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Post by george2again on Jan 15, 2018 23:23:40 GMT
We have a decent right back now.
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Jan 15, 2018 23:35:50 GMT
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Post by pottermouth on Jan 15, 2018 23:35:50 GMT
How does this guy escape criticism no way should lukaku be able to score i would send him back if we could and get a proper defender...is huth fit again?? He’s one of the main reasons we’ve conceded 50 goals. He’s no top 6 player.
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Jan 15, 2018 23:53:17 GMT
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Post by Groundhog Day on Jan 15, 2018 23:53:17 GMT
How does this guy escape criticism no way should lukaku be able to score i would send him back if we could and get a proper defender...is huth fit again?? He’s one of the main reasons we’ve conceded 50 goals. He’s no top 6 player. I've singled him out tonight as the weak link. Made no attempt whatsoever to block anything, may as well just give a free shot. Thought he was great but he most definitely is not!
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jan 16, 2018 0:00:53 GMT
You can tell he's a player on loan. Doesn't want to put his foot in and get hurt. None of them do. And that’s the real problem. First goal, no challenge from choupo when he commits to coming inside. Second goal, pussyfooting from wimmer and zouma. Twice Allen failed to stop dangerous breaks by dangling a pathetic leg instead of taking a fucker the fuck out. Tackling, tackling, tackling. It is the very fucking core of our problems. We don’t win them in the middle, allowing us to turn over possession in dangerous areas, and we don’t win them in defence, allowing time and space to aim, connect and fire in good shots on goal. Even off the top of my head, brighton’s First and and Huddersfield goal. Conceded due to outrageously amateurish tackling. There are many many more examples but those are the worst two. And they are 4 points given away.
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Jan 16, 2018 0:41:35 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 16, 2018 0:41:35 GMT
He’s been poor for weeks now He's been poor for months. Nobody wanted to see it though. I would like to see him in a less shambolic team though. He looked fine when he played for Chelsea and when he first came. He's had the defensive side coached out of him by Jim Bowen and Cerys Mathews
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 0:45:20 GMT
Guess there are penalties for not playing him. that's the way loans work nowadays. the less we play, the more we pay!
and he has been poor. people seem to cling on to "chelsea centre half". i do think he is good, but it's easier to look a good player when you're in a good Chelsea side and you do the clearly visible stuff well
But for us, we are under pressure so much more than Chelsea, it's highlighted how much he gets caught out of position, but his pace and physicality saves him a lot of the time
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Post by kustokie on Jan 16, 2018 0:51:01 GMT
How does this guy escape criticism no way should lukaku be able to score i would send him back if we could and get a proper defender...is huth fit again?? I think you’ll find Lukaku out-muscled Whimper not Zouma for the third goal. Let’s face it every player in the team has regressed in the past 12 months or so due to the criminal neglect of the previous manager, coaches and those responsible for fitness.
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Post by cooper67 on Jan 16, 2018 0:53:28 GMT
You can tell he's a player on loan. Doesn't want to put his foot in and get hurt. None of them do. And that’s the real problem. First goal, no challenge from choupo when he commits to coming inside. Second goal, pussyfooting from wimmer and zouma. Twice Allen failed to stop dangerous breaks by dangling a pathetic leg instead of taking a fucker the fuck out. Tackling, tackling, tackling. It is the very fucking core of our problems. We don’t win them in the middle, allowing us to turn over possession in dangerous areas, and we don’t win them in defence, allowing time and space to aim, connect and fire in good shots on goal. Even off the top of my head, brighton’s First and and Huddersfield goal. Conceded due to outrageously amateurish tackling. There are many many more examples but those are the worst two. And they are 4 points given away. Wimmer wasn't even on the pitch for the second goal! Let's get our facts right.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 16, 2018 0:54:05 GMT
Guess there are penalties for not playing him. that's the way loans work nowadays. the less we play, the more we pay! and he has been poor. people seem to cling on to "chelsea centre half". i do think he is good, but it's easier to look a good player when you're in a good Chelsea side and you do the clearly visible stuff well But for us, we are under pressure so much more than Chelsea, it's highlighted how much he gets caught out of position, but his pace and physicality saves him a lot of the time The reverse is also true. It is very hard to look good when you’re covering for the incompetence of others. While we are on the subject, why was Tymon taken off and replaced by Whimper.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 16, 2018 0:55:19 GMT
None of them do. And that’s the real problem. First goal, no challenge from choupo when he commits to coming inside. Second goal, pussyfooting from wimmer and zouma. Twice Allen failed to stop dangerous breaks by dangling a pathetic leg instead of taking a fucker the fuck out. Tackling, tackling, tackling. It is the very fucking core of our problems. We don’t win them in the middle, allowing us to turn over possession in dangerous areas, and we don’t win them in defence, allowing time and space to aim, connect and fire in good shots on goal. Even off the top of my head, brighton’s First and and Huddersfield goal. Conceded due to outrageously amateurish tackling. There are many many more examples but those are the worst two. And they are 4 points given away. Wimmer wasn't even on the pitch for the second goal! Let's get our facts right. True. But let’s face it he wouldn’t have done any better.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 1:10:27 GMT
Guess there are penalties for not playing him. that's the way loans work nowadays. the less we play, the more we pay! and he has been poor. people seem to cling on to "chelsea centre half". i do think he is good, but it's easier to look a good player when you're in a good Chelsea side and you do the clearly visible stuff well But for us, we are under pressure so much more than Chelsea, it's highlighted how much he gets caught out of position, but his pace and physicality saves him a lot of the time The reverse is also true. It is very hard to look good when you’re covering for the incompetence of others. While we are on the subject, why was Tymon taken off and replaced by Whimper. Fair point, but i think he gets pulled out position doing a lot of basic stuff as well, not just covering. Eddie Nie..... said he took a knock on the foot. I'd guess he just just pulled
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Post by NassauDave on Jan 16, 2018 1:26:16 GMT
Since the start of the season he has looked much less confident on the ball, gets caught out of possession and his clearances are woeful.
