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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 6, 2021 14:13:30 GMT
Legendary stuff 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 6, 2021 14:41:35 GMT
But how far back do you want to go with this historical blame. Cameron for calling the referendum? The EU for refusing to renegotiate our membership which led to the referendum? Brown for losing the 2010 election? Heath for taking us into the original EEC? How about looking a bit closer to home at the narcissistic egotist Sturgeon as the person trying to orchestrate the break up of the Union. In my opinion the blame mostly lies with Cameron for calling the referendum in the first place and expecting a remain vote. When the leave vote won he didn’t know what the fuck to do so he resigned leaving a legacy of division through the whole of the UK which Sturgeon is hell bent on continuing. So what happens after a second Scottish referendum? Whichever side wins will leave even more division in Scotland, if a remain vote wins, and a break up of the Union if leave vote wins. It’s just not as simple as saying Boris broke up the Union because he was the leader who took us out of the EU. In my opinion of course. I would place most of the blame on Cameron too. But you can't just pretend that Johnson just happened to be the incumbent tasked with the knotty job of honouring the referendum result. It was a result he schemed and pushed for from the outset despite clearly having no understanding of what it might entail Well, quite. Whoever you want to point the finger at individually, it's essentially been a Tory driven mess. It doesn't matter if a number of non-Tories also eventually campaigned for Leave once the referendum was announced, in essence it was a right-wing process designed mainly to keep the Tory Party from fracturing. Let's not pretend it was about what's good for the country, although they've managed quite clearly to convince a good number of people that was the case! Freedom, sovereignty, no immigrants etc. In terms of individual characters, Johnson was one of the figureheads, along with Gove, of the official Vote Leave campaign. Popo, as the Germans call him (meaning Arse!), was forever driving round the country on his big red bus promising this that and the other!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 6, 2021 17:55:01 GMT
Feel free to explain why I'm wrong rather than chucking out childish replies. I see where you’re going with this. Boris took us out of the EU, in accordance with the result of the referendum but some of the population of the UK voted to stay. It’s the Scottish remainers who now want to break up the UK. By your logic shouldn’t it be Cameron who is responsible or maybe the EU for not renegotiating our membership in 2015. But of course it doesn’t fit your Boris bashing agenda. Hope this explains why your comment is stupid wrong. Clearly my post doesn't fit your Tory agenda eh? Feel free to explain to me how you have the gall to support a proven liar? Hopefully this explains why your reply is stupid/wrong.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 6, 2021 17:56:13 GMT
Remind me which politician was at the forefront of the Vote Leave campaign before 'taking us out of the EU in accordance with the result of the referendum'? But how far back do you want to go with this historical blame. Cameron for calling the referendum? The EU for refusing to renegotiate our membership which led to the referendum? Brown for losing the 2010 election? Heath for taking us into the original EEC? How about looking a bit closer to home at the narcissistic egotist Sturgeon as the person trying to orchestrate the break up of the Union. In my opinion the blame mostly lies with Cameron for calling the referendum in the first place and expecting a remain vote. When the leave vote won he didn’t know what the fuck to do so he resigned leaving a legacy of division through the whole of the UK which Sturgeon is hell bent on continuing. So what happens after a second Scottish referendum? Whichever side wins will leave even more division in Scotland, if a remain vote wins, and a break up of the Union if leave vote wins. It’s just not as simple as saying Boris broke up the Union because he was the leader who took us out of the EU. In my opinion of course. You need to stop, you're making a bit of a tit of yourself here pal.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 6, 2021 19:18:05 GMT
But how far back do you want to go with this historical blame. Cameron for calling the referendum? The EU for refusing to renegotiate our membership which led to the referendum? Brown for losing the 2010 election? Heath for taking us into the original EEC? How about looking a bit closer to home at the narcissistic egotist Sturgeon as the person trying to orchestrate the break up of the Union. In my opinion the blame mostly lies with Cameron for calling the referendum in the first place and expecting a remain vote. When the leave vote won he didn’t know what the fuck to do so he resigned leaving a legacy of division through the whole of the UK which Sturgeon is hell bent on continuing. So what happens after a second Scottish referendum? Whichever side wins will leave even more division in Scotland, if a remain vote wins, and a break up of the Union if leave vote wins. It’s just not as simple as saying Boris broke up the Union because he was the leader who took us out of the EU. In my opinion of course. You need to stop, you're making a bit of a tit of yourself here pal. As I said, it doesn’t fit your agenda. Resorting to personal insults is sure sign you have no argument......I rest my case.
