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Jese
Feb 11, 2018 0:35:58 GMT
Post by armitagestokie on Feb 11, 2018 0:35:58 GMT
I'm sure Jese wanted to take the peno so he could score, dedicate the goal to his son and probably lift his shirt to reveal a photo or message to his little one. We always argue with pens remember the Saido one, another cock up!!!
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Jese
Feb 11, 2018 0:42:34 GMT
Post by darksideofthemoon on Feb 11, 2018 0:42:34 GMT
I thought we came to life when he came on, which surprised me because he’s generally looked lost when I’ve seen him previously (I missed the Arsenal game). The penalty bollocks totally overrides everything though. Completely self serving and massively unprofessional. Frankly, the way he acted was borderline mentally unstable. We owe him nothing. It had to be Charlie or Shaq taking the penalty. Shaq should have been given the ball by the CAPT Shawcross quite why he felt he couldn’t sort out Jesé and Adam and use his common sense and give the ball to Shaq after all he’d already scored one and he’s adept at getting the ball in the net where the keeper can’t reach it ! Agree.....Shawcross (as Captain) should have made the decision and made it QUICKLY. Shaq, with his ability (and having the confidence after having scored already), should have stepped up. I like Jese, and I thought we were MUCH improved after the half-time changes and his introduction to the game.......but THAT hissy fit was just shameful!! The ONLY possible 'excuse' I can think of is that some aspects of his personal life are still having an effect on him; which, by the way, is really NOT acceptable. The team psychologist should have a word, I think That said, he needs to be part of our team IF we're going to get out of the shit-hole we're in; that applies to Affellay, Campbell and Ireland too, as far as I'm concerned; I'm afraid Fletcher is simply past it - just my opinion, like
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Post by generationex on Feb 11, 2018 1:02:12 GMT
I'm sure Jese wanted to take the peno so he could score, dedicate the goal to his son and probably lift his shirt to reveal a photo or message to his little one. We always argue with pens remember the Saido one, another cock up!!! Maybe. That’s why it was one of the most selfish acts I’ve seen in 40 years of watching Stoke City. Unless he apologises he should leave tomorrow.
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Post by Davef on Feb 11, 2018 1:10:25 GMT
Shaq should have been given the ball by the CAPT Shawcross quite why he felt he couldn’t sort out Jesé and Adam and use his common sense and give the ball to Shaq after all he’d already scored one and he’s adept at getting the ball in the net where the keeper can’t reach it ! Agree.....Shawcross (as Captain) should have made the decision and made it QUICKLY. Shaq, with his ability (and having the confidence after having scored already), should have stepped up. I like Jese, and I thought we were MUCH improved after the half-time changes and his introduction to the game.......but THAT hissy fit was just shameful!! The ONLY possible 'excuse' I can think of is that some aspects of his personal life are still having an effect on him; which, by the way, is really NOT acceptable. The team psychologist should have a word, I think That said, he needs to be part of our team IF we're going to get out of the shit-hole we're in; that applies to Affellay, Campbell and Ireland too, as far as I'm concerned; I'm afraid Fletcher is simply past it - just my opinion, like Why is Ryan Shawcross getting shit over this? This bollocks has been going on since Hoefkens and Higginbotham were arguing over who should take a penalty over ten years ago. It's down to the managers (and there's been three of them since then) to get this crap sorted out. I used to play in a pretty shite Sunday league team, but I knew exactly who was going to take a pen if we got one. Not this fucking rabble though. They need to sort themselves out.
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Post by tuum on Feb 11, 2018 1:14:10 GMT
I thought we came to life when he came on, which surprised me because he’s generally looked lost when I’ve seen him previously (I missed the Arsenal game). The penalty bollocks totally overrides everything though. Completely self serving and massively unprofessional. Frankly, the way he acted was borderline mentally unstable. We owe him nothing. It had to be Charlie or Shaq taking the penalty. Shaq should have been given the ball by the CAPT Shawcross quite why he felt he couldn’t sort out Jesé and Adam and use his common sense and give the ball to Shaq after all he’d already scored one and he’s adept at getting the ball in the net where the keeper can’t reach it ! Had Shaq ever taken a penalty previously? I know Adam had and I don't recall him missing. It was the right call to give the ball to Adam. It just amazes me that we don't delegate penalty takers before we kick off. Both Hughes and Pulis have said they leave it up to the players on the pitch. Nonsense really. All managers,except Lou,seem obsessed by the details in coaching and tactics. It seems daft that they ignore a simple detail such as naming the penalty takers before kick off.
