PS Hi mark It was a goodwill gesture more than anything. Does your brain lack any form of functionality that you can't see that? Fucking Goodwill gesture when were in a relegation scrap! I guess his 50K a week for the last 4 years whilst he has been injured throughout isn't good enough? Absolutely beggars belief, more fool you for thinking that's ok.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 27, 2018 12:58:22 GMT
Its absolutely ludicrous considering he's played 2 games in about 4 years. PS Hi mark It was a goodwill gesture more than anything. Does your brain lack any form of functionality that you can't see that? What are we a feckin charity ?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 27, 2018 14:12:28 GMT
Couldn’t give a shit really as long as they give their all for the badge on their shirt and represent our great club as you would expect. It’s funny though on the 3/4 occasions when I’ve been close to the players (when sons were mascots etc) some of the players who were lauded as being integral to the team spirit in the dressing room were out and out miserable pricks to the kids who were excited about meeting their idols, namely Bojan, Whelan and Walters on at least a couple of occasions. Whereas those criticised for their attitude at times, the likes of Arnautovic, Choupo Moting and Wollscheid were absolutely brilliant and couldn’t do enough....... Funnily enough I could never take to Whelan. Always seemed to be having a go at someone while being distinctly average (I know he's worshipped on here, but still). My mate used to take his sons to see Stoke training, and he reckoned Andy Griffin was vile, but Huth and Fuller were really welcoming. Out of the current crop there's only really Wimmer that pisses me off. Most of the others seem decent enough, especially Crouch, Pieters and Allen.
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Post by stokeyank on Feb 27, 2018 14:31:07 GMT
Don't think anyone should dislike our own players..... "Annoyance" and "frustration" are two words that spring to mind with some of them, but not enough to dislike them!!! I do dislike a few of our players (Imbula, Wimmer, Chupo) that they do not seem to apply themselves considering the talent they have. Many who may not have those abilities and would kill for the opportunity. Wasting that with lack of caring, work or attitude pisses me off to no end. That goes for anyone in any profession though. That said I do not hate any of them. Don't know them so that is a step much to far in my opinion.
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Feb 27, 2018 14:45:22 GMT
Can’t stand Berahino, he’s an absolute fraud.
Choupo and Butland I find irritating. Jack with his cocky attitude which has led to dreadful kicking and errors like the one on Saturday this season and Choupo could be infinitely better if he applied himself and engaged his brain just a little bit.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 14:47:45 GMT
It was a goodwill gesture more than anything. Does your brain lack any form of functionality that you can't see that? What are we a feckin charity ? No. But we have a responsibility to look after our players. It is exactly like if you got injured at work - you would want compensation wouldn't you? The players are just employees of the club and just because they earn a lot of money, it doesn't mean they don't have the right to be looked after properly by their employers.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 14:51:17 GMT
It was a goodwill gesture more than anything. Does your brain lack any form of functionality that you can't see that? Fucking Goodwill gesture when were in a relegation scrap! I guess his 50K a week for the last 4 years whilst he has been injured throughout isn't good enough? Absolutely beggars belief, more fool you for thinking that's ok. I highly doubt he was ever on 50k a week at Stoke. And he supposedly took a huge pay cut to sign his new contract. The club can afford to pay 15k a week for one year whilst a player recovers from his injury. And how is the club's predicament at all relevant? Are you saying if we were comfortably in the top half of the table you would give him the contract happily? Seems massively unfair.
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 14:56:36 GMT
Fucking Goodwill gesture when were in a relegation scrap! I guess his 50K a week for the last 4 years whilst he has been injured throughout isn't good enough? Absolutely beggars belief, more fool you for thinking that's ok. I highly doubt he was ever on 50k a week at Stoke. And he supposedly took a huge pay cut to sign his new contract. The club can afford to pay 15k a week for one year whilst a player recovers from his injury. And how is the club's predicament at all relevant? Are you saying if we were comfortably in the top half of the table you would give him the contract happily? Seems massively unfair. That is correct. We can afford passengers mid table, not in a relegation scrap. All in all he shouldn't of had a contract renewal. That's business, its not unfair.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 27, 2018 15:10:32 GMT
What are we a feckin charity ? No. But we have a responsibility to look after our players. It is exactly like if you got injured at work - you would want compensation wouldn't you? The players are just employees of the club and just because they earn a lot of money, it doesn't mean they don't have the right to be looked after properly by their employers. Many people don't get paid if they are off injured at work, you have to claim compensation via legal means, people also tend to get the sack if they don't meet the requirements of the job in which case Berahino would have been down the road a long time ago. Why are these wasters any different ?