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Post by followyoudown on May 6, 2021 21:20:33 GMT
I see where you’re going with this. Boris took us out of the EU, in accordance with the result of the referendum but some of the population of the UK voted to stay. It’s the Scottish remainers who now want to break up the UK. By your logic shouldn’t it be Cameron who is responsible or maybe the EU for not renegotiating our membership in 2015. But of course it doesn’t fit your Boris bashing agenda. Hope this explains why your comment is stupid wrong. Clearly my post doesn't fit your Tory agenda eh? Feel free to explain to me how you have the gall to support a proven liar? Hopefully this explains why your reply is stupid/wrong. I imagine like the majority of the country and unlike you he didn't want a racist lying jew hating terrorist supporting tosser to be PM
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 6, 2021 21:24:33 GMT
Clearly my post doesn't fit your Tory agenda eh? Feel free to explain to me how you have the gall to support a proven liar? Hopefully this explains why your reply is stupid/wrong. I imagine like the majority of the country and unlike you he didn't want a racist lying jew hating terrorist supporting tosser to be PM Rent. Free.
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Post by partickpotter on May 7, 2021 6:58:03 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 7, 2021 7:08:25 GMT
It's incredible how much working class communities are resonating with Boris. They love him. I think the fact that the media have targeted him so heavily over the last year has worked wonders for him, its almost like this is the people fighting back. 2024 looks likely to be the biggest landslide in British history. As much as I love that thought, we really do need some remotely competent opposition - it's healthy for any democracy. Just sack Labour off. Its finished.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 7, 2021 7:08:51 GMT
It's not that daft! Woman I work with likes Boris because "I think he's funny" and for a lot of people that's about as far as it gets! You have to remember a huge number of people couldn't give a shit about politics and care even less, so funny hair and being a character works for them.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 7, 2021 7:17:46 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 7, 2021 7:20:48 GMT
That might well be the case. Even more astonishing that working class people think old Etonians care about/represent them! A genuinely impressive trick to pull off!
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Post by partickpotter on May 7, 2021 7:23:56 GMT
It's incredible how much working class communities are resonating with Boris. They love him. I think the fact that the media have targeted him so heavily over the last year has worked wonders for him, its almost like this is the people fighting back. 2024 looks likely to be the biggest landslide in British history. As much as I love that thought, we really do need some remotely competent opposition - it's healthy for any democracy. Just sack Labour off. Its finished. Don’t write them off just yet. The world’s first scouse/manc is still out there. Not sure though how Labour can bring him into the parliamentary fold to become leader. I’ve no doubt he would get far greater cut through than Starmer.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 7, 2021 7:26:03 GMT
It's incredible how much working class communities are resonating with Boris. They love him. I think the fact that the media have targeted him so heavily over the last year has worked wonders for him, its almost like this is the people fighting back. 2024 looks likely to be the biggest landslide in British history. As much as I love that thought, we really do need some remotely competent opposition - it's healthy for any democracy. Just sack Labour off. Its finished. spot on re Boris being bullied by the media. If the media were less targeted with their vitriol people might just start believing some of what’s being said rather than it’s just bullying. If there was less opinion based reporting people might just be able to make their own minds up and Labour might get more votes.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 7, 2021 7:29:12 GMT
It's incredible how much working class communities are resonating with Boris. They love him. I think the fact that the media have targeted him so heavily over the last year has worked wonders for him, its almost like this is the people fighting back. 2024 looks likely to be the biggest landslide in British history. As much as I love that thought, we really do need some remotely competent opposition - it's healthy for any democracy. Just sack Labour off. Its finished. spot on re Boris being bullied by the media. If the media were less targeted with their vitriol people might just start believing some of what’s being said rather than it’s just bullying. If there was less opinion based reporting people might just be able to make their own minds up and Labour might get more votes. Again, what 'media' specifically? Who are you referring to?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 7, 2021 7:32:26 GMT
You need to stop, you're making a bit of a tit of yourself here pal. As I said, it doesn’t fit your agenda. Resorting to personal insults is sure sign you have no argument......I rest my case. I think you'll find if you look back that it's you that started with the personal insults mate. Again, trying to twist the narrative to make you look good really isn't a good look.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 7, 2021 7:33:41 GMT
I imagine like the majority of the country and unlike you he didn't want a racist lying jew hating terrorist supporting tosser to be PM Rent. Free. And without doubt the biggest idiot on this board. And that takes some doing.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 7, 2021 7:33:49 GMT
It's incredible how much working class communities are resonating with Boris. They love him. I think the fact that the media have targeted him so heavily over the last year has worked wonders for him, its almost like this is the people fighting back. 2024 looks likely to be the biggest landslide in British history. As much as I love that thought, we really do need some remotely competent opposition - it's healthy for any democracy. Just sack Labour off. Its finished. Don’t write them off just yet. The world’s first scouse/manc is still out there. Not sure though how Labour can bring him into the parliamentary fold to become leader. I’ve no doubt he would get far greater cut through than Starmer. Burnham is just about the only Labour MP/mayor I'd be concerned about. You'd imagine the militant left momentum mob that have seized the party wouldn't allow it though.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 7, 2021 7:36:11 GMT
spot on re Boris being bullied by the media. If the media were less targeted with their vitriol people might just start believing some of what’s being said rather than it’s just bullying. If there was less opinion based reporting people might just be able to make their own minds up and Labour might get more votes. Again, what 'media' specifically? Who are you referring to? I must admit I'm curious myself. What planet are these people living on?
