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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 1, 2023 13:15:10 GMT
Nah, the country's had enough of experts, Oggy, you've attached a wry smile to that , but i think your actual comment is correct . the problem is whenever you get an expert to make a comment someone always drags out another expert with a contrary view . the world is fucked up . definition of an expert ....... a former inverted drip . Like with Brexit, 99% of economic and legal experts said it was a terrible idea, but the BBC kept rolling out the 1% in favour of leave for balance. As we know, the 99% were right.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 1, 2023 14:00:41 GMT
Im all for a PM appointed cabinet of non MP's that are confirmed by parlimentary MPs and accountable to parliment. It would probably help clean parliment as MP's wouldnt be stabbing each other in the back for a better cabinet seat I think that sounds great….except Boris Johnson was PM….his appointed cabinet would be whoever pays the most towards his wallpaper/holidays/child maintenance/life . not if they had to be vetted and confirmed by parliment anyway our parliment doesnt want cleaning up
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Post by knype on Nov 1, 2023 14:01:39 GMT
you've attached a wry smile to that , but i think your actual comment is correct . the problem is whenever you get an expert to make a comment someone always drags out another expert with a contrary view . the world is fucked up . definition of an expert ....... a former inverted drip . Like with Brexit, 99% of economic and legal experts said it was a terrible idea, but the BBC kept rolling out the 1% in favour of leave for balance. As we know, the 99% were right. Who says they were?
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 1, 2023 16:31:26 GMT
Like with Brexit, 99% of economic and legal experts said it was a terrible idea, but the BBC kept rolling out the 1% in favour of leave for balance. As we know, the 99% were right. Who says they were? The state of the country right now is a pretty good indication.
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Nov 1, 2023 17:40:59 GMT
I still think Trump beats him with the 'can you inject disinfectant to cure coronavirus'...but jesus christ. Science and politics just don't mix, the pandemic proved that, and even more so when you have absolutely braindead politicians that don't have a clue or understand most of what's been told to them. You only have to look at the Covid thread to see the impacts and how easily people believe in absoulute crap they've read online.
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Post by maxplonk on Nov 1, 2023 18:05:03 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 1, 2023 18:21:55 GMT
Nah, the country's had enough of experts, Oggy, you've attached a wry smile to that , but i think your actual comment is correct . the problem is whenever you get an expert to make a comment someone always drags out another expert with a contrary view .
the world is fucked up .
definition of an expert ....... a former inverted drip . I did attach a wry smile, you're right, because it was taking the piss out of the kind of people who do dismiss experts in their fields if they're telling them stuff they don't want to hear - which is very much a feature of modern life. I do find myself wondering who you'll turn to if and when you need an operation or medical expertise or legal advice, given that you don't trust "former inverted [did you actually mean introverted? 🤣] drips".
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Post by maxplonk on Nov 1, 2023 18:46:08 GMT
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Post by maxplonk on Nov 1, 2023 18:46:34 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 1, 2023 19:20:10 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 1, 2023 21:09:23 GMT
Stanley must be banging the doors down at Eton asking for his money back.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 1, 2023 21:11:58 GMT
Quick reminder that Big Nige will at the GB News pub tomorrow morning for his award winning show Talking pints at 7pm tomorrow evening. He will have some very interesting things to say about the COVID nonsense and other current affairs with a very special guest. Give it a try
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 1, 2023 21:13:49 GMT
Quick reminder that Big Nige will at the GB News pub tomorrow morning for his award winning show Talking pints at 7pm tomorrow evening. He will have some very interesting things to say about the COVID nonsense and other current affairs with a very special guest. Give it a try Honestly think I'd rather watch The Last Leg with Romesh on as a special guest.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 1, 2023 21:20:34 GMT
Quick reminder that Big Nige will at the GB News pub tomorrow morning for his award winning show Talking pints at 7pm tomorrow evening. He will have some very interesting things to say about the COVID nonsense and other current affairs with a very special guest. Give it a try Honestly think I'd rather watch The Last Leg with Romesh on as a special guest. You don’t know if you’ve never watched it. This government is gone, have a look at someone who actually talks sense. You’d be surprised😉
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Post by gawa on Nov 1, 2023 21:43:44 GMT
How does this help the UK in any way? We should want as much representation as possible at such events.