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Post by generationex on Feb 11, 2018 1:17:42 GMT
They knew who was taking the penalty - it was always Adam. Jese thought he was Jonny big bollocks from big bollocks PSG.
He didn’t even win the penalty because it wasn’t one.
If we go down I hope it’s this selfish twat that goes down in stoke city infamy and not Adam.
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Jese
Feb 11, 2018 1:20:21 GMT
Post by JoeinOz on Feb 11, 2018 1:20:21 GMT
It's always embarrassment when players bicker about who takes pennos. In these circumstances it's just ridiculous
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 11, 2018 1:22:56 GMT
Both need fuckin off at the end of the season, Jese AND Choupo-Moting, neither give a fuck about our predicament!!!
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Jese
Feb 11, 2018 1:27:09 GMT
Post by tuum on Feb 11, 2018 1:27:09 GMT
For me Shaq ability and goalscoring record says if he’s on the pitch he takes the penalty if Shawcross is man enough to be capt and tells a player he’s making the executive decision anyway as your capt you accept it end of its different if another player says he’s taking it, if the capt tells you you are or aren’t taking it you have to respect the decision. I can’t see how Adam is the dedicated penalty taker anyway as he hardly ever starts a game! Presumably he takes them if he’s on the pitch. There’s no way Shawcross should be attempting to take the ball off Adam. He needed to calm a situation down, not create one. Shawcross did his bit. He was seen having a word with Jese. I don't see that Shawcross did much wrong here. While I am here. It was a very soft penalty award in the first place. I haven't seen it again but it looked like one of those 'entitled to go down'situations or maybe just a blatant con. Very soft. I don't think I would have been too happy if we had been on the receiving end. I don't blame Adam for missing the pen..it was on target, the goalie was a yard off his line etc. But he looked like he wss trudging through sludge for the rebound...could have done better. Interesting to see how much the clearing defender had encroached before Charlie struck the penalty.
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Post by Gods on Feb 11, 2018 1:28:52 GMT
I'm sure Jese wanted to take the peno so he could score, dedicate the goal to his son and probably lift his shirt to reveal a photo or message to his little one. We always argue with pens remember the Saido one, another cock up!!! The same thought occurred to me.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 11, 2018 2:22:00 GMT
Shaq should have been given the ball by the CAPT Shawcross quite why he felt he couldn’t sort out Jesé and Adam and use his common sense and give the ball to Shaq after all he’d already scored one and he’s adept at getting the ball in the net where the keeper can’t reach it ! Agree.....Shawcross (as Captain) should have made the decision and made it QUICKLY. Shaq, with his ability (and having the confidence after having scored already), should have stepped up. I like Jese, and I thought we were MUCH improved after the half-time changes and his introduction to the game.......but THAT hissy fit was just shameful!! The ONLY possible 'excuse' I can think of is that some aspects of his personal life are still having an effect on him; which, by the way, is really NOT acceptable. The team psychologist should have a word, I think That said, he needs to be part of our team IF we're going to get out of the shit-hole we're in; that applies to Affellay, Campbell and Ireland too, as far as I'm concerned; I'm afraid Fletcher is simply past it - just my opinion, like Shawcross stepped in straight away!!
