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Post by felonious on Apr 1, 2018 15:13:00 GMT
Happy Easter Killer(My fathers ice cream van name was Killer(after Jerry-Lee)) I don't know where you're getting your conspiratorial ideas from, but they obviously have an anti Jesus beef. I wouldn't doubt that there are aspects of the Greek gods personalities that resonate with the teachings of Jesus, but I would say that this is because the Greeks were science based scholars & saw human traits as external godley influences. Jesus was the Son of Man & both God & human. The fact that three of the Gospels contradict slightly in parts is down to human perception, just as witnesses to any event will see things through their own understanding(the beholders share) As for Luke, he wrote his Gospel & Acts after the fact, as a Greek Dr & was interested in giving the message to the Gentiles, so used Matthew's gospel as his source. Kin,Ella bath you know it's a load of bloody mumbo jumbo Leave him alone Harry, he had a mind altering experience in Ibeza
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 1, 2018 15:29:24 GMT
Happy Easter Killer(My fathers ice cream van name was Killer(after Jerry-Lee)) I don't know where you're getting your conspiratorial ideas from, but they obviously have an anti Jesus beef. I wouldn't doubt that there are aspects of the Greek gods personalities that resonate with the teachings of Jesus, but I would say that this is because the Greeks were science based scholars & saw human traits as external godley influences. Jesus was the Son of Man & both God & human. The fact that three of the Gospels contradict slightly in parts is down to human perception, just as witnesses to any event will see things through their own understanding(the beholders share) As for Luke, he wrote his Gospel & Acts after the fact, as a Greek Dr & was interested in giving the message to the Gentiles, so used Matthew's gospel as his source. Kin,Ella bath you know it's a load of bloody mumbo jumbo Didn’t stop your Lady gobbling it upXx
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 1, 2018 16:21:05 GMT
Kin,Ella bath you know it's a load of bloody mumbo jumbo Didn’t stop your Lady gobbling it upXx Yeh ,it was the only thing she did
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 1, 2018 16:23:48 GMT
Kin,Ella bath you know it's a load of bloody mumbo jumbo Leave him alone Harry, he had a mind altering experience in Ibeza I had those too with cubalibra but I was all well the next day mate , anyway if anything I want to be Jewish, they get more holidays
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 1, 2018 16:40:21 GMT
Everybody is an atheist anyway. Some people just go one God further.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 1, 2018 18:20:27 GMT
Kin,Ella bath you know it's a load of bloody mumbo jumbo Leave him alone Harry, he had a mind altering experience in Ibeza Don't knock it till yee tried it
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Post by duckling on Apr 5, 2018 2:53:15 GMT
If we were to know everything we think there is to know in this universe, there would still be an unknown. Maybe that unknown is a godlike force, maybe not. But I'm pretty sure it's not a bearded guy in the sky.
I do believe that Jesus existed (past tense, don't believe in the risen from the dead thing), and I would love to have met him. He is the most fascinating person in history to me. He must have had a personality beyond words in order for so many people throughout history to devote their lives, sacrifice their lives, and take the lives of others because of him.
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Post by duckling on Apr 5, 2018 3:00:34 GMT
The world is a pretty fucked up place and always has been.
If God exists in the Judeo Christian sense, He's cruel, spiteful, and sadistic.
If He were benevolent, why would He give people the free will to inflict so much suffering and destruction? Surely by now He's realized that free will can be used in very bad ways, so perhaps it's better not to give them that free will, or it's better to revoke it from people after they've shown a tendency to abuse it.
Lots of people who believe in God say that Satan is responsible for the cruelty and shitiness in this world. If true, and God is benevolent, and God is omnipotent, then for fucks sake kill off Satan.
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Post by overthehills on Apr 10, 2018 16:16:21 GMT
90% no. 10% don't know.
I do wonder sometimes if all these religions are setup by a real god to test how strong our minds/souls are. If we start to believe in these fake religions this real god has setup then we are not worthy and weak.
