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Post by maxplonk on Aug 6, 2020 6:14:03 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 6:58:06 GMT
Sleaze may come to define this government. Those dodgy deals for PPE with shell companies set up by "friends" of government ministers will come to light eventually and it won't look good. Although, saying that, people were still perfectly happy to re-elect a government quite happy to piss £50mill away on ferryless ferry companies... See the BBC has picked up on what maxplonk was posting about too... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841
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Post by maxplonk on Aug 6, 2020 8:27:44 GMT
Sleaze may come to define this government. Those dodgy deals for PPE with shell companies set up by "friends" of government ministers will come to light eventually and it won't look good. Although, saying that, people were still perfectly happy to re-elect a government quite happy to piss £50mill away on ferryless ferry companies... See the BBC has picked up on what maxplonk was posting about too... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841Apparently the Times mentions it today as well. 🤔
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 9:03:01 GMT
Sleaze may come to define this government. Those dodgy deals for PPE with shell companies set up by "friends" of government ministers will come to light eventually and it won't look good. Although, saying that, people were still perfectly happy to re-elect a government quite happy to piss £50mill away on ferryless ferry companies... See the BBC has picked up on what maxplonk was posting about too... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841Apparently the Times mentions it today as well. 🤔 Has the whiff of the same kind of sleaze that Robert Jenrick was up to his neck in.
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 6, 2020 9:04:15 GMT
Tories ridiculed for absurd Brexit advert claiming the UK and EU are 'equals' link
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 6, 2020 9:11:14 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 6, 2020 11:34:35 GMT
Sleaze may come to define this government. Those dodgy deals for PPE with shell companies set up by "friends" of government ministers will come to light eventually and it won't look good. Although, saying that, people were still perfectly happy to re-elect a government quite happy to piss £50mill away on ferryless ferry companies... See the BBC has picked up on what maxplonk was posting about too... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841It also highlights just how piss poor the opposition was in the December 2019 election for as bad as the Tory party was/is ordinary working class voters trusted them more than the Marxist lead Labour Party. Starmer will stand a better chance in the next election when he rids his Party of the Trots, Marxists and momentum, he is after all a Tory in a red tie, socialism is a spent force in the UK.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 12:04:05 GMT
Sleaze may come to define this government. Those dodgy deals for PPE with shell companies set up by "friends" of government ministers will come to light eventually and it won't look good. Although, saying that, people were still perfectly happy to re-elect a government quite happy to piss £50mill away on ferryless ferry companies... See the BBC has picked up on what maxplonk was posting about too... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841It also highlights just how piss poor the opposition was in the December 2019 election for as bad as the Tory party was/is ordinary working class voters trusted them more than the Marxist lead Labour Party. Starmer will stand a better chance in the next election when he rids his Party of the Trots, Marxists and momentum, he is after all a Tory in a red tie, socialism is a spent force in the UK. No fan of Corbyn, who was never going to be elected in an essentially right-wing country like England, but the overwhelming reason the Bluffer got elected was because your average person in the street was fed up of hearing about Brexit and just wanted it to go away. As in-depth as that. Cummings knew that full well, hence the election campaign being based entirely on it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 6, 2020 12:05:00 GMT
Sleaze may come to define this government. Those dodgy deals for PPE with shell companies set up by "friends" of government ministers will come to light eventually and it won't look good. Although, saying that, people were still perfectly happy to re-elect a government quite happy to piss £50mill away on ferryless ferry companies... See the BBC has picked up on what maxplonk was posting about too... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53672841It also highlights just how piss poor the opposition was in the December 2019 election for as bad as the Tory party was/is ordinary working class voters trusted them more than the Marxist lead Labour Party. Starmer will stand a better chance in the next election when he rids his Party of the Trots, Marxists and momentum, he is after all a Tory in a red tie, socialism is a spent force in the UK. Of the course the lying. bumbling, criminal, right wing toss pot Bullingdon Boys wont have Brexit to con people with in the next election.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 6, 2020 12:50:11 GMT
