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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 27, 2023 10:30:44 GMT
She's right up your street then eh mate? We still on about Braverman? Nope, as you well know. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 27, 2023 10:33:47 GMT
It's nothing to do with fascism mate it's called nature. Godwins law doesn't work with me I'm afraid. She's right up your street then eh mate? Her comments were inadvertent |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 10:34:23 GMT
We still on about Braverman? Nope, as you well know. My apologies the video didn't appear before. I've not watched it and I can't at the minute but if you think she's a fascist then she probably isn't which means yea she's likely to be up my street. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 27, 2023 11:01:45 GMT
We can argue with the natural way of man - on a personal level it's called an ethical choice and on a social level it's called civilization. What you are describing is the world view that underpins fascism - it's the doctrine that sat at the heart of the Nazi regime and led to the gas chambers. Go visit Auschwitz and mourn the failure of your political philosophy there. It's nothing to do with fascism mate it's called nature. Godwins law doesn't work with me I'm afraid. It's everything to do with facism. What you described in your original post isn't nature its Social Darwinism - it is a social philosophy that not only tries to explain human behaviour in terms of "nature raw in tooth and claw" but also claims that as it's "natural" it's also how society should be ordered. The political manifestation of this doctrine is facism. If you believe what you said you are either a card carrying fascist or a pig ignorant apologist for facism. Which is it? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 27, 2023 11:03:16 GMT
You think everyone that doesn't agree with you is a fascist though mate so it means nothing when it comes from you. I think she's ace I do, she'd make a good PM. Genuine question. What makes her so ace and what evidence indicates that she would make a good PM? I have asked this on multiple occasions but he never says why. He is completely unable to demonstrate why he has an opinion or defend his opinion from any scrutiny whatsoever. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 11:03:26 GMT
It's nothing to do with fascism mate it's called nature. Godwins law doesn't work with me I'm afraid. It's everything to do with facism. What you described in your original post isn't nature its Social Darwinism - it is a social philosophy that not only tries to explain human behaviour in terms of "nature raw in tooth and claw" but also claims that as it's "natural" it's also how society should be ordered. The political manifestation of this doctrine is facism. If you believe what you said you are either a card carrying fascist or a pig ignorant apologist for facism. Which is it? It's not Fascism mate it's biology and the natural way of humans the world over and I agree with it, and anyone that doesn' I just cant take seriously. I'm proud that I agree with nature. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 27, 2023 11:04:19 GMT
My apologies the video didn't appear before. I've not watched it and I can't at the minute but if you think she's a fascist then she probably isn't which means yea she's likely to be up my street. Ditched Suella from your picture I see. Because you have realised how awful she is and how much of a failure she has been as Home Secretary and as AG before that? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 11:05:20 GMT
My apologies the video didn't appear before. I've not watched it and I can't at the minute but if you think she's a fascist then she probably isn't which means yea she's likely to be up my street. Ditched Suella from your picture I see. Because you have realised how awful she is and how much of a failure she has been as Home Secretary and as AG before that? I just like to update my profile pic occasionally mate, it's not that deep. I still think she's ace. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 27, 2023 11:05:47 GMT
It's everything to do with facism. What you described in your original post isn't nature its Social Darwinism - it is a social philosophy that not only tries to explain human behaviour in terms of "nature raw in tooth and claw" but also claims that as it's "natural" it's also how society should be ordered. The political manifestation of this doctrine is facism. If you believe what you said you are either a card carrying fascist or a pig ignorant apologist for facism. Which is it? It's not Fascism mate it's biology and the nature way of humans the world over and I agree with it. I'm proud that I agree with nature. Strange that the majority on here don’t hold this so called natural hatred towards different people that you and Suella share. Perhaps we are all more evolved and advanced than you. Survival of the fittest and all that. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 27, 2023 11:06:32 GMT
Ditched Suella from your picture I see. Because you have realised how awful she is and how much of a failure she has been as Home Secretary and as AG before that? I just like to update my profile pic occasionally mate, it's not that deep. I still think she's ace. Why do you think she is ace? She has failed every single objective she holds as Home Sec. Why does that make her ace? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 11:08:34 GMT