My guess is that he's hoping to win contracts which benefit his pals so the less representation the better.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 1, 2023 22:17:55 GMT
Surely not- as if Boris Johnson would think that blowing things up his nose would make him feel better.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 2, 2023 7:41:12 GMT
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Post by knype on Nov 2, 2023 8:12:02 GMT
Amazing how they all come out now...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 2, 2023 8:26:09 GMT
Stanley must be banging the doors down at Eton asking for his money back. Isn't that what Eton is for? Getting entitled morons like Boris Johnson to the highest positions in the land without any discernible ability, intellect or moral compass? Job done.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 2, 2023 8:28:22 GMT
Amazing how they all come out now... They're simply confirming precisely what many of us on here were saying at the time. If they'd been whistleblowers at the time they'd have been bullied into silence or sacked.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 2, 2023 8:58:22 GMT
How does this help the UK in any way? We should want as much representation as possible at such events. My guess is that he's hoping to win contracts which benefit his pals so the less representation the better. It is a tax payer funded job interview for Sunak’s next role after he loses the election. Of course he wants nobody there who may hold him to account.
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Post by knype on Nov 2, 2023 9:02:02 GMT
Amazing how they all come out now... They're simply confirming precisely what many of us on here were saying at the time. If they'd been whistleblowers at the time they'd have been bullied into silence or sacked. Don't agree with that at all, if it was for the national interest they should have come out and said it!
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 2, 2023 9:05:09 GMT
Amazing how they all come out now... Why should career civil servants have to ruin their careers to whistleblow on incompetence in government that loads of us were already aware of? These senior civil servants dedicate their working lives to serving whichever government us idiots elect. Brexit lies meant we had the the most arrogant bunch of bullshitters ever in power at the worst possible time. Surprise surprise, it was a shambles.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 2, 2023 9:07:28 GMT
They're simply confirming precisely what many of us on here were saying at the time. If they'd been whistleblowers at the time they'd have been bullied into silence or sacked. Don't agree with that at all, if it was for the national interest they should have come out and said it! They would have been destroyed by the right wing press for being partial and sacked immediately. Brexit never would have happened if civil servants acted in the national interest. Neither would the Iraq war, or austerity. Civil servants must do as they are told by the government of the day. It is the government of the day that are responsible, not civil servants. Else why not be rid of the government and just allow faceless bureaucrats to run the country?
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Post by knype on Nov 2, 2023 9:10:06 GMT
Amazing how they all come out now... Why should career civil servants have to ruin their careers to whistleblow on incompetence in government that loads of us were already aware of? These senior civil servants dedicate their working lives to serving whichever government us idiots elect. Brexit lies meant we had the the most arrogant bunch of bullshitters ever in power at the worst possible time. Surprise surprise, it was a shambles. Why ? So they put themselves before the country? Opinions eh
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 2, 2023 9:17:35 GMT
Why should career civil servants have to ruin their careers to whistleblow on incompetence in government that loads of us were already aware of? These senior civil servants dedicate their working lives to serving whichever government us idiots elect. Brexit lies meant we had the the most arrogant bunch of bullshitters ever in power at the worst possible time. Surprise surprise, it was a shambles. Why ? So they put themselves before the country? Opinions eh It isn’t an opinion. It is front and centre of the civil service code to be impartial and the need for a code is ratified by an act of Parliament. Impartiality is the job, it isn’t optional. Else civil servants who are right wing could have purposefully stopped gay marriage and those who are left wing could hand out benefits more easily. They have to leave politics behind. They cannot be members of political parties. Who is to say what is and is not in the national interest? Iraq war? Brexit? Prorogation of Parliament? Austerity measures?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 11:36:59 GMT
They're simply confirming precisely what many of us on here were saying at the time. If they'd been whistleblowers at the time they'd have been bullied into silence or sacked. Don't agree with that at all, if it was for the national interest they should have come out and said it! Agreed. They are all just looking to repaint themselves in this period of history. It doesn’t mean what they are saying is not true though. Simply, their motives are likely to be completely self serving. Whistleblowers represent an important check and balance of the political framework.
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Post by gawa on Nov 2, 2023 15:18:19 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Nov 2, 2023 15:40:11 GMT
Matt Hancock wanted to decide “who should live and who should die” if hospitals became overwhelmed by Covid patients, Lord Stevens has told the Covid inquiry.
The former chief executive of NHS England said in his witness statement: “The secretary of state for health and social care took the position that in this situation he - rather than, say, the medical profession or the public - should ultimately decide who should live and who should die.
source, the telegraph.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 2, 2023 17:04:15 GMT
Don't agree with that at all, if it was for the national interest they should have come out and said it! Agreed. They are all just looking to repaint themselves in this period of history. It doesn’t mean what they are saying is not true though. Simply, their motives are likely to be completely self serving. Whistleblowers represent an important check and balance of the political framework. Easy to say when you're not involved and it's not your livelihood on the line. Here's what regularly happens if you do blow the whistle... www.leighday.co.uk/news/news/2023-news/civil-servant-issues-landmark-whistleblowing-claim-following-accusations-in-media-against-boris-johnson-and-simon-case/It's not unreasonable to assume that a public inquiry is going to be held at some point and that that is the forum to present your evidence, which is under oath and therefore open to perjury action.
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