It also highlights just how piss poor the opposition was in the December 2019 election for as bad as the Tory party was/is ordinary working class voters trusted them more than the Marxist lead Labour Party. Starmer will stand a better chance in the next election when he rids his Party of the Trots, Marxists and momentum, he is after all a Tory in a red tie, socialism is a spent force in the UK. No fan of Corbyn, who was never going to be elected in an essentially right-wing country like England, but the overwhelming reason the Bluffer got elected was because your average person in the street was fed up of hearing about Brexit and just wanted it to go away. As in-depth as that. Cummings knew that full well, hence the election campaign being based entirely on it. Brexit was part of the reason the electorate turned their back on Labour but not the main reason, Corbyn his Marxist cronies and their policies did not have the trust of working class ordinary people as I said before socialism is pretty much dead in the UK apart from a few left wing loons and freaks, ordinary people have had enough of these freaks and have shown them the exit door.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 6, 2020 12:54:46 GMT
No fan of Corbyn, who was never going to be elected in an essentially right-wing country like England, but the overwhelming reason the Bluffer got elected was because your average person in the street was fed up of hearing about Brexit and just wanted it to go away. As in-depth as that. Cummings knew that full well, hence the election campaign being based entirely on it. socialism is pretty much dead in the UK apart from a few left wing loons and freaks, ordinary people have had enough of these freaks and have shown them the exit door. And embraced being lied to and being laughed at with a healthy dose of criminality. You can't say they didn't ask for it though, I'm laughing at you too
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 6, 2020 14:51:19 GMT
No fan of Corbyn, who was never going to be elected in an essentially right-wing country like England, but the overwhelming reason the Bluffer got elected was because your average person in the street was fed up of hearing about Brexit and just wanted it to go away. As in-depth as that. Cummings knew that full well, hence the election campaign being based entirely on it. Brexit was part of the reason the electorate turned their back on Labour but not the main reason, Corbyn his Marxist cronies and their policies did not have the trust of working class ordinary people as I said before socialism is pretty much dead in the UK apart from a few left wing loons and freaks, ordinary people have had enough of these freaks and have shown them the exit door. Being sick of hearing about it was the overwhelming reason for voting in the Bluffer, hence the campaign that the Tories ran under the Grand Vizier Dominic Cummings. I agree that England in particular has lurched significantly to the right.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 6, 2020 20:38:30 GMT
socialism is pretty much dead in the UK apart from a few left wing loons and freaks, ordinary people have had enough of these freaks and have shown them the exit door. And embraced being lied to and being laughed at with a healthy dose of criminality. You can't say they didn't ask for it though, I'm laughing at you too Will you be celebrating when the Tory in a red tie gets into power as a true socialist ? you can laugh all you like Mo the socialist dream is dead in the UK and you know it, the last socialist government in this country was Clement Attlee in 1951 ask Huddy he remembers it well I would bet my house on there not been another one in the next 70 years
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 6, 2020 20:48:57 GMT
Brexit was part of the reason the electorate turned their back on Labour but not the main reason, Corbyn his Marxist cronies and their policies did not have the trust of working class ordinary people as I said before socialism is pretty much dead in the UK apart from a few left wing loons and freaks, ordinary people have had enough of these freaks and have shown them the exit door. Being sick of hearing about it was the overwhelming reason for voting in the Bluffer, hence the campaign that the Tories ran under the Grand Vizier Dominic Cummings. I agree that England in particular has lurched significantly to the right. You need to take your head out the sand or you will carry on having your arse kicked, your socialist dream is as dead as the Norwegian Blue it's only on the perch because some twat has nailed it on, lurched significantly to the right under who Tony Bliar the mass Muslim murdering war criminal
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 6, 2020 21:23:31 GMT