It's not Fascism mate it's biology and the nature way of humans the world over and I agree with it. I'm proud that I agree with nature. Strange that the majority on here don’t hold this so called natural hatred towards different people that you and Suella share. Perhaps we are all more evolved and advanced than you. Survival of the fittest and all that. No hatred from me mate, you've just made that up. Despite not representing wider society or Stoke fans in general most people on here WILL agree with me. A lefty pile on is how the internet works. If you stepped away from your laptop every now and then and ventured out into the real world you'd see that it's you in the minority with your anti British views. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 11:12:34 GMT
Aren't all governments a shambles at some point? Only the Torys if you believe the Labourites on here. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 27, 2023 11:19:25 GMT
It's everything to do with facism. What you described in your original post isn't nature its Social Darwinism - it is a social philosophy that not only tries to explain human behaviour in terms of "nature raw in tooth and claw" but also claims that as it's "natural" it's also how society should be ordered. The political manifestation of this doctrine is facism. If you believe what you said you are either a card carrying fascist or a pig ignorant apologist for facism. Which is it? It's not Fascism mate it's biology and the natural way of humans the world over and I agree with it, and anyone that doesn' I just cant take seriously. I'm proud that I agree with nature. You do not "agree with nature" - you agree with a particular sociological philosophy that claims to base itself on a particular view of nature. That crude view of nature is also pretty much discredited - there are as many examples of co-operation and coexistence as there competition in nature. In addition it is a fallacious argument to say that because something is like it is it should be like it is - it takes away human agency and ethical decision making. You have made a decision to base your political outlook on an outdated and discredited sociological doctrine that when implemented resulted in the Holocaust. Whether you have the balls or the self awareness to admit it or not you are a fascist. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 11:21:18 GMT
It's not Fascism mate it's biology and the natural way of humans the world over and I agree with it, and anyone that doesn' I just cant take seriously. I'm proud that I agree with nature. You do not "agree with nature" - you agree with a particular sociological philosophy that claims to base itself on a particular view of nature. That crude view of nature is also pretty much discredited - there are as many examples of co-operation and coexistence as there competition in nature. In addition it is a fallacious argument to say that because something is like it is it should be like it is - it takes away human agency and ethical decision making. You have made a decision to base your political outlook on an outdated and discredited sociological doctrine that when implemented resulted in the Holocaust. Whether you have the balls or the self awareness to admit it or not you are a fascist. You are wrong mate it's definitely nature and I agree with it. I'd side with nature and human instincts before I'd side with what a far left wing anti British idealog thinks. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 27, 2023 11:23:05 GMT
Strange that the majority on here don’t hold this so called natural hatred towards different people that you and Suella share. Perhaps we are all more evolved and advanced than you. Survival of the fittest and all that. No hatred from me mate, you've just made that up. Despite not representing wider society or Stoke fans in general most people on here WILL agree with me. A lefty pile on is how the internet works. If you stepped away from your laptop every now and then and ventured out into the real world you'd see that it's you in the minority with your anti British views. Most Stoke fans and the majority of people on here DON'T agree with you. Back in the day the Blackshirts got hounded off the streets - get back out there again and you'll be hounded off them again. We have a proud history of seeing off fascists. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 27, 2023 11:24:49 GMT
You do not "agree with nature" - you agree with a particular sociological philosophy that claims to base itself on a particular view of nature. That crude view of nature is also pretty much discredited - there are as many examples of co-operation and coexistence as there competition in nature. In addition it is a fallacious argument to say that because something is like it is it should be like it is - it takes away human agency and ethical decision making. You have made a decision to base your political outlook on an outdated and discredited sociological doctrine that when implemented resulted in the Holocaust. Whether you have the balls or the self awareness to admit it or not you are a fascist. You are wrong mate it's definitely nature and I agree with it. I'd side with nature and human instincts before I'd side with what a far left wing anti British idealog thinks. Being British does not mean holding a fascist world view. You really have outed yourself haven't you? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 11:55:03 GMT