I have read the bible and asked many a question to different priests when I was young to never get a straight answer and just told that there is no evidence and that you just have to believe in it. That didn't work for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:07:28 GMT
90% no. 10% don't know. I do wonder sometimes if all these religions are setup by a real god to test how strong our minds/souls are. If we start to believe in these fake religions this real god has setup then we are not worthy and weak. I have read the bible and asked many a question to different priests when I was young to never get a straight answer and just told that there is no evidence and that you just have to believe in it. That didn't work for me. I found initially it took a step of faith. I believed I suppose but never acted on it, finally I decided that if this was real then I needed to take a closer, deeper look. The closer and deeper I searched the more evidence I found to support it. I guess that’s what Jesus meant when He said “Seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened’’.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 30, 2018 15:33:24 GMT
This looks like an Eastern Orthodox , or other orthodox Christian ritual. The comments are interesting. In any other context it could be deemed child abuse!
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Post by metalhead on May 1, 2018 10:38:48 GMT
No, I believe in Science. However, I have no problem with those who find comfort in Religion. I personally don't, and I never will.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 26, 2018 8:13:06 GMT
Dave Allen believed as a boy!. God must have a sense of humour.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 26, 2018 8:52:16 GMT
This looks like an Eastern Orthodox , or other orthodox Christian ritual. The comments are interesting. In any other context it could be deemed child abuse! Looks like fun to me not sure the priest could pick me up nowdays And giving second thoughts if I do find one best not have half a dozen pints beforehand
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 26, 2018 9:10:56 GMT
No, load of old bollocks is religion
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Post by musik on Sept 26, 2018 9:38:01 GMT
People often get this question: "Do you believe in God?"
But they should ask themselves: "Do God believe in me ?"
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 26, 2018 9:39:59 GMT
Best practical joke ever.
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Post by musik on Sept 26, 2018 9:48:11 GMT
But you have explained it.... It's just luck. In an infinite universe with billions of stars, surrounded by even more billions of planets, surrounded by even more billions of moons do you not think that there is a chance of that freak circumstance occurring, probably more than once? There are probably other freak occurrences throughout the universe. Planets with a surface of exactly 50% land and 50% liquid. Planets where the highest peak is exactly the same amplitude of the deepest trough. Those sorts of things, and the locals probably wonder, in their own way, if that is a sign of some sort of design or master power over their own lives too. Don't talk rubbish man. The position and size of the sun and moon are a pre requisite of our existence the chances of that being repeated anywhere else in the universe are slim and if it does it will certainly not be by luck. We're not talking roughly 400 times bigger or roughly 400 times further away we are talking precision. I agree with you, rivival. And I certainly don't understand the "luck argument"! If it was luck ... so what? Why is The Creator forbidden to have luck? The bottom line is still ... you can't make something out of nothing. It's like the ingredients for a bread plus an oven. Even if you can explain how a bread is made scientifically, someone must have put the ingredients there.
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Post by musik on Sept 26, 2018 9:54:59 GMT
If such a deity existed you'd think he/she/it would come down and sort out the fuck up humanity has become. Do you really want to know why? He's not responsible for it.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 26, 2018 10:07:11 GMT
Don't talk rubbish man. The position and size of the sun and moon are a pre requisite of our existence the chances of that being repeated anywhere else in the universe are slim and if it does it will certainly not be by luck. We're not talking roughly 400 times bigger or roughly 400 times further away we are talking precision. I agree with you, rivival. And I certainly don't understand the "luck argument"! If it was luck ... so what? Why is The Creator forbidden to have luck? The bottom line is still ... you can't make something out of nothing. It's like the ingredients for a bread plus an oven. Even if you can explain how a bread is made scientifically, someone must have put the ingredients there. Define “nothing”
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 26, 2018 10:35:47 GMT
Quantum Mechanics will gradually reveal the secrets of how we're here, there's so much matter out there that we literally cannot see but can detect due to gravitation impacts and mathematical functions.
There's no such thing as a true vacuum, a vacuum is full of particles and anti-particles that collide, which exist and cease to as quick as they were created. To us, untrained observers it looks like nothing...but it's not. Quantum physics is the key to unlock the "something out of nothing" argument.