And embraced being lied to and being laughed at with a healthy dose of criminality. You can't say they didn't ask for it though, I'm laughing at you too Will you be celebrating when the Tory in a red tie gets into power as a true socialist ? you can laugh all you like Mo the socialist dream is dead in the UK and you know it, the last socialist government in this country was Clement Attlee in 1951 ask Huddy he remembers it well I would bet my house on there not been another one in the next 70 years Whether you're right or wrong, read this thread. This is what you're supporting, this is what you voted for, this is what you're celebrating. They are laughing at you I'm afraid crappy and the whole so called 'red wall who voted for them. They're laughing so hard they've soiled themselves!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 7, 2020 5:37:08 GMT
Will you be celebrating when the Tory in a red tie gets into power as a true socialist ? you can laugh all you like Mo the socialist dream is dead in the UK and you know it, the last socialist government in this country was Clement Attlee in 1951 ask Huddy he remembers it well I would bet my house on there not been another one in the next 70 years Whether you're right or wrong, read this thread. This is what you're supporting, this is what you voted for, this is what you're celebrating. They are laughing at you I'm afraid crappy and the whole so called 'red wall who voted for them. They're laughing so hard they've soiled themselves! ‘craps’ says socialism is dead but so is British local company Toryism! Copeland in Stoke, Heath in Stoke, Bass in Burton. One of the few local Tory manufacturers left is Bamford in Rocester? All we have now is faceless multi-national capitalism taking decisions affecting British workers thousands of miles away! It isn’t just socialism that is dead but local capitalism too!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 7, 2020 9:04:35 GMT
Being sick of hearing about it was the overwhelming reason for voting in the Bluffer, hence the campaign that the Tories ran under the Grand Vizier Dominic Cummings. I agree that England in particular has lurched significantly to the right. You need to take your head out the sand or you will carry on having your arse kicked, your socialist dream is as dead as the Norwegian Blue it's only on the perch because some twat has nailed it on, lurched significantly to the right under who Tony Bliar the mass Muslim murdering war criminal That's a not entirely unexpected one-eyed way of looking at it, I guess. It's more accurate to look at the entire picture from the start. So Thatcher kicked off the lurch to the right in 79, abandoning the post war consensus for a mixed economy and, instead, embracing monetarism and free market capitalism. Major moderated this a little, Blair moderated it further, before the current lot have kicked England even further towards the right. However you look at it, the end result is a right-wing England.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 7, 2020 9:06:50 GMT
You need to take your head out the sand or you will carry on having your arse kicked, your socialist dream is as dead as the Norwegian Blue it's only on the perch because some twat has nailed it on, lurched significantly to the right under who Tony Bliar the mass Muslim murdering war criminal That's a not entirely unexpected one-eyed way of looking at it, I guess. It's more accurate to look at the entire picture from the start. So Thatcher kicked off the lurch to the right in 79, abandoning the post war consensus for a mixed economy and embracing monetarism and free market capitalism. Major moderated this a little, Blair moderated it further, before the current lot have kicked England even further towards the right. However you look at it, the end result is a right-wing England. And lurching ever more to the right on a daily basis.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 7, 2020 15:10:57 GMT
You need to take your head out the sand or you will carry on having your arse kicked, your socialist dream is as dead as the Norwegian Blue it's only on the perch because some twat has nailed it on, lurched significantly to the right under who Tony Bliar the mass Muslim murdering war criminal That's a not entirely unexpected one-eyed way of looking at it, I guess. It's more accurate to look at the entire picture from the start. So Thatcher kicked off the lurch to the right in 79, abandoning the post war consensus for a mixed economy and, instead, embracing monetarism and free market capitalism. Major moderated this a little, Blair moderated it further, before the current lot have kicked England even further towards the right. However you look at it, the end result is a right-wing England. To be accurate the shift started with Dennis Healy who realised that the primary government economic policy needed to move from full employment to controlling inflation ie monetarism as you say. Thatcher, of course, embraced it - rather clumsily - and became synonymous with it. But the idea started with the bushy eyed Labour chancellor. As to the continued drift right - I think you’re smoking dope.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 7, 2020 15:32:17 GMT