No hatred from me mate, you've just made that up. Despite not representing wider society or Stoke fans in general most people on here WILL agree with me. A lefty pile on is how the internet works. If you stepped away from your laptop every now and then and ventured out into the real world you'd see that it's you in the minority with your anti British views. Most Stoke fans and the majority of people on here DON'T agree with you. Back in the day the Blackshirts got hounded off the streets - get back out there again and you'll be hounded off them again. We have a proud history of seeing off fascists. Most stoke fans and the majority of people DO agree with me mate. I'd of hounded the blackshirts off the street as well although they seemed quite welcome in the Potteries, id of hounded the communists as well though. There is a reason we aren't a marxist state, we don't want your ideology here. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 11:55:42 GMT
You are wrong mate it's definitely nature and I agree with it. I'd side with nature and human instincts before I'd side with what a far left wing anti British idealog thinks. Being British does not mean holding a fascist world view. You really have outed yourself haven't you? I totally agree , it also doesn't mean holding a woke anti British view such as your own. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 27, 2023 12:22:07 GMT
Being British does not mean holding a fascist world view. You really have outed yourself haven't you? I totally agree , it also doesn't mean holding a woke anti British view such as your own. I'm not anti British - I'm anti fascist. The British people on the whole aren't fascist. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 27, 2023 12:30:38 GMT
Most Stoke fans and the majority of people on here DON'T agree with you. Back in the day the Blackshirts got hounded off the streets - get back out there again and you'll be hounded off them again. We have a proud history of seeing off fascists. Most stoke fans and the majority of people DO agree with me mate. I'd of hounded the blackshirts off the street as well although they seemed quite welcome in the Potteries, id of hounded the communists as well though. There is a reason we aren't a marxist state, we don't want your ideology here. We aren't a Marxist state and I'm not a Marxist. We live in a Liberal Democracy and have a right of centre government that is is in no way Marxist. I am not a Marxist. I'd describe myself as a liberal/social democrat - centre left but no way I'm a Marxist because I believe a free market is an essential feature of a functioning liberal democracy. Unlike you I actually know what my politics is called, I'm not afraid to admit to what I am and I don't claim to be the true voice of the British people - I'm just not that deluded. |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 12:40:10 GMT
I totally agree , it also doesn't mean holding a woke anti British view such as your own. I'm not anti British - I'm anti fascist. The British people on the whole aren't fascist. I wouldn't say the British people are anti fascist, certainly not how you mean. We don't like facism but we don't like wokery or communism neither. |
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 27, 2023 12:40:39 GMT
It's nothing to do with fascism mate it's called nature. Godwins law doesn't work with me I'm afraid. She's right up your street then eh mate? Worse than bailey and that takes some doing |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 12:41:40 GMT
Most stoke fans and the majority of people DO agree with me mate. I'd of hounded the blackshirts off the street as well although they seemed quite welcome in the Potteries, id of hounded the communists as well though. There is a reason we aren't a marxist state, we don't want your ideology here. We aren't a Marxist state and I'm not a Marxist. We live in a Liberal Democracy and have a right of centre government that is is in no way Marxist. I am not a Marxist. I'd describe myself as a liberal/social democrat - centre left but no way I'm a Marxist because I believe a free market is an essential feature of a functioning liberal democracy. Unlike you I actually know what my politics is called, I'm not afraid to admit to what I am and I don't claim to be the true voice of the British people - I'm just not that deluded. You're right we aren't marxist we thoroughly reject it. I aren't afraid to admit what I am mate in fact I'm proud of it I'm happy to shout it from the roof tops because I know I'm right in how I see things . |
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 27, 2023 12:43:08 GMT
We still on about Braverman? Nope, as you well know. No we're on about yet another tory racist their are so many to choose from |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 27, 2023 12:48:10 GMT
It's nothing to do with fascism mate it's called nature. Godwins law doesn't work with me I'm afraid. She's right up your street then eh mate? If Carlsberg did car crash interviews.. 🤦 |