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Jan 16, 2018 1:36:33 GMT
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Post by hanibal7 on Jan 16, 2018 1:36:33 GMT
I still think, with some proper defensive coaching, he could be pretty good. you better tell Chelsea about coaching then.
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Jan 16, 2018 1:39:37 GMT
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Post by hanibal7 on Jan 16, 2018 1:39:37 GMT
None of them do. And that’s the real problem. First goal, no challenge from choupo when he commits to coming inside. Second goal, pussyfooting from wimmer and zouma. Twice Allen failed to stop dangerous breaks by dangling a pathetic leg instead of taking a fucker the fuck out. Tackling, tackling, tackling. It is the very fucking core of our problems. We don’t win them in the middle, allowing us to turn over possession in dangerous areas, and we don’t win them in defence, allowing time and space to aim, connect and fire in good shots on goal. Even off the top of my head, brighton’s First and and Huddersfield goal. Conceded due to outrageously amateurish tackling. There are many many more examples but those are the worst two. And they are 4 points given away. Wimmer wasn't even on the pitch for the second goal! Let's get our facts right. some shitty numbnuts on here, spouting shit as usual
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Jan 16, 2018 7:30:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 7:30:27 GMT
You can tell he's a player on loan. Doesn't want to put his foot in and get hurt. None of them do. And that’s the real problem. First goal, no challenge from choupo when he commits to coming inside. Second goal, pussyfooting from wimmer and zouma. Twice Allen failed to stop dangerous breaks by dangling a pathetic leg instead of taking a fucker the fuck out. Tackling, tackling, tackling. It is the very fucking core of our problems. We don’t win them in the middle, allowing us to turn over possession in dangerous areas, and we don’t win them in defence, allowing time and space to aim, connect and fire in good shots on goal. Even off the top of my head, brighton’s First and and Huddersfield goal. Conceded due to outrageously amateurish tackling. There are many many more examples but those are the worst two. And they are 4 points given away. Even blaming Wimmer for goals when he's not on the pitch now!
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Jan 16, 2018 7:37:37 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 16, 2018 7:37:37 GMT
His 6 year Chelsea contract was fuck all to do with his ability Will be rented out for £millions for the rest of his contract, making Chelsea a lot of money.
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Jan 16, 2018 7:51:39 GMT
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Post by dazzler on Jan 16, 2018 7:51:39 GMT
I’d play him in midfield. Has energy and can pick a pass. Could drive us forward next to a holding mid and if he makes a mistake which he is prone to he has cover behind
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Jan 16, 2018 7:58:43 GMT
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Post by stantheman on Jan 16, 2018 7:58:43 GMT
I think hes another average player, who has had too much too yoing, with an ego bigger than his ability. No chance of ever getting in the Chelsea 1st team, sitting on a 5 year contract, so he's made for life.
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Jan 16, 2018 8:12:48 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 16, 2018 8:12:48 GMT
He's been poor for months. Nobody wanted to see it though. I would like to see him in a less shambolic team though. He looked fine when he played for Chelsea and when he first came. He's had the defensive side coached out of him by Jim Bowen and Cerys Mathews He looked ok when he first came but he was still making the mistakes but getting away with them.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 16, 2018 8:16:37 GMT
He's only good when he has Shawcross to hold his hand.
I'd like to see Ryan and Indi in defence, with Zouma in midfield.
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Jan 16, 2018 8:19:21 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 16, 2018 8:19:21 GMT
He is the perfect example of why a lot of loan players don’t work. Not up for the fight because he’ll be back at Chelsea next season. Don’t know what Wimmers excuse is.