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Jese
Feb 11, 2018 7:44:43 GMT
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Post by maliciousdamage on Feb 11, 2018 7:44:43 GMT
Agree.....Shawcross (as Captain) should have made the decision and made it QUICKLY. Shaq, with his ability (and having the confidence after having scored already), should have stepped up. I like Jese, and I thought we were MUCH improved after the half-time changes and his introduction to the game.......but THAT hissy fit was just shameful!! The ONLY possible 'excuse' I can think of is that some aspects of his personal life are still having an effect on him; which, by the way, is really NOT acceptable. The team psychologist should have a word, I think That said, he needs to be part of our team IF we're going to get out of the shit-hole we're in; that applies to Affellay, Campbell and Ireland too, as far as I'm concerned; I'm afraid Fletcher is simply past it - just my opinion, like Shawcross stepped in straight away!! If you’re stepping in then TAKE control unless he did tell Adam to take it but if he says to Adam “give me the ball I’ll sort it” then takes a couple of steps and returns the ball to who he thinks should take it it diffuses the argument of course it just looks like a disorganised mess now and no one is actually ‘thinking’ as a team rather just trying to be a hero! And I thought Lambert had bought some discipline and organisation!!!!
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Post by Absolution on Feb 11, 2018 9:42:33 GMT
Shawcross stepped in straight away!! If you’re stepping in then TAKE control unless he did tell Adam to take it but if he says to Adam “give me the ball I’ll sort it” then takes a couple of steps and returns the ball to who he thinks should take it it diffuses the argument of course it just looks like a disorganised mess now and no one is actually ‘thinking’ as a team rather just trying to be a hero! And I thought Lambert had bought some discipline and organisation!!!! He took control. There was only one situation that needed sorting, and that was to calm down the unstable person who was having a 3-year olds temper tantrum. There was nothing else to sort.
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Post by andystokey on Feb 11, 2018 10:12:27 GMT
Despite all the rhetoric we created more chances when Adam came on than in the rest of the match.
Adam has never missed a penalty for Stoke before, he always steps up as a senior pro to do so (Swansea away last term) It wasn't a bad penalty and He was definitely fouled for the rebound.
I understand all the criticism of Adam, his fitness and so on. But the simple facts are.
When on the pitch he was always going to step up. It's not "makers takers" down the red rec. This is a relegation battle. He is a fully paid up Stoke player and Jese is a loanee in his first 30mins back after being nowhere near the group until the last two weeks.
Jese just made himself and us look smalltime. Perhaps Shaq might have scored but let's not forget Arnie missed the penalty before Berahino.
Yes Adam missed but he wasn't to blame for the 88minutes of huff and puff and lack of guile before that or the dreadful 90minutes vs Watford or the abject last 30minutes at Bournemouth. This team looked relegation candidates vs Bournemouth at home last year as and have been doing nothing to alleviate that impression ever since.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 11, 2018 10:41:48 GMT
Did well after coming on, but what a childish and selfish behaviour! Was really ashamed as a fan when I saw his reaction, get rid!
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Jese
Feb 11, 2018 12:59:32 GMT
Post by forwhatitsworth on Feb 11, 2018 12:59:32 GMT
Ok, I'm going to try and be balanced. When Jese come on I thought we looked more dangerous and more creative. It was a positive change. He did ok. Hindsight is a wonderful thing so those saying Shaq or Jese would of scored but they don't really know that. For me if Adam is the clubs pen taker then he's the pen taker. Regardless of what photo Jese may or may not of had under his shirt Adam is the clubs pen taker. Period! Jese needs to remember that he is yet to do a single thing for this club but the club have backed and supported him through the shit hand he's been dealt with his son. He owes us and we don't owe him a single thing. His to quote Ryan "childish behaviour" was a fucking embarrassment. I hope the team put this behind them and Jese continues to come on and pay us back. But I think it was very brave and degrading towards Jese for Shawcross to call him childish. Maybe Ryan wants him gone. Cant see Jese reacting well to that.
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Jese
Feb 11, 2018 13:01:28 GMT
Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 11, 2018 13:01:28 GMT
Either way you look at it a professional footballer should not be missing a free shot from 12 yards.
