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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 20, 2023 8:18:50 GMT
A scandal of huge proportions. Do something else with the land rather than lining speculators pockets at bargain basement prices. Yet another sign of a failed govt amongst the hundreds of other signs. But hey at least we can lock up laughing gas dealers for 14 years now. So not all bad 😆
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2023 8:57:13 GMT
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Oct 20, 2023 9:01:22 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 20, 2023 9:03:53 GMT
This problem repeats throughout history. At present, it’s AI and automation. The last generation had computing, go back many, many years and you have things the spinning jenny (for example). Every generation has to compete with a novel change in technology that has them wondering why the skills they’ve worked so hard to build are becoming less valued. It's not so much that I think they're less valued or unskilled. I just don't think the cost savings are passed on to the consumers from technology advances. Too long to try to explain at this hour for me. The link I posted above the above posts actually suggests that since 2008 the trend in inequality has edged in a positive direction after having been negative since the 1980s. Although it is true that there has been a recent deterioration due to the impacts of the pandemic and inflation due to the war in Ukraine. The rich have been more shielded from these events. There is the question of what we consider to be wealth; is it purely financial? Obviously it mostly is, but I think there are other considerations. We tend to be more conscious of what we miss, and take for granted what we have. Young people today are far more disadvantaged when it comes to buying their own home than my generation, and some are quite bitter about it. On the other side of the coin, I can remember when I changed jobs in 1997 and my new employer presented me with a mobile phone. What a leap forward that was! But really they only did it to facilitate me being in closer contact and doing more work! Today a mobile phone is a multifunctional device that does almost everything for you and is considered an absolute essential of life by many. I went down the Blue John Caves some years ago and one visitor commented to the guide that he was being denied a human right. The guide asked "How?" The visitor said I have lost my signal on my phone. My point is that I agree that the rich have certainly benefitted more than the poor from advances in technology, certainly from the 1980s to the 2008 financial crisis, and probably during the current hiatus in Europe. (The US economy is surging, whilst the European economies are at best static.) But what we value most is also changing. I remember getting our first TV. We asked the man installing it what the switch on the side was for and he replied that is for when the new independent TV station becomes available. I can't keep up with how many TV stations there are today and the computer services to access almost every programme ever made! TV is also now a basic human right! We used to only eat food once that was in season; today you can go into any supermarket and by anything you want any day of the year, if you have the money of course. Clothing is another area. Previous generations bought clothing to last for as long as it could last and would repair (shoes notably) and darn things. Today the UK throws away over a third of a million tonnes of perfectly reusable clothing to landfill every year. So income of the bottom half of society may be worse, but many people take for granted now many things that were once a luxury or not even available to previous generations. People today are far more extravagant in their "behaviour".
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 20, 2023 9:24:37 GMT
What specifically do you think they'll do worse than this lot, out of interest?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 20, 2023 9:27:37 GMT
Show me where I’ve said that those deserving of benefits through sickness, mental health or that have paid into the pot through national insurance that are out of work but actively looking for a new job aren’t deserving of benefits. It’s people like them that should be getting benefits. The story you highlight is tragic. I appreciate it’s the Mail and not the Guardian but this is an interesting piece and is focused on the people I’m talking about. It focuses on how easy it is to play the system and gives those genuinly on benefits a bad reputation. www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3185928/amp/Undercover-reporter-films-benefits-fraudsters-boasting-cheating-TV-investigation.htmlGiven that less than half of the people that visit that site actually trust the information on there it baffles me why people keep referencing it 🤷🏻 I’m pretty sure you could say the same about most papers. I’d suggest the reports got some substance.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2023 9:28:49 GMT
What specifically do you think they'll do worse than this lot, out of interest? I was wondering this myself. Incidentally is this Crappy back again?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 20, 2023 9:30:33 GMT
What specifically do you think they'll do worse than this lot, out of interest? I was wondering this myself. Incidentally is this Crappy back again? Crappy could barely string two words together, so don't think it's him, happily.
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Post by toppercorner on Oct 20, 2023 9:30:53 GMT
'sadly' it's been a shit show of epic proportions with these corrupt clowns in charge. Nothing has improved. Everything is worse. We are all poorer for it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 20, 2023 9:32:25 GMT
Spot on, spending hours posting twitter links of known Lefty's is pointless Yawn....jog on Tory boy. So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th?
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Post by stokeson on Oct 20, 2023 9:39:23 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? Somone who thinks lining their own pocket at the expense of everyone else is ok.......