That's a not entirely unexpected one-eyed way of looking at it, I guess. It's more accurate to look at the entire picture from the start. So Thatcher kicked off the lurch to the right in 79, abandoning the post war consensus for a mixed economy and, instead, embracing monetarism and free market capitalism. Major moderated this a little, Blair moderated it further, before the current lot have kicked England even further towards the right. However you look at it, the end result is a right-wing England. To be accurate the shift started with Dennis Healy who realised that the primary government economic policy needed to move from full employment to controlling inflation ie monetarism as you say. Thatcher, of course, embraced it - rather clumsily - and became synonymous with it. But the idea started with the bushy eyed Labour chancellor. As to the continued drift right - I think you’re smoking dope. Blimey, partick, you're definitely on one today! Bit hot for a longer-handled cigarette today though, nearly wine o'clock though Denis Healey, really? I'd love to see some evidence to support this, would make fascinating reading I think. And yes, I think England has lurched significantly to the right since about 1979. I suspect most people would agree with me. I copied the below from wikipedia. I'll happily read your sources about Denis Healey, however not a fat lot of mention of him here (perhaps wikipedia is left-wing biased, eh ) Clark Warburton is credited with making the first solid empirical case for the monetarist interpretation of business fluctuations in a series of papers from 1945.[1]p. 493 Within mainstream economics, the rise of monetarism accelerated from Milton Friedman's 1956 restatement of the quantity theory of money. Friedman argued that the demand for money could be described as depending on a small number of economic variables.[9]Thus, where the money supply expanded, people would not simply wish to hold the extra money in idle money balances; i.e., if they were in equilibrium before the increase, they were already holding money balances to suit their requirements, and thus after the increase they would have money balances surplus to their requirements. These excess money balances would therefore be spent and hence aggregate demand would rise. Similarly, if the money supply were reduced people would want to replenish their holdings of money by reducing their spending. In this, Friedman challenged a simplification attributed to Keynes suggesting that "money does not matter."[9] Thus the word 'monetarist' was coined.The rise of the popularity of monetarism also picked up in political circles when Keynesian economics seemed unable to explain or cure the seemingly contradictory problems of rising unemployment and inflation in response to the collapse of the Bretton Woods system in 1972 and the oil shocks of 1973. On the one hand, higher unemployment seemed to call for Keynesian reflation, but on the other hand rising inflation seemed to call for Keynesian disinflation.In 1979, United States President Jimmy Carter appointed as Federal Reserve chief Paul Volcker, who made fighting inflation his primary objective, and who restricted the money supply (in accordance with the Friedman rule) to tame inflation in the economy. The result was a major rise in interest rates, not only in the United States; but worldwide. The "Volcker shock" continued from 1979 to the summer of 1982, decreasing inflation and increasing unemployment.[10]By the time Margaret Thatcher, Leader of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom, won the 1979 general election defeating the sitting Labour Government led by James Callaghan, the UK had endured several years of severe inflation, which was rarely below the 10% mark and by the time of the May 1979 general election, stood at 15.4%.[11] Thatcher implemented monetarism as the weapon in her battle against inflation, and succeeded at reducing it to 4.6% by 1983. However, unemployment in the United Kingdom increased from 5.7% in 1979 to 12.2% in 1983, reaching 13.0% in 1982; starting with the first quarter of 1980, the UK economy contracted in terms of real gross domestic product for six straight quarters.[12]Monetarists not only sought to explain present problems; they also interpreted historical ones. Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz in their book A Monetary History of the United States, 1867–1960 argued that the Great Depression of the 1930s was caused by a massive contraction of the money supply (they deemed it "the Great Contraction"[13]), and not by the lack of investment Keynes had argued. They also maintained that post-war inflation was caused by an over-expansion of the money supply.They made famous the assertion of monetarism that "inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon." Many Keynesian economists initially believed that the Keynesian vs. monetarist debate was solely about whether fiscal or monetary policy was the more effective tool of demand management. By the mid-1970s, however, the debate had moved on to other issues as monetarists began presenting a fundamental challenge to Keynesianism.Monetarists argued that central banks sometimes caused major unexpected fluctuations in the money supply. They asserted that actively increasing demand through the central bank can have negative unintended consequences.Probably worth adding this too, again from the wiki page on Monetarism: Notable proponents Karl Brunner Phillip D. Cagan Milton Friedman Alan Greenspan David Laidler Allan Meltzer Anna Schwartz Margaret Thatcher Paul Volcker Clark WarburtonYou are a silly billy, partick (which I hope you'll appreciate for the reference!)
