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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 20, 2023 10:31:39 GMT
What specifically do you think they'll do worse than this lot, out of interest? EVERYTHING In what way though, beyond just cheering for the Tories like people cheer for a football team? Does everything have to be rooted in tribalism?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2023 10:32:49 GMT
"Back in the day"? Aren't you a new poster? And I repeat, I have never attempted to get anyone banned. Been around since the start... Not with 73 posts you haven't mate
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Post by werrington on Oct 20, 2023 10:40:49 GMT
What specifically do you think they'll do worse than this lot, out of interest? EVERYTHING Economy on its arse and was almost on the brink?….pound almost collapsing?…bank of England stepping in to save it?….mortgage rate through the roof?…internet rates through the roof?….worker unrest?…Food and fuel prices through the roof?…household bills through the roof? I’m all ears mate
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 20, 2023 10:43:04 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? You forgot the literal Irish meaning and original meaning of Tory which is thief seems apt dont you think 😁
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Post by werrington on Oct 20, 2023 10:48:55 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? Respects the law? It was law not to break covid rules, it was set up by the tories Which house got issued with the most fixed penalties in Britain? Go on have a guess cobs lad
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 20, 2023 11:03:58 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? A tory is someone who votes for them. The tory rule of the last 13 years did not respect law and order - see covid law breaking, crazy levels of corruption, abusive MPs and ministers, judges being told not to hand out prison sentences to convicted criminals because there is no space in prisons The tory rule of the last 13 years did not reward hard work. It rewards people who can get fast lane priority contracts to fraudulently claim money for PPE and that gets written off by your mate in power. The gap between the rich and the poor ever widens with tax breaks for the rich and higher taxes on poorer people to ensure they remain poor and the rich get richer. The tory rule of the last 13 years doesn’t believe in peaceful protest. See the public order bill used to clamp down on protest, peaceful or otherwise. Being a tory after the last 13 years means being either very rich, very well connected, or not caring at all for anyone.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 20, 2023 11:21:43 GMT
She should have stood instead of "Andy" and the people of Tamworth would have had a choice to elect a Nadine Clone What f'kin Arseholes and I don't just mean this pair of Twats Edit: I know it's a different Constituency
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 20, 2023 11:33:48 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? If a few dishonest cases getting a 'free ride' is an unfortunate byproduct of a system that enables people who are genuinely struggling to get the support they need in tough times then then so be it tbh. There are bigger problems. So to condone criminality for the greater good? Is it greedy to want to help the genuine cases and prosecute the many cases (£1bn was quoted) then? I think sometimes we deserve better than to get half the job.
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Post by phileetin on Oct 20, 2023 11:34:04 GMT
Economy on its arse and was almost on the brink?….pound almost collapsing?…bank of England stepping in to save it?….mortgage rate through the roof?…internet rates through the roof?….worker unrest?…Food and fuel prices through the roof?…household bills through the roof? I’m all ears mate
what policies announced by labour address the issues you mention ?
if they can't announce their policies does that mean that they don't have any ? and if they don't have any then its just deja vu .
at least this time its the conservatives leaving the note saying " sorry theres no money left "
will labour introduce austerity to try and get borrowing down ? will they f**k
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Post by werrington on Oct 20, 2023 11:43:13 GMT
Economy on its arse and was almost on the brink?….pound almost collapsing?…bank of England stepping in to save it?….mortgage rate through the roof?…internet rates through the roof?….worker unrest?…Food and fuel prices through the roof?…household bills through the roof? I’m all ears mate what policies announced by labour address the issues you mention ? if they can't announce their policies does that mean that they don't have any ? and if they don't have any then its just deja vu . at least this time its the conservatives leaving the note saying " sorry theres no money left " will labour introduce austerity to try and get borrowing down ? will they f**k You’ve not addressed the points I’ve made? Instead you’ve deflected it Enjoy your day
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 20, 2023 11:51:35 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? Can't figure for the life of me which one you are not. I'm all 4... And throw into the pot:- Patriotic. Crying crocodile tears over Her Majesty whilst stepping over a homeless person. That's patriotism in modern day Britain.........
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Oct 20, 2023 11:52:31 GMT
Economy on its arse and was almost on the brink?….pound almost collapsing?…bank of England stepping in to save it?….mortgage rate through the roof?…internet rates through the roof?….worker unrest?…Food and fuel prices through the roof?…household bills through the roof? I’m all ears mate
what policies announced by labour address the issues you mention ?
if they can't announce their policies does that mean that they don't have any ? and if they don't have any then its just deja vu .
at least this time its the conservatives leaving the note saying " sorry theres no money left "
will labour introduce austerity to try and get borrowing down ? will they f**k
Sir Kier has said his main policy is to grow the economy...So there....