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Post by Veritas on May 7, 2021 7:39:13 GMT
spot on re Boris being bullied by the media. If the media were less targeted with their vitriol people might just start believing some of what’s being said rather than it’s just bullying. If there was less opinion based reporting people might just be able to make their own minds up and Labour might get more votes. Again, what 'media' specifically? Who are you referring to? The plethora of left of centre papers such as The Guardian and err?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 7, 2021 7:40:45 GMT
Again, what 'media' specifically? Who are you referring to? I must admit I'm curious myself. What planet are these people living on? I don't get the 'bullying' accusation either? Is the bullying people highlighting him breaking the ministerial code or the nonsense with his flat that's nobody else's fault but his? The only 'vitriol' I've seen from recent weeks is from Cummings, who not so long ago was apparently himself no more than a loving father doing what he had to do and in the crosshairs of a vindictive media saying nasty things about him thinking he was above the rules and making jokes about his eyesight?
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Post by partickpotter on May 7, 2021 7:51:08 GMT
Don’t write them off just yet. The world’s first scouse/manc is still out there. Not sure though how Labour can bring him into the parliamentary fold to become leader. I’ve no doubt he would get far greater cut through than Starmer. Burnham is just about the only Labour MP/mayor I'd be concerned about. You'd imagine the militant left momentum mob that have seized the party wouldn't allow it though. Just finished reading Britain's War: Into Battle, 1937-1941 by Daniel Todman which is more of a British social / political history of WW2 rather than a military one. It’s a fascinating read. Particularly Churchill’s first year as PM when pretty much one year to the day after the Norway fiasco that led to Chamberlain’s resignation, Churchill found himself in a similar pickle after the debacle in Greece which could easily have led to him getting punted. Anyway, what saved Churchill was a combination of his bombastic optimism and resilience along with an ability to resonate with the public mood. It wasn’t from any love within his own party, a significant number of whom loathed him. It also wasn’t because he was a particularly competent leader... he wasn’t. He fucked up time and again. But, he kept at it. And, ultimately, got the big decisions right. Remind you of anyone? (Btw... another fascinating thing with that book is the role of Labour in the war government. They, at that time, were the party of ideas whereas the Tories effectively had none. It was the work Attlee et all did in those years that paved the way for the Britain that followed the war)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 7, 2021 7:52:36 GMT
Clearly my post doesn't fit your Tory agenda eh? Feel free to explain to me how you have the gall to support a proven liar? Hopefully this explains why your reply is stupid/wrong. I imagine like the majority of the country and unlike you he didn't want a racist lying jew hating terrorist supporting tosser to be PM The same one who held Hartlepool twice? With an increased vote share? That one? Took out Theresa May in 2017? That one?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 7, 2021 7:58:01 GMT
I imagine like the majority of the country and unlike you he didn't want a racist lying jew hating terrorist supporting tosser to be PM The same one who held Hartlepool twice? With an increased vote share? That one? Took out Theresa May in 2017? That one? He took out Theresa May by losing an election to her 🤣 You know Labour is fucked when they celebrate defeats. It's over dude. Find a new party.☺️
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Post by crapslinger on May 7, 2021 7:59:13 GMT
I'm still unsure as to whether you're a tiresome WUM or an idiot. You've got a serious chip on your shoulder haven't you? You can't be this bitter and dull in real life? Just because you're renowned on here as a tedious, boring dope whose creepily obsessed with anti Conservative tweets, don't take your anger out on others! 😉 He used to be a teacher I will have you know God help the kids he taught. He's a very poor loser is Paul.
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Post by crapslinger on May 7, 2021 8:01:50 GMT
The same one who held Hartlepool twice? With an increased vote share? That one? Took out Theresa May in 2017? That one? He took out Theresa May by losing an election to her 🤣 You know Labour is fucked when they celebrate defeats. It's over dude. Find a new party.☺️ Communism has no chance though maybe he could move to Scotland and vote for wee jimmy Trotsky.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 7, 2021 8:03:21 GMT
It won't happen but now all we need is Lozza Fox or Bailey to win wokie Central.
Andy Street is an outstanding mayor so fingers crossed he takes the Midlands again.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 7, 2021 8:07:30 GMT
The same one who held Hartlepool twice? With an increased vote share? That one? Took out Theresa May in 2017? That one? He took out Theresa May by losing an election to her 🤣 You know Labour is fucked when they celebrate defeats. It's over dude. Find a new party.☺️ Your grasp of history is the same as your grasp of fact, clueless.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 7, 2021 8:07:39 GMT
The left isn't helped by its identity politics obsessed, divisive, racist rhetoric. Who can forget this disgusting image from the most disgusting rag of all...
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 7, 2021 8:52:51 GMT
spot on re Boris being bullied by the media. If the media were less targeted with their vitriol people might just start believing some of what’s being said rather than it’s just bullying. If there was less opinion based reporting people might just be able to make their own minds up and Labour might get more votes. Again, what 'media' specifically? Who are you referring to? BBC are probably the most guilty.
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