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Post by chrisgal on Dec 20, 2017 14:14:38 GMT
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Post by liamo on Dec 20, 2017 14:15:59 GMT
Funds are available... great
Funds being spent by the same people that bought Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino for fees totalling £50m + wages.... not so great
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 14:18:43 GMT
We need 3 defenders alongside Zouma when fit New right and left back and Bruno once fit again. We need to face the fact that Shawcross is no longer one of our best two centre halves. I agree that Shawcross hasn't been one of our better players for a long time, but that was because his ability and health no longer matched our ambitions. However, a relegation dogfight that calls for foolhardy heroism is just the kind of game he was born for. He will break his bone for us, any bone. We might need him yet.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 20, 2017 14:18:58 GMT
As I said, you've got to look at the bigger picture, it's not just about whether the signings have left us in the black or not, you can't ignore the fact that we're left with an absolutely appalling squad of players as a result of his transfer choices. Being in the black doesn't excuse that fact. And yes I know you want him out but I dont agree with your point that his activity in the transfer market is a red herring. In the simplest of terms, if any manager sells 30, 40 or 50 million pounds worth of good players and then spends the same amount on bad players, that doesn't then make it okay because the balance sheet tallies up. Come off it you know that isn't what has happened at all he's made signings that look like they will hit us for big losses and he's also made signings that have/would make very tidy profits to offset those losses. I didn't say that's what happened, I said that in the most SIMPLISTIC terms that if ANY manager did that it wouldn't make it okay. I was reinforcing the point that you can't asses transfers ONLY in terms of profit and loss, if ultimately the squad you're left with isn't fit for purpose. I probably didn't need to have added the edit, as it seems you have conceded the point anyway.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 20, 2017 14:22:41 GMT
There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that he should keep his job, the fact that he's been so poor in the transfer market, simply adds to the many reasons why he should go. As I said I'm not arguing for him to stay but if the bloke who can make that decision says he stays I'd sooner he had money to spend than not. Indeed but there shouldn't even remotely be a decision to make, precisely because he has been so poor in the transfer market. He should have gone in the summer or yesterday, or the day before that, or the day before that and so on.
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Post by jezzascfc on Dec 20, 2017 14:29:18 GMT
We need a minimum of four new first teamers, not squad players, genuine "one of the first names on the team sheet" starters. Whether the current recruitment team can manage that and whether old man Coates will sanction the spending remains the big question. You are asking four genuine first names on any team sheet starters , who are busy promoting their own careers, to join a club that will be playing championship football next season by the looks of it, to sacrifice their careers for our sake. Who'd want to do that? That will pose an even bigger question. We "need" them - getting them is something entirely different, which is highly unlikely.
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Post by block23 on Dec 20, 2017 14:31:05 GMT
Totally disagree mate, Ryan is not the problem in the defence He might not be the problem but he is making a very good case for himself being third choice behind Zouma and BMI It’s opinions mate. I M not saying Ryan is on top form, but I would take him ahead of any other CB we have. He gets blamed on her when he is at fault, perfectly reasonable, but often when he is not. Zouma and to a lesser exten BMi makes mistakes and get little to no stick. I like all of them, but I would still have Ryan as my first choice CB to be honest
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 16:31:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 16:56:17 GMT
MH selects the players he’d like but then this is where the problems start.
How many times in the past have the Scholes/ Cartwright combo gone after the player, spent weeks chasing him, set up meetings etc only for the player to sign for one of our rivals ? Then they come up with our second or third choice player instead and seem to think anything’s better than nothing.
I blame Hughes for team selection, tactics and substitutions but our transfer team seem to consistantly fail and get away with it.
I’m ready for a managerial change but the pizza gang need moving on too. They’re far too complacent for my liking.
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Post by Northy on Dec 20, 2017 17:07:30 GMT
wow, we just have cleaners at our place, I wonder what they operate apart from vacuum cleaners?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 20, 2017 17:11:17 GMT
wow, we just have cleaners at our place, I wonder what they operate apart from vacuum cleaners? The transfer system by the look of it.