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 7, 2020 15:55:57 GMT
To be accurate the shift started with Dennis Healy who realised that the primary government economic policy needed to move from full employment to controlling inflation ie monetarism as you say. Thatcher, of course, embraced it - rather clumsily - and became synonymous with it. But the idea started with the bushy eyed Labour chancellor. As to the continued drift right - I think you’re smoking dope. Blimey, partick, you're definitely on one today! Bit hot for a longer-handled cigarette today though, nearly wine o'clock though Denis Healey, really? I'd love to see some evidence to support this, would make fascinating reading I think. And yes, I think England has lurched significantly to the right since about 1979. I copied the below from wikipedia. I'll happily read your sources about Denis Healey, however not a fat lot of mention of him here (perhaps wikipedia is left-wing biased, eh ) You are a silly billy, partick (which I hope you'll appreciate for the reference!) I was never a fan of Mike Yarwood - but I'm not surprised you confuse his impression with the man himself. You seem easily confused. I guess that's why I'm not surprised you fail to grasp the significance of Healy in the development of monetarism as a key policy of government in the 1970s. Now Wiki is very good - but it isn't complete. Try and google "denis healey and monetarism" and you'll find all the evidence you want. I mean it's hardly a secret. Here's a couple of links though to help out First from an obituary in the Spectator: In memory of Denis Healey, saviour of the British economySecond, something of an academic polemic from someone who sees himself on far left of the political spectrum lambasting Wilson's government for adopting monetarism: The Monetarism Trap snares the second Wilson Labour Government from which I'll extract one quote by way of illustration "In the last instalment, I traced back and demonstrated that Britain was engulfed in Monetarist thinking long before Margaret Thatcher took over. She really just put the ‘(rancid) cream on the top of the (inedible) cake’". So "right" and "left" both agree - monetarism predates Thatcher and was born inside Labour.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 7, 2020 16:04:03 GMT
The Heath government introduced easier credit and the money supply increased greatly and ran PSBR deficits too! In 1973 the global fixed exchange rate system collapsed. In an ever increasing globalized economy investors saw money supply as a key determinant of interest rates. In this new world Healey did use ad hoc means of controlling MS but this under Thatcher became enshrined in the Medium Term Financial Strategy. I think to blame Healey for dealing with the mess of the Barber boom as best he could is a bit rich! The following Thatcher government turned ad hoc measures into a new bible of economics! And we know the consequences?😂
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 7, 2020 16:13:11 GMT
Blimey, partick, you're definitely on one today! Bit hot for a longer-handled cigarette today though, nearly wine o'clock though Denis Healey, really? I'd love to see some evidence to support this, would make fascinating reading I think. And yes, I think England has lurched significantly to the right since about 1979. I copied the below from wikipedia. I'll happily read your sources about Denis Healey, however not a fat lot of mention of him here (perhaps wikipedia is left-wing biased, eh ) You are a silly billy, partick (which I hope you'll appreciate for the reference!) I was never a fan of Mike Yarwood - but I'm not surprised you confuse his impression with the man himself. You seem easily confused. I guess that's why I'm not surprised you fail to grasp the significance of Healy in the development of monetarism as a key policy of government in the 1970s. Now Wiki is very good - but it isn't complete. Try and google "denis healey and monetarism" and you'll find all the evidence you want. I mean it's hardly a secret. Here's a couple of links though to help out First from an obituary in the Spectator: In memory of Denis Healey, saviour of the British economySecond, something of an academic polemic from someone who sees himself on far left of the political spectrum lambasting Wilson's government for adopting monetarism: The Monetarism Trap snares the second Wilson Labour Government from which I'll extract one quote by way of illustration "In the last instalment, I traced back and demonstrated that Britain was engulfed in Monetarist thinking long before Margaret Thatcher took over. She really just put the ‘(rancid) cream on the top of the (inedible) cake’". So "right" and "left" both agree - monetarism predates Thatcher and was born inside Labour. It is a lie to suggest that monetarism was ‘born inside Labour’. Milton Friedman’s ideas were largely taken up by the Tory right e.g. Sir Keith Joseph amongst others.. The drift to monetarism was taken by the City as a gold standard for economic management and regular publications monitored the MS for the benefit of their investors! Higher interest rates means government gilts are worth less! So there was domestic pressure on governments regarding the newly floating exchange rate!