Even so, if there was a creator...who put him there? Why is it ludicrous to suggest you can get something out of nothing when there's mathematical and observable models for it (check virtual particle conversion to actual photons) but saying there's a creator who exists independent of time and space yet created all time of space is accepted doctrine among religious people. It's double standards.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 26, 2018 13:48:15 GMT
But you have explained it.... It's just luck. In an infinite universe with billions of stars, surrounded by even more billions of planets, surrounded by even more billions of moons do you not think that there is a chance of that freak circumstance occurring, probably more than once? There are probably other freak occurrences throughout the universe. Planets with a surface of exactly 50% land and 50% liquid. Planets where the highest peak is exactly the same amplitude of the deepest trough. Those sorts of things, and the locals probably wonder, in their own way, if that is a sign of some sort of design or master power over their own lives too. Don't talk rubbish man. The position and size of the sun and moon are a pre requisite of our existence the chances of that being repeated anywhere else in the universe are slim and if it does it will certainly not be by luck. We're not talking roughly 400 times bigger or roughly 400 times further away we are talking precision. No, actually we are talking roughly. The distance to the sun can be anywhere between 359 to 418 times the distance to the moon, depending on the time of day/year you measure it. The average is 389. So that's that theory out of the window.
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Post by musik on Sept 26, 2018 14:10:12 GMT
I agree with you, rivival. And I certainly don't understand the "luck argument"! If it was luck ... so what? Why is The Creator forbidden to have luck? The bottom line is still ... you can't make something out of nothing. It's like the ingredients for a bread plus an oven. Even if you can explain how a bread is made scientifically, someone must have put the ingredients there. Define “nothing” Nothing = what some (quite a lot actually) so called scientists (from various seminars I have attended), think existed from the very beginning, before the Big Bang. But even the smallest particle of any kind or the smallest energy field inside or outside of the observable, even if we cannot see it, feel it or even measure it atm or ever, would mean there is something. Not nothing.
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Post by musik on Sept 26, 2018 14:30:54 GMT
Quantum Mechanics will gradually reveal the secrets of how we're here, there's so much matter out there that we literally cannot see but can detect due to gravitation impacts and mathematical functions. There's no such thing as a true vacuum, a vacuum is full of particles and anti-particles that collide, which exist and cease to as quick as they were created. To us, untrained observers it looks like nothing...but it's not. Quantum physics is the key to unlock the "something out of nothing" argument. Even so, if there was a creator...who put him there? Why is it ludicrous to suggest you can get something out of nothing when there's mathematical and observable models for it (check virtual particle conversion to actual photons) but saying there's a creator who exists independent of time and space yet created all time of space is accepted doctrine among religious people. It's double standards. Unfortunately, the most obvious perspective used by humans is the human perspective and therein lies the restrictions within quantum physics. I doubt the answers will ever come from quantum physics, at least not all of them. I've been asked to co-wrote a book in quantum physics with a physicist from Chalmers. I really suppose he's non-religious, only spoken with him so far once by phone. An interest challenging groundbreaking project he's worked with for some years. I can come back to this. These particles in vaccum you mentioned - where would you say they came from?
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 26, 2018 14:38:35 GMT
Nothing = what some (quite a lot actually) so called scientists (from various seminars I have attended), think existed from the very beginning, before the Big Bang. But even the smallest particle of any kind or the smallest energy field inside or outside of the observable, even if we cannot see it, feel it or even measure it atm or ever, would mean there is something. Not nothing. Correct. So how do you know this "something from nothing" happened that underpins your belief in a creator?
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 26, 2018 15:18:00 GMT
90% no. 10% don't know. I do wonder sometimes if all these religions are setup by a real god to test how strong our minds/souls are. If we start to believe in these fake religions this real god has setup then we are not worthy and weak. I have read the bible and asked many a question to different priests when I was young to never get a straight answer and just told that there is no evidence and that you just have to believe in it. That didn't work for me. Well it's the old get out isn't it , I had a very strict catholic upbringing whenever you question some of the crap they come up with , they just say have faith , faith , faith it' just means we don't know really
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 26, 2018 16:22:08 GMT
Don't talk rubbish man. The position and size of the sun and moon are a pre requisite of our existence the chances of that being repeated anywhere else in the universe are slim and if it does it will certainly not be by luck. We're not talking roughly 400 times bigger or roughly 400 times further away we are talking precision. No, actually we are talking roughly. The distance to the sun can be anywhere between 359 to 418 times the distance to the moon, depending on the time of day/year you measure it. The average is 389. So that's that theory out of the window.