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Post by 4372 on Oct 20, 2023 9:40:27 GMT
Until recently, Tamworth was represented by a Tory MP who could not keep his hands in his pockets, and seemingly groped other people. In yesterday's by-election, the Tory candidate demonstrated his illiteracy and ignorance during the campaign, then showed his lack of manners when he walked out of the counting hall. This is the calibre of people that Tories have put in front of the people of Tamworth.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 20, 2023 9:41:14 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? If a few dishonest cases getting a 'free ride' is an unfortunate byproduct of a system that enables people who are genuinely struggling to get the support they need in tough times then then so be it tbh. There are bigger problems.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 20, 2023 9:44:33 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? You can vote for who you like. However the current lot routinely flout the law (Johnson, Sunak, Zahawi etc), not bothered about people having to work hard to get rich and give free rides (VIP lanes) and are sympathetic to not very peaceful protests (re asylum seekers) when it suits. So yes - by your own criteria you probably would be wrong.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2023 9:45:50 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? If a few dishonest cases getting a 'free ride' is an unfortunate byproduct of a system that enables people who are genuinely struggling to get the support they need in tough times then then so be it tbh. There are bigger problems. Careful now mate...you'll be accused of "whataboutery"
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2023 9:47:14 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? Ignorant Greedy Selfish Arrogant Delusional Occasionally Racist and so much more....
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Post by elystokie on Oct 20, 2023 9:56:05 GMT
Given that less than half of the people that visit that site actually trust the information on there it baffles me why people keep referencing it 🤷🏻 I’m pretty sure you could say the same about most papers. I’d suggest the reports got some substance. The only two I saw referenced significantly on the ofcom report I linked previously was The Mail and the Guardian, from memory 74% trusted what they read on the Guardian website compared with 47% that trust what they read on the Mail website. So of all the people on average that access the link you provided more will disbelieve it than believe it, providing the link would seem counter productive to your aims. Obviously I haven't read the report, I have a very valid reason not to believe a word they say.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Oct 20, 2023 9:57:21 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? So are you seriously suggesting that non-Tory voters are automatically incapable and therefore precluded from points 2-4?... *apologies if I've misunderstood you, but that's how I read it.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Oct 20, 2023 9:58:27 GMT
'sadly' it's been a shit show of epic proportions with these corrupt clowns in charge. Nothing has improved. Everything is worse. We are all poorer for it. Totally agree with everything you say...But Labour...FFS we are doomed
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Oct 20, 2023 10:00:04 GMT
What specifically do you think they'll do worse than this lot, out of interest? I was wondering this myself. Incidentally is this Crappy back again? Over spend, give in to the Unions, destroy the economy, like they did last time really.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Oct 20, 2023 10:01:19 GMT
I was wondering this myself. Incidentally is this Crappy back again? Over spend, give in to the Unions, destroy the economy, like they did last time really. Too right - these lads in charge for the last decade and a half have it bang on
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Oct 20, 2023 10:02:32 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? Ignorant Greedy Selfish Arrogant Delusional Occasionally Racist and so much more.... Trouble is, like most lefties, you are blinkered, and the minute anyone has the temerity to disagree with you you start lashing out calling all and sundry racist this racist that. Truth is you are a narrow minded bitter little man. Guess I'm gonna get banned...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2023 10:04:09 GMT
Ignorant Greedy Selfish Arrogant Delusional Occasionally Racist and so much more.... Trouble is, like most lefties, you are blinkered, and the minute anyone has the temerity to disagree with you you start lashing out calling all and sundry racist this racist that. Truth is you are a narrow minded bitter little man. Guess I'm gonna get banned... Like most lefties I care about society and the people in it. And I won't attempt to get you banned, never have never will.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 20, 2023 10:05:17 GMT
I was wondering this myself. Incidentally is this Crappy back again? Over spend, give in to the Unions, destroy the economy, like they did last time really. This lot have already had a bloody good go at two of those three things. What are you basing 'give in to the unions' on, the 1983 manifesto?
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Oct 20, 2023 10:06:23 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? Can't figure for the life of me which one you are not. I'm all 4... And throw into the pot:- Patriotic.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Oct 20, 2023 10:07:21 GMT
Trouble is, like most lefties, you are blinkered, and the minute anyone has the temerity to disagree with you you start lashing out calling all and sundry racist this racist that. Truth is you are a narrow minded bitter little man. Guess I'm gonna get banned... Like most lefties I care about society and the people in it. And I won't attempt to get you banned, never have never will. Back in the day anyone who disagreed with you mysteriously got banned...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2023 10:18:20 GMT
Like most lefties I care about society and the people in it. And I won't attempt to get you banned, never have never will. Back in the day anyone who disagreed with you mysteriously got banned... "Back in the day"? Aren't you a new poster? And I repeat, I have never attempted to get anyone banned.
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Post by stokeson on Oct 20, 2023 10:21:21 GMT
So what is a Tory? Someone that votes for them? Someone who respects law and order? Someone who feels hard work should be rewarded and people shouldn’t get a free ride? Someone who believes in peaceful protest? I’m 3 of the 4 (I’ll let you decide what one I’m not). If I agree with three of those points am I wrong to not go with the 4th? Can't figure for the life of me which one you are not. I'm all 4... And throw into the pot:- Patriotic. Ah Patriotism....The last refuge of the scoundrel.............
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Oct 20, 2023 10:27:03 GMT
Back in the day anyone who disagreed with you mysteriously got banned... "Back in the day"? Aren't you a new poster? And I repeat, I have never attempted to get anyone banned. Been around since the start...
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Post by phileetin on Oct 20, 2023 10:29:21 GMT
What specifically do you think they'll do worse than this lot, out of interest?
EVERYTHING
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