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Jan 16, 2018 8:19:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 8:19:23 GMT
Wimmer wasn't even on the pitch for the second goal! Let's get our facts right. True. But let’s face it he wouldn’t have done any better. I think the response you were looking for there was “Oh shit yes, how silly of me. Sorry Kevin”
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Jan 16, 2018 8:21:23 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 16, 2018 8:21:23 GMT
None of them do. And that’s the real problem. First goal, no challenge from choupo when he commits to coming inside. Second goal, pussyfooting from wimmer and zouma. Twice Allen failed to stop dangerous breaks by dangling a pathetic leg instead of taking a fucker the fuck out. Tackling, tackling, tackling. It is the very fucking core of our problems. We don’t win them in the middle, allowing us to turn over possession in dangerous areas, and we don’t win them in defence, allowing time and space to aim, connect and fire in good shots on goal. Even off the top of my head, brighton’s First and and Huddersfield goal. Conceded due to outrageously amateurish tackling. There are many many more examples but those are the worst two. And they are 4 points given away. Wimmer wasn't even on the pitch for the second goal! Let's get our facts right. Come on pal anyone can tell he means the third goal. If you are going to respond then try and contribute to the discussion with constructive debate, so many pointless posts on every thread
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Jan 16, 2018 8:22:03 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 16, 2018 8:22:03 GMT
Wimmer wasn't even on the pitch for the second goal! Let's get our facts right. some shitty numbnuts on here, spouting shit as usual Here he is, the king of the numb nuts.
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Post by Sven on Jan 16, 2018 8:27:26 GMT
He's still a good player for me, (although not at the moment). There is just a massive confidence issue at present with all the players due to the previous managers incompetence to organise and have a plan on how to defend. We have had so many big beatings the players are scared of making any mistake, hopefully lambert can sort this out and give them back there mojo.
4 pts minimum from next 2 games, hopefully 6
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Jan 16, 2018 9:27:35 GMT
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jan 16, 2018 9:27:35 GMT
None of them do. And that’s the real problem. First goal, no challenge from choupo when he commits to coming inside. Second goal, pussyfooting from wimmer and zouma. Twice Allen failed to stop dangerous breaks by dangling a pathetic leg instead of taking a fucker the fuck out. Tackling, tackling, tackling. It is the very fucking core of our problems. We don’t win them in the middle, allowing us to turn over possession in dangerous areas, and we don’t win them in defence, allowing time and space to aim, connect and fire in good shots on goal. Even off the top of my head, brighton’s First and and Huddersfield goal. Conceded due to outrageously amateurish tackling. There are many many more examples but those are the worst two. And they are 4 points given away. Wimmer wasn't even on the pitch for the second goal! Let's get our facts right. Sorry, third goal not second.
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Post by thegift on Jan 16, 2018 9:35:53 GMT
None of them do. And that’s the real problem. First goal, no challenge from choupo when he commits to coming inside. Second goal, pussyfooting from wimmer and zouma. Twice Allen failed to stop dangerous breaks by dangling a pathetic leg instead of taking a fucker the fuck out. Tackling, tackling, tackling. It is the very fucking core of our problems. We don’t win them in the middle, allowing us to turn over possession in dangerous areas, and we don’t win them in defence, allowing time and space to aim, connect and fire in good shots on goal. Even off the top of my head, brighton’s First and and Huddersfield goal. Conceded due to outrageously amateurish tackling. There are many many more examples but those are the worst two. And they are 4 points given away. Even blaming Wimmer for goals when he's not on the pitch now! Wimmer has a negative affect even when he doesn't play. The guy is TOSS
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Jan 16, 2018 10:08:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 10:08:59 GMT
Even blaming Wimmer for goals when he's not on the pitch now! Wimmer has a negative affect even when he doesn't play. The guy is TOSS He really isn't, he's just become yet another scapegoat.
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Jan 16, 2018 10:20:42 GMT
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jan 16, 2018 10:20:42 GMT
Wimmer has a negative affect even when he doesn't play. The guy is TOSS He really isn't, he's just become yet another scapegoat. As above, not scapegoating him. Nor was I accusing him of culpability for a goal he wasn’t on the pitch for. It was the third goal I was referring to rather than the second. Where he was weak as piss. I’m sure he can’t be as fucking bad as he’s looked so far and all the chopping and changing doesn’t help anyone, but that impacts positioning, it doesn’t impact poor and weak challenging, of which he is regularly guilty.
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Post by thegift on Jan 16, 2018 10:29:24 GMT
Wimmer has a negative affect even when he doesn't play. The guy is TOSS He really isn't, he's just become yet another scapegoat. Come on mate, what qualities does this actually actually have?
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