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Jese
Feb 11, 2018 13:02:50 GMT
Post by forwhatitsworth on Feb 11, 2018 13:02:50 GMT
Either way you look at it a professional footballer should not be missing a free shot from 12 yards. The best players in the world have all missed penalties. Messi, Ronaldo et al.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 11, 2018 13:03:32 GMT
Either way you look at it a professional footballer should not be missing a free shot from 12 yards. The best players in the world have all missed penalties. Messi, Ronaldo et al. Yeah, they shouldn't though.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 11, 2018 15:20:24 GMT
Either way you look at it a professional footballer should not be missing a free shot from 12 yards. The shot was saved
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Post by jeycov on Feb 11, 2018 15:23:41 GMT
We’re all disappointed that the penalty was saved Had Charlie ( or anyone else) blasted the ball into row Z or even hit the post / crossbar then some criticism would be justified
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Jese
Feb 11, 2018 15:45:08 GMT
Post by vahl on Feb 11, 2018 15:45:08 GMT
Despite all the rhetoric we created more chances when Adam came on than in the rest of the match. Adam has never missed a penalty for Stoke before, he always steps up as a senior pro to do so (Swansea away last term) It wasn't a bad penalty and He was definitely fouled for the rebound. I understand all the criticism of Adam, his fitness and so on. But the simple facts are. When on the pitch he was always going to step up. It's not "makers takers" down the red rec. This is a relegation battle. He is a fully paid up Stoke player and Jese is a loanee in his first 30mins back after being nowhere near the group until the last two weeks. Jese just made himself and us look smalltime. Perhaps Shaq might have scored but let's not forget Arnie missed the penalty before Berahino. Yes Adam missed but he wasn't to blame for the 88minutes of huff and puff and lack of guile before that or the dreadful 90minutes vs Watford or the abject last 30minutes at Bournemouth. This team looked relegation candidates vs Bournemouth at home last year as and have been doing nothing to alleviate that impression ever since. It was a horrible penalty, how can you not see that? If you put your foot through the ball like Adam always does, you have to at least aim it in to one of the corners. See Alan Shearer, James Beattie, Ricky Lambert etc. 3 of the best penalty takers there has been. If I was the goalkeeper for Brighton, I would have been confident when Adam stepped up too. When the ball is flat out blasted at you, law of averages say it will either hit you or you will save it unless it is hit with so much precision it becomes impossible. Jese has a lot more finesse and probably would have stroked it home with ease. That said, I think Jese was definitely out of order given the situation the club finds itself and being the 90th minute of a must-win match. I reckon he contributed to Adam missing it.
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Jese
Feb 11, 2018 16:22:49 GMT
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Feb 11, 2018 16:22:49 GMT
Despite all the rhetoric we created more chances when Adam came on than in the rest of the match. Adam has never missed a penalty for Stoke before, he always steps up as a senior pro to do so (Swansea away last term) It wasn't a bad penalty and He was definitely fouled for the rebound. I understand all the criticism of Adam, his fitness and so on. But the simple facts are. When on the pitch he was always going to step up. It's not "makers takers" down the red rec. This is a relegation battle. He is a fully paid up Stoke player and Jese is a loanee in his first 30mins back after being nowhere near the group until the last two weeks. Jese just made himself and us look smalltime. Perhaps Shaq might have scored but let's not forget Arnie missed the penalty before Berahino. Yes Adam missed but he wasn't to blame for the 88minutes of huff and puff and lack of guile before that or the dreadful 90minutes vs Watford or the abject last 30minutes at Bournemouth. This team looked relegation candidates vs Bournemouth at home last year as and have been doing nothing to alleviate that impression ever since. It was a horrible penalty, how can you not see that? If you put your foot through the ball like Adam always does, you have to at least aim it in to one of the corners. See Alan Shearer, James Beattie, Ricky Lambert etc. 3 of the best penalty takers there has been. If I was the goalkeeper for Brighton, I would have been confident when Adam stepped up too. When the ball is flat out blasted at you, law of averages say it will either hit you or you will save it unless it is hit with so much precision it becomes impossible. Jese has a lot more finesse and probably would have stroked it home with ease. That said, I think Jese was definitely out of order given the situation the club finds itself and being the 90th minute of a must-win match. I reckon he contributed to Adam missing it. I don't agree that it was a horrible penalty but the rest yes. Adam does not deserve slating though and much of the reason is because of Jese's behaviour. We'd all be gutted had he misses but now people are guessing what Jese would have done. This selfish little prick who has done fuck all for us to date. I'm constantly astonished how easy some fans turn on players who have done plenty for our club over the years like Charlie and Ryan and yet give a massive pass to wankers who have been here for 2 minutes and clearly only care about themselves and not the club.
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