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Post by lordb on Dec 20, 2017 17:23:19 GMT
As I said I'm not arguing for him to stay but if the bloke who can make that decision says he stays I'd sooner he had money to spend than not. Indeed but there shouldn't even remotely be a decision to make, precisely because he has been so poor in the transfer market. He should have gone in the summer or yesterday, or the day before that, or the day before that and so on. Yes but he's still here. Club is left with one option this window and that is to spend & in all probability spend a hell of a lot of money.
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Post by lordb on Dec 20, 2017 17:25:01 GMT
MH selects the players he’d like but then this is where the problems start. How many times in the past have the Scholes/ Cartwright combo gone after the player, spent weeks chasing him, set up meetings etc only for the player to sign for one of our rivals ? Then they come up with our second or third choice player instead and seem to think anything’s better than nothing. I blame Hughes for team selection, tactics and substitutions but our transfer team seem to consistantly fail and get away with it. I’m ready for a managerial change but the pizza gang need moving on too. They’re far too complacent for my liking. That happens at every club though. We will always miss out on players no matter who is in charge of them because players hold the cards now not clubs.
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Post by jonnynico on Dec 20, 2017 18:31:27 GMT
So we're after a sweeper then
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 18:37:50 GMT
MH selects the players he’d like but then this is where the problems start. How many times in the past have the Scholes/ Cartwright combo gone after the player, spent weeks chasing him, set up meetings etc only for the player to sign for one of our rivals ? Then they come up with our second or third choice player instead and seem to think anything’s better than nothing. I blame Hughes for team selection, tactics and substitutions but our transfer team seem to consistantly fail and get away with it. I’m ready for a managerial change but the pizza gang need moving on too. They’re far too complacent for my liking. That happens at every club though. We will always miss out on players no matter who is in charge of them because players hold the cards now not clubs. True. It happened at Chelsea, Manure, Spurs, Arsenal and every club that's under them. It happened at Barcelona and PSG. It never happens at Real Madrid, of course. And apart from Zidane, who never complains anyway, the likes of Zola, Mou, Wenger et al have been unhappy since. What we can do and should do more is pick the leftovers. Hughes claims he still has good connections at Chelsea and that is why he was able to get Zouma. But we should have had a couple of their academy starlets too. And so on.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 19:25:19 GMT
If there are transfer funds available in january the last football manager on planet earth I would give them to is: Mark Hughes
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 19:31:12 GMT
That happens at every club though. We will always miss out on players no matter who is in charge of them because players hold the cards now not clubs. True. It happened at Chelsea, Manure, Spurs, Arsenal and every club that's under them. It happened at Barcelona and PSG. It never happens at Real Madrid, of course. And apart from Zidane, who never complains anyway, the likes of Zola, Mou, Wenger et al have been unhappy since. What we can do and should do more is pick the leftovers. Hughes claims he still has good connections at Chelsea and that is why he was able to get Zouma. But we should have had a couple of their academy starlets too. And so on. I must have missed all these players actually turning up for negotiations at these big clubs then fucking off and signing for one of their rivals of a similar size. Where did you see this SSN BBC please tell.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 20, 2017 20:14:23 GMT
If there are transfer funds available in january the last football manager on planet earth I would give them to is: Mark Hughes He could fuck up a good c*nt
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Post by stokemark on Dec 20, 2017 20:18:06 GMT
So we have a manager who no one trusts with money who is therefore gong to take us down
We have an old manager who no one likes and no one wants who doesn't have a job but would certainly make a fist of trying to keep,us up
Then we have a mythical alternative who is brilliant with money, great at keep clubs up, available immediately and would love to come to Stoke
You honestly couldn't make this shit up
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 21:24:34 GMT
You are only as good in the transfer market as your last signing
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Post by lordb on Dec 20, 2017 21:28:38 GMT
True. It happened at Chelsea, Manure, Spurs, Arsenal and every club that's under them. It happened at Barcelona and PSG. It never happens at Real Madrid, of course. And apart from Zidane, who never complains anyway, the likes of Zola, Mou, Wenger et al have been unhappy since. What we can do and should do more is pick the leftovers. Hughes claims he still has good connections at Chelsea and that is why he was able to get Zouma. But we should have had a couple of their academy starlets too. And so on. I must have missed all these players actually turning up for negotiations at these big clubs then fucking off and signing for one of their rivals of a similar size. Where did you see this SSN BBC please tell. Give over,there are examples at every club. Sanchez was all set for Liverpool then signed for Arsenal. Lukaku was nailed on for a return to Chelsea,John Terry was going to Bournemouth e.t.c.