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Post by wannabee on Oct 20, 2023 11:59:50 GMT
Economy on its arse and was almost on the brink?….pound almost collapsing?…bank of England stepping in to save it?….mortgage rate through the roof?…internet rates through the roof?….worker unrest?…Food and fuel prices through the roof?…household bills through the roof? I’m all ears mate
what policies announced by labour address the issues you mention ?
if they can't announce their policies does that mean that they don't have any ? and if they don't have any then its just deja vu .
at least this time its the conservatives leaving the note saying " sorry theres no money left "
will labour introduce austerity to try and get borrowing down ? will they f**k
Why would Labour announce their Manifesto Policies now when if they were any good Tories would nick them and do nothing about them like all the other Manifesto pledges they broke, Government isn't about talking but actions UK Debt was £1 Trillion when the Tories took office in 2010 and have managed to increase it to £2.5 Trillion while imposing Austerity and wrecking Public Services. Don't bother replying about the £400Bn Covid Fiasco as most of that was syphoned of to Tory Donors, Fraud or Sheer Incompetence while everyone at 10 had a Jolly Good Party If Liz Truss hadn't wrecked the Economy in her disastrous 7 week Tenure the amount needed to Service the Debt due to higher interest rates would be considerably less even with the Enormous Debt Pile this shower have managed to accumulate without any visible return There is a huge difference in borrowing for Capital spending which generates growth and it's doesn't spook the Markets and increase Interest Rates like a Liz Tax Giveaway. But the Projects need to be selected and managed properly unlike the HS2 Fiasco which is an International embarrassment
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 20, 2023 12:02:52 GMT
Have we taken, 'being gracious in defeat' off the list of what it's like to be a Tory, yet?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 20, 2023 12:08:32 GMT
If a few dishonest cases getting a 'free ride' is an unfortunate byproduct of a system that enables people who are genuinely struggling to get the support they need in tough times then then so be it tbh. There are bigger problems. So to condone criminality for the greater good? Is it greedy to want to help the genuine cases and prosecute the many cases (£1bn was quoted) then? I think sometimes we deserve better than to get half the job. Pragmatically, yes. Almost any system can be gamed. Again, as has been pointed out by others on the thread, the mega rich also have ways of not contributing anything to society which can also be considered 'criminality' yet don't seem to angry up certain people's blood in anything like the same way. If you can prosecute the cheats while helping the genuine cases then marvellous, that's the ideal. If we're spending more time focusing on a minority of bad 'uns rather than on a system that helps the genuine then the priorities are wrong though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 20, 2023 12:10:46 GMT
Economy on its arse and was almost on the brink?….pound almost collapsing?…bank of England stepping in to save it?….mortgage rate through the roof?…internet rates through the roof?….worker unrest?…Food and fuel prices through the roof?…household bills through the roof? I’m all ears mate what policies announced by labour address the issues you mention ? if they can't announce their policies does that mean that they don't have any ? and if they don't have any then its just deja vu . at least this time its the conservatives leaving the note saying " sorry theres no money left " will labour introduce austerity to try and get borrowing down ? will they f**k Just so we're clear, you're saying things would be worse because Labour wouldn't introduce austerity? Wouldn't be the first time the Tories had left that note either. It's a traditional gag from government to government that Cameron slimily took out of context to score cheap points.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Oct 20, 2023 12:15:34 GMT
Been around since the start... Not with 73 posts you haven't mate Obvs not then, cuz you are never wrong...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2023 12:22:28 GMT
Not with 73 posts you haven't mate Obvs not then, cuz you are never wrong... Less of the deflection please.
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Post by 4372 on Oct 20, 2023 12:46:38 GMT
Have we taken, 'being gracious in defeat' off the list of what it's like to be a Tory, yet? Sarah Edwards is the new MP for Tamworth. I am going to take a wild guess here. If she is standing at the General Election, she will not flounce out of the count. More importantly, she will not embarass herself or other people by her behaviour,she will not letTamworth down.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2023 12:57:21 GMT
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Post by henry on Oct 20, 2023 13:30:49 GMT
Can't figure for the life of me which one you are not. I'm all 4... And throw into the pot:- Patriotic. Crying crocodile tears over Her Majesty whilst stepping over a homeless person. That's patriotism in modern day Britain......... Booking AirBNB when locals have to move out.