Plus the fact that the moon is getting further and further away from us literally by the day and when living organisms (which we evolved from) first appeared on the earth, those figures he quoted quite simply weren't the case at all. The moon isn't and never has been in a fixed position that is a fixed distance away from the Earth.
Science also believes that the moon was not essential for life anyway, simply that if the first life forms formed in a tidal current then those tides would have accelerated the "mixing" of protonucleic acid molecules meaning a quicker spread of life across the planet, but almost all agree that eventually life would have taken hold whether there were tides or not but it just means it would have taken longer to get to where we are now i.e. the moon is not in any way, shape or form a pre-requisite to the existence of any life whatsoever.
Methinks rivival may need to take some really basic, elementary science lessons
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Post by musik on Sept 26, 2018 17:55:20 GMT
90% no. 10% don't know. I do wonder sometimes if all these religions are setup by a real god to test how strong our minds/souls are. If we start to believe in these fake religions this real god has setup then we are not worthy and weak. I have read the bible and asked many a question to different priests when I was young to never get a straight answer and just told that there is no evidence and that you just have to believe in it. That didn't work for me. Well it's the old get out isn't it , I had a very strict catholic upbringing whenever you question some of the crap they come up with , they just say have faith , faith , faith it' just means we don't know really You can't start to believe just because some person says so. It's a gift. Everyone will get it time. It's like love. You can't force someone to love you.
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Post by musik on Sept 26, 2018 18:21:59 GMT
No, actually we are talking roughly. The distance to the sun can be anywhere between 359 to 418 times the distance to the moon, depending on the time of day/year you measure it. The average is 389. So that's that theory out of the window. Plus the fact that the moon is getting further and further away from us literally by the day and when living organisms (which we evolved from) first appeared on the earth, those figures he quoted quite simply weren't the case at all. The moon isn't and never has been in a fixed position that is a fixed distance away from the Earth. Science also believes that the moon was not essential for life anyway, simply that if the first life forms formed in a tidal current then those tides would have accelerated the "mixing" of protonucleic acid molecules meaning a quicker spread of life across the planet, but almost all agree that eventually life would have taken hold whether there were tides or not but it just means it would have taken longer to get to where we are now i.e. the moon is not in any way, shape or form a pre-requisite to the existence of any life whatsoever.
Methinks rivival may need to take some really basic, elementary science lessons I love science! I love maths. I love everything that increases knowledge. But I also believe in the Creator. (Not only believe actually, but sometimes people find it offensive.) But there are to be a misunderstanding when it comes to explaining why there should exist a God. What a believer tries to do is to give general easy understandable examples of why there is a Creator, and it doesn't really matter what the mathematics says. The Universe, the moon, the Sun, the Earth, every other Universe etc are all amazingly precise placed. Someone/Something MUST have made it to function that way. The distance to the moon depends on when it's measured, as you wrote above. We know that, we all do. The fluctuations in space and death of the Sun seems to be predetermined. So what? Why would it change anything? Why would the evolution theory change anything? The point is at least no human can have made it. Not any butcher, not any carpenter, not any musician. Not even a parrot. So what was it? Can we agree to call it God? I would be kind enough to let any person on Earth create a universe by his own hands. Be my guest. I'm waiting. 😉 Seriously, I think the debate "conflicts" to a high degree consist of the expectations on what God is.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 26, 2018 18:22:53 GMT
Well it's the old get out isn't it , I had a very strict catholic upbringing whenever you question some of the crap they come up with , they just say have faith , faith , faith it' just means we don't know really You can't start to believe just because some person says so. It's a gift. Everyone will get it time. It's like love. You can't force someone to love you. It never really got into my psyche mate
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