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 15:12:53 GMT
I highly doubt he was ever on 50k a week at Stoke. And he supposedly took a huge pay cut to sign his new contract. The club can afford to pay 15k a week for one year whilst a player recovers from his injury. And how is the club's predicament at all relevant? Are you saying if we were comfortably in the top half of the table you would give him the contract happily? Seems massively unfair. That is correct. We can afford passengers mid table, not in a relegation scrap. All in all he shouldn't of had a contract renewal. That's business, its not unfair. I could understand if there was somebody else we could give the squad space too but there isn't. And he is no worse than half a dozen of the other players we have in our squad.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 15:14:34 GMT
No. But we have a responsibility to look after our players. It is exactly like if you got injured at work - you would want compensation wouldn't you? The players are just employees of the club and just because they earn a lot of money, it doesn't mean they don't have the right to be looked after properly by their employers. Many people don't get paid if they are off injured at work, you have to claim compensation via legal means, people also tend to get the sack if they don't meet the requirements of the job in which case Berahino would have been down the road a long time ago. Why are these wasters any different ? You are obsessed with Berahino! Just fuck off, I am fed up of arguing with you.
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 15:22:22 GMT
Many people don't get paid if they are off injured at work, you have to claim compensation via legal means, people also tend to get the sack if they don't meet the requirements of the job in which case Berahino would have been down the road a long time ago. Why are these wasters any different ? You are obsessed with Berahino! Just fuck off, I am fed up of arguing with you. He's got a point though, hasn't he? Berahino is our highest earner on 80K a week. Its out right disgusting.
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Post by fradleyhomes on Feb 27, 2018 15:26:06 GMT
I'll be honest there are very few in our squad who I actually like and can relate to; Crouch,Shawcross,Allen,Adam.
I have a particular dislike for Butland, Choupo-Mouting,Cameron and Berahino.
The rest I couldn't care less about the same way they don't care about us or the club.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 27, 2018 15:28:30 GMT
I'll be honest there are very few in our squad who I actually like and can relate to; Crouch,Shawcross,Allen,Adam. I have a particular dislike for Butland, Choupo-Mouting,Cameron and Berahino. The rest I couldn't care less about the same way they don't care about us or the club. You think Adam cares about the club? After that display last week at Leicester and his demonstration of "passion" in getting to that rebound v Brighton?
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 15:46:43 GMT
I'll be honest there are very few in our squad who I actually like and can relate to; Crouch,Shawcross,Allen,Adam. I have a particular dislike for Butland, Choupo-Mouting,Cameron and Berahino. The rest I couldn't care less about the same way they don't care about us or the club. You think Adam cares about the club? After that display last week at Leicester and his demonstration of "passion" in getting to that rebound v Brighton? Adam doesn't give a fuck
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 27, 2018 16:00:02 GMT
Very few modern Premier League footballers are likeable - all Johnny Big Bollocks, 50k a week plus, totally removed from the real world, pampered and cosseted wankers. This applies to every club, not just us.
Which of our players would you like to go down the pub for a beer with? Ryan, Joe maybe?
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 27, 2018 16:18:48 GMT
You are obsessed with Berahino! Just fuck off, I am fed up of arguing with you. He's got a point though, hasn't he? Berahino is our highest earner on 80K a week. Its out right disgusting. Unless you can prove that he earns 80k a week when the wage cap is 70k, then I don't buy it. Can you tell me what Crouch does to justify 30k a week (at a guess)? Adam for 30k? Johnson 40k? If given the choice between 70k for Berahino or 70k for Adam and Johnson, then Saido every time.
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Post by thegift on Feb 27, 2018 16:24:33 GMT
He's got a point though, hasn't he? Berahino is our highest earner on 80K a week. Its out right disgusting. Unless you can prove that he earns 80k a week when the wage cap is 70k, then I don't buy it. Can you tell me what Crouch does to justify 30k a week (at a guess)? Adam for 30k? Johnson 40k? If given the choice between 70k for Berahino or 70k for Adam and Johnson, then Saido every time. Wages
None of them should be at the club. Berahino, Johnson or Adam. That boils down to one person. Mark Hughes
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Feb 27, 2018 16:25:52 GMT
He's got a point though, hasn't he? Berahino is our highest earner on 80K a week. Its out right disgusting. Unless you can prove that he earns 80k a week when the wage cap is 70k, then I don't buy it. Can you tell me what Crouch does to justify 30k a week (at a guess)? Adam for 30k? Johnson 40k? If given the choice between 70k for Berahino or 70k for Adam and Johnson, then Saido every time. somewhat a straw man argument
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