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Post by alster on Dec 20, 2017 22:15:34 GMT
I must have missed all these players actually turning up for negotiations at these big clubs then fucking off and signing for one of their rivals of a similar size. Where did you see this SSN BBC please tell. Give over,there are examples at every club. Sanchez was all set for Liverpool then signed for Arsenal. Lukaku was nailed on for a return to Chelsea,John Terry was going to Bournemouth e.t.c. You're talking about rumors not pictures of them attending the club for negotiations.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 11:09:00 GMT
Give over,there are examples at every club. Sanchez was all set for Liverpool then signed for Arsenal. Lukaku was nailed on for a return to Chelsea,John Terry was going to Bournemouth e.t.c. You're talking about rumors not pictures of them attending the club for negotiations. That’s my point. There are always rumours and paper talk but we actually seem to fly people in, wine and dine them and rarely sign them. Either we constantly fail to match other clubs wages or the chuckle brothers fail to close the deal. Who watches these players anyway ? Our scouting system seems a shambles too. It’s ok to watch a game and see someone put a half decent performance in but surely we should be digging behind the scenes checking personal life, temperament and character too and not just watching 3 minute YouTube clips. Too many people at the club who seem very complacent in their work for me and those people are half of our problem.
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Post by alster on Dec 21, 2017 11:52:13 GMT
You're talking about rumors not pictures of them attending the club for negotiations. That’s my point. There are always rumours and paper talk but we actually seem to fly people in, wine and dine them and rarely sign them. Either we constantly fail to match other clubs wages or the chuckle brothers fail to close the deal. Who watches these players anyway ? Our scouting system seems a shambles too. It’s ok to watch a game and see someone put a half decent performance in but surely we should be digging behind the scenes checking personal life, temperament and character too and not just watching 3 minute YouTube clips. Too many people at the club who seem very complacent in their work for me and those people are half of our problem. The point I'm making is the one's who are actually interested and serious enough to attend the club for talks yet we fail to seal a deal with them for the want of more money or more flexibility on contract clauses seem infinitely better than the one's we do end up signing on the "right deal". Now if that's the case is the scouting and player selection really as bad as the reality we end up lumbered with because of someone's policy of false economies. If we stopped poncing about doing the "decent thing" and giving players contracts who'll never play for us again and keeping players past their prime on big wages who rarely feature ie Adam, Affelay and for me Crouch but I know many will take issue with that one, then there would be more slack and flexibility to sign the players we actually want instead of poor compromises.
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Post by chrisandthemum on Dec 21, 2017 12:59:06 GMT
Good god ... what a ride ... from a team with a strong spine to the current situation .
A team of hairdressers ...
Pass the gel , Kevin ... OOOOOOOOOOEEEEERRRR...!
The simplest solution is for Hughes to go . We are trying to make a Gourmet Omelet ... and we have some Welsh bloke chucking eggs at a wall .
I've been down ALDI . Can I have a go ?
The writing is on the wall ... our rather the eggs are .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 13:03:51 GMT
You are only as good in the transfer market as your last signing Nonsense, even the best managers make some transfer decisions that really don’t work out for them, Fergie and Guardiola included.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 21, 2017 13:09:08 GMT
Has Denise confirmed there is money to spend..?
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 22, 2017 18:11:55 GMT
Was this a deliberate play on words by not saying Hughes will be given funds?. Do they know something?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 18:18:52 GMT
Unlikely.
That would imply that Hughes has already been given the boot and that he's a dead man walking in the eyes of the board until the time that a new one could be put in charge. Everything that Hughes says indicates that he sees himself as manager of Stoke City until his contract runs out.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 22, 2017 18:23:55 GMT
Unlikely. That would imply that Hughes has already been given the boot and that he's a dead man walking in the eyes of the board until the time that a new one could be put in charge. Everything that Hughes says indicates that he sees himself as manager of Stoke City until his contract runs out. Or it implies if there's no improvement he's a goner, of course Hughes is speaking as if he'll be manager, who would want to lose their job or even doubt they are good enough, I just think its all a little in the air, given how Hughes is speaking he knows his job is on the line, its like he's giving an interview in the press "I know the players and the club" etc.
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