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Post by phileetin on Oct 20, 2023 13:32:16 GMT
what policies announced by labour address the issues you mention ?
if they can't announce their policies does that mean that they don't have any ? and if they don't have any then its just deja vu .
at least this time its the conservatives leaving the note saying " sorry theres no money left "
will labour introduce austerity to try and get borrowing down ? will they f**k
Why would Labour announce their Manifesto Policies now when if they were any good Tories would nick them and do nothing about them like all the other Manifesto pledges they broke, Government isn't about talking but actions UK Debt was £1 Trillion when the Tories took office in 2010 and have managed to increase it to £2.5 Trillion while imposing Austerity and wrecking Public Services. Don't bother replying about the £400Bn Covid Fiasco as most of that was syphoned of to Tory Donors, Fraud or Sheer Incompetence while everyone at 10 had a Jolly Good Party If Liz Truss hadn't wrecked the Economy in her disastrous 7 week Tenure the amount needed to Service the Debt due to higher interest rates would be considerably less even with the Enormous Debt Pile this shower have managed to accumulate without any visible return There is a huge difference in borrowing for Capital spending which generates growth and it's doesn't spook the Markets and increase Interest Rates like a Liz Tax Giveaway. But the Projects need to be selected and managed properly unlike the HS2 Fiasco which is an International embarrassment paying covid handouts at 80% of salary level for 18 months for doing nothing is a big chunk of that increase . inflation increase was also caused by pumping billions into the economy during covid . Labour supported both courses of action and even wanted to prolong it so by my reckoning if labour had been in power the situation would have been a lot worse .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 13:40:05 GMT
So to condone criminality for the greater good? Is it greedy to want to help the genuine cases and prosecute the many cases (£1bn was quoted) then? I think sometimes we deserve better than to get half the job. Pragmatically, yes. Almost any system can be gamed. Again, as has been pointed out by others on the thread, the mega rich also have ways of not contributing anything to society which can also be considered 'criminality' yet don't seem to angry up certain people's blood in anything like the same way. If you can prosecute the cheats while helping the genuine cases then marvellous, that's the ideal. If we're spending more time focusing on a minority of bad 'uns rather than on a system that helps the genuine then the priorities are wrong though. And the only way to effectively do that anyways is to spend more money in recruiting more people to investigate the practices. Ideally, they’d target the 50bn in Covid fraud by a few hundred extra wealthy persons first. Seems like the most cost-effective option.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 20, 2023 14:05:09 GMT
Why would Labour announce their Manifesto Policies now when if they were any good Tories would nick them and do nothing about them like all the other Manifesto pledges they broke, Government isn't about talking but actions UK Debt was £1 Trillion when the Tories took office in 2010 and have managed to increase it to £2.5 Trillion while imposing Austerity and wrecking Public Services. Don't bother replying about the £400Bn Covid Fiasco as most of that was syphoned of to Tory Donors, Fraud or Sheer Incompetence while everyone at 10 had a Jolly Good Party If Liz Truss hadn't wrecked the Economy in her disastrous 7 week Tenure the amount needed to Service the Debt due to higher interest rates would be considerably less even with the Enormous Debt Pile this shower have managed to accumulate without any visible return There is a huge difference in borrowing for Capital spending which generates growth and it's doesn't spook the Markets and increase Interest Rates like a Liz Tax Giveaway. But the Projects need to be selected and managed properly unlike the HS2 Fiasco which is an International embarrassment paying covid handouts at 80% of salary level for 18 months for doing nothing is a big chunk of that increase . inflation increase was also caused by pumping billions into the economy during covid . Labour supported both courses of action and even wanted to prolong it so by my reckoning if labour had been in power the situation would have been a lot worse . You can't just spout Bullshit some idiot down the Pub told you The Gross Cost of Furlough was £69Bn so after Tax and NI about £46Bn or just over 10% of the total cost www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-21/u-k-spent-almost-100-billion-supporting-furloughed-employeesInflation in 2020 was 0.85% and 2.59% in 2021 You're just making shit up www.statista.com/statistics/270384/inflation-rate-in-the-united-kingdom/Are you aware of how Parliamentary Government works? The people vote for Party's and the biggest one gets to Govern and make decisions. The Opposition Party's get to agree or criticise decisions but have NO Power to influence those decisions or what might have happened in a Parallel Universe
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Post by gawa on Oct 20, 2023 14:19:10 GMT
Pleased to see the tories lose a few seats. Always a positive. Just a shame its to Starmers Labour but still better than a tory.
Seems the reform votes made a big difference too. Let's hope the reform leader has a bigger set of balls than Farage and doesn't pull out all his candidates to help the tories like our Nige used to do.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 20, 2023 14:20:30 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? Respects the law? It was law not to break covid rules, it was set up by the tories Which house got issued with the most fixed penalties in Britain? Go on have a guess cobs lad I’m not talking about the Tories I’m talking about me. I think it’s fair to say that from the posts on here that Tory voters are more likely to support law and order whereas those on the left generally less supportive of police. At least that’s the impression I get. My point is that you can vote Labour without being left wing and that you can have some historically right views without voting Tory.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 20, 2023 14:34:20 GMT
Respects the law? It was law not to break covid rules, it was set up by the tories Which house got issued with the most fixed penalties in Britain? Go on have a guess cobs lad I’m not talking about the Tories I’m talking about me. Someone who believes in those 4 things certainly should not be voting tory at the next election.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2023 15:12:49 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2023 15:14:16 GMT
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