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 7, 2020 16:16:33 GMT
I was never a fan of Mike Yarwood - but I'm not surprised you confuse his impression with the man himself. You seem easily confused. I guess that's why I'm not surprised you fail to grasp the significance of Healy in the development of monetarism as a key policy of government in the 1970s. Now Wiki is very good - but it isn't complete. Try and google "denis healey and monetarism" and you'll find all the evidence you want. I mean it's hardly a secret. Here's a couple of links though to help out First from an obituary in the Spectator: In memory of Denis Healey, saviour of the British economySecond, something of an academic polemic from someone who sees himself on far left of the political spectrum lambasting Wilson's government for adopting monetarism: The Monetarism Trap snares the second Wilson Labour Government from which I'll extract one quote by way of illustration "In the last instalment, I traced back and demonstrated that Britain was engulfed in Monetarist thinking long before Margaret Thatcher took over. She really just put the ‘(rancid) cream on the top of the (inedible) cake’". So "right" and "left" both agree - monetarism predates Thatcher and was born inside Labour. It is a lie to suggest that monetarism was ‘born inside Labour’. Milton Friedman’s ideas were largely taken up by the Tory right e.g. Sir Keith Joseph amongst others.. The drift to monetarism was taken by the City as a gold standard for economic management and regular publications monitored the MS for the benefit of their investors! Higher interest rates means government gilts are worth less! So there was domestic pressure on governments regarding the newly floating exchange rate! True. A bad choice of words. More correct to say “adopted first in the UK by a Labour Government”.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 7, 2020 16:23:20 GMT
It is a lie to suggest that monetarism was ‘born inside Labour’. Milton Friedman’s ideas were largely taken up by the Tory right e.g. Sir Keith Joseph amongst others.. The drift to monetarism was taken by the City as a gold standard for economic management and regular publications monitored the MS for the benefit of their investors! Higher interest rates means government gilts are worth less! So there was domestic pressure on governments regarding the newly floating exchange rate! True. A bad choice of words. More correct to say “adopted first in the UK by a Labour Government”. But you suggested it was a Labour idea, it definitely was not and secondly you’re trying somehow to absolve Thatcher of adopting monetarism as her sole tool for running, I mean ruining the British economy by shifting the blame onto Healey?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 7, 2020 16:40:15 GMT
True. A bad choice of words. More correct to say “adopted first in the UK by a Labour Government”. But you suggested it was a Labour idea, it definitely was not and secondly you’re trying somehow to absolve Thatcher of adopting monetarism as her sole tool for running, I mean ruining the British economy by shifting the blame onto Healey? Beat me to it! Those articles about Healey were interesting. But the fact that he is not strongly associated with monetarism is pertinent. To be fair, this may be due to the short period of government left to the Labour Party in the latter part of the 70s and the 11 years of Thatcher policies based around monetarism.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 7, 2020 16:40:26 GMT
True. A bad choice of words. More correct to say “adopted first in the UK by a Labour Government”. But you suggested it was a Labour idea, it definitely was not and secondly you’re trying somehow to absolve Thatcher of adopting monetarism as her sole tool for running, I mean ruining the British economy by shifting the blame onto Healey? You corrected me - quite correctly! So I’ll correct you. I’m not commenting about Thatcher in any way. I’m simply making the point that monetarism as UK Gvt policy started with Denis Healy. As to Thatcher, I recall a quote from that time criticising her approach as “the undefinable in pursuit of the unattainable“ which I recall then seemed like a pretty good description of her approach and still seems right now. Her Government was far too idealistic in its narrow definition and implementation. Arguably, Healy’s version may well have worked better. Unfortunately for him, his pals in the unions pulled the rug from underneath him so he never got the opportunity to see his ideas through.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 7, 2020 19:45:07 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 8, 2020 5:04:13 GMT
Bit diasapointed you've failed to post the link of the ex Labour MP convicted of child porn
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 8, 2020 7:41:02 GMT
There's a big clue in the title of the thread, waga!
For the record, ex Labour MP Joyce is a disgusting nonce.
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