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 27, 2023 12:50:17 GMT
Braverman is a fascist. But what gets to me the most is that, considering her own and her family's background, she has the brass neck to lecture others on multiculturalism and immigration. She's wrong on so many things that she's become a laughing stock. I come from an age when we really were pretty much all white and British and I'm still here now we've become a truly diverse multicultural society. Which would I prefer? A million times I'd choose how we are now. Multiculturalism has added so much richness in so many areas of society that only a fool would deny it has worked. Of course there are aberrations but no society is perfect and that was certainly true when we were all white and British. Braverman will appeal to the extremists but thankfully, most of us are not. I wish she'd fall off her flat earth.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 27, 2023 13:19:26 GMT
Braverman is a fascist. But what gets to me the most is that, considering her own and her family's background, she has the brass neck to lecture others on multiculturalism and immigration. She's wrong on so many things that she's become a laughing stock. I come from an age when we really were pretty much all white and British and I'm still here now we've become a truly diverse multicultural society. Which would I prefer? A million times I'd choose how we are now. Multiculturalism has added so much richness in so many areas of society that only a fool would deny it has worked. Of course there are aberrations but no society is perfect and that was certainly true when we were all white and British. Braverman will appeal to the extremists but thankfully, most of us are not. I wish she'd fall off her flat earth. OS. Fine words well said! |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 27, 2023 13:39:31 GMT
We aren't a Marxist state and I'm not a Marxist. We live in a Liberal Democracy and have a right of centre government that is is in no way Marxist. I am not a Marxist. I'd describe myself as a liberal/social democrat - centre left but no way I'm a Marxist because I believe a free market is an essential feature of a functioning liberal democracy. Unlike you I actually know what my politics is called, I'm not afraid to admit to what I am and I don't claim to be the true voice of the British people - I'm just not that deluded. You're right we aren't marxist we thoroughly reject it. I aren't afraid to admit what I am mate in fact I'm proud of it I'm happy to shout it from the roof tops because I know I'm right in how I see things . You either aren't admitting what you are or you don't know the roots of the political opinions you are expressing. Your opinions about nature and human nature are straight out of a Social Darwinist text book. The political expression of Social Darwinism hit it's heights with Nazi Germany. Your politics is rooted firmly in the fascist tradition and yet you continually refuse to admit you are a fascist. So I repeat - are you a fascist or do you just spout things without the slightest clue as to where those ideas and beliefs came from or where they will lead? |
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 13:43:48 GMT
You're right we aren't marxist we thoroughly reject it. I aren't afraid to admit what I am mate in fact I'm proud of it I'm happy to shout it from the roof tops because I know I'm right in how I see things . You either aren't admitting what you are or you don't know the roots of the political opinions you are expressing. Your opinions about nature and human nature are straight out of a Social Darwinist text book. The political expression of Social Darwinism hit it's heights with Nazi Germany. Your politics is rooted firmly in the fascist tradition and yet you continually refuse to admit you are a fascist. So I repeat - are you a fascist or do you just spout things without the slightest clue as to where those ideas and beliefs came from or where they will lead? You are wrong mate on every point that you tried to make. You can't argue with biology and nature, if you think biology and nature is fascist then that doesn't surprise me at all. Am I a fascist- By your standards and people like Huddys standards yes absolutely so and proud of it. But if you take the actual definition of the word and if you know what it actually means then no I'm not. Are you an extreme left wing fascist? |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 27, 2023 14:19:27 GMT
We aren't a Marxist state and I'm not a Marxist. We live in a Liberal Democracy and have a right of centre government that is is in no way Marxist. I am not a Marxist. I'd describe myself as a liberal/social democrat - centre left but no way I'm a Marxist because I believe a free market is an essential feature of a functioning liberal democracy. Unlike you I actually know what my politics is called, I'm not afraid to admit to what I am and I don't claim to be the true voice of the British people - I'm just not that deluded. You're right we aren't marxist we thoroughly reject it. I aren't afraid to admit what I am mate in fact I'm proud of it I'm happy to shout it from the roof tops because I know I'm right in how I see things .
Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. Voltaire |
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