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Post by essexstokey on Jul 21, 2020 11:12:58 GMT
labours claims of the NHS for sale coming true , first 3 days ago the government admitting that the hacked document on tradetalks was genuene now this we are for sae and trumps poodle is selling anything he can get his grubby hands on !! so much for getting back control, honesty and un elected people controlling the uk !!
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 21, 2020 11:52:34 GMT
surprise surprise what have you got to hide Boris and cummings Russia report: Inquiry into potential Brexit vote interference rejected by UK government link
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 21, 2020 13:02:01 GMT
"I could not dig: I dared not rob: Therefore I lied to please the mob." B. Johnson R. Kipling
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 21, 2020 14:06:11 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 21, 2020 17:14:15 GMT
probably that they funded a lot of vote leave and paid Boris to jump to the leave side !! (remember he was a remainer at first like his dad and sister) it all stinks !! 1 million given to the tories from a Russian individual emitted from the report for interference surprise surprise !! (just on news)
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 21, 2020 17:31:32 GMT
this is the headline they want you to see Above-inflation pay rise for almost 900,000 public sector workers lets actually look at what it really means yet further tory spin
economists say that once inflation is stripped out, average pay for public sector workers remains below levels seen in 2010, due to pay freezes, or very modest increases, in the years of austerity that followed.
And departments won't get extra funding to pay for these rises,
The Treasury claims the pay awards are assessed for affordability; that they shouldn't affect the provision of public services.
But budgets are already under pressure in some areas - in schools, for example, where extra costs may have arisen and income streams from the likes of clubs may have disappeared. In those cases, these pay rises might well pose some tough questions.
Dr David Wrigley, vice-chairman of the British Medical Association, said doctors would feel "disappointed and let down" by the announcement as pay "has fallen way behind" where it should be and "we were hoping for far better" than the 2.8% increase. "These are the sort of rises we'd expect to see in normal times, not in a time when many of us have not had a day off in six months and have been putting our lives on the line."
Some teachers' unions have welcomed the offer for newly qualified teachers but said they were disappointed by the pay award for more experienced staff.
Dr Mary Bousted, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, said raising starting salaries by 5.5% had made the profession "more attractive to graduates" but the prospect of salaries "tapering off as they progress" meant it would be difficult to retain teachers.
Geoff Barton, general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders, said it was a "kick in the teeth" for "long-serving teachers". he was worried the government was not investing enough money in education to "ensure that schools are able to afford to pay the award within the limited scope it is proposing".
so yet more spin from this corrupt party !!! don't forget they have given million pound contracts to there own supporters !!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 21, 2020 21:20:20 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 22, 2020 7:46:00 GMT
The Tories are just plain evil. Thank you for your continued efforts in making sure we are all aware of this.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2020 7:50:42 GMT
Well done, partick, I knew you'd get there in the end
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2020 7:53:58 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 22, 2020 9:33:52 GMT
The Tories are just plain evil. Thank you for your continued efforts in making sure we are all aware of this. You're most welcome.
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 22, 2020 15:56:18 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2020 16:23:04 GMT
Yes, it is isn't it... Published Feb 2019 "There has been clear and proven Russian influence in foreign elections, and we highlighted evidence in our Interim Report of such attempts in the EU Referendum" Published 21 July 2020 "There have been widespread public allegations that Russia sought to influence the 2016 referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU. The impact of any such attempts would be difficult – if not impossible – to assess, and we have not sought to do so". The committee noted that it was impossible to assess whether Russian interference had affected the Brexit referendum, since the government had not authorised any investigation into that matter. Published government response 21 July 2020 We have seen no evidence of successful interference in the EU Referendum. [Well, of course you haven't, you didn't want anyone to look, despite being told there was evidence back in Feb 2019] The Intelligence and Security Agencies produce and contribute to regular assessments of the threat posed by Hostile State Activity, including around potential interference in UK democratic processes. We keep such assessments under review and, where necessary, update them in response to new intelligence, including during democratic events such as elections and referendums. Where new information emerges, the Government will always consider the most appropriate use of any intelligence it develops or receives, including whether it is appropriate to make this public. Given this long standing approach, a retrospective assessment of the EU Referendum is not necessary. [You won't find new information if you don't allow anyone to look for it].
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 24, 2020 8:26:23 GMT
336 Conservative MPs voted down proposed amendments to the Trade Bill aimed at protecting the NHS from any form of control from outside the United Kingdom in a post-Brexit trade deal.
The amendments included:
Ensuring the ability to provide a 'comprehensive and publicly funded health service free at the point of delivery' was not compromised by any future trade deal
Protecting hard-working NHS staff from having their wages or rights slashed by any future trade deal
Protecting the quality and safety of health and care services
Protecting the NHS from so-called investor-state dispute settlements (ISDS) – clauses which allow foreign investors to sue national governments for any measures which harm their profits
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 24, 2020 8:35:56 GMT
336 Conservative MPs voted down proposed amendments to the Trade Bill aimed at protecting the NHS from any form of control from outside the United Kingdom in a post-Brexit trade deal. The amendments included: Ensuring the ability to provide a 'comprehensive and publicly funded health service free at the point of delivery' was not compromised by any future trade deal Protecting hard-working NHS staff from having their wages or rights slashed by any future trade deal Protecting the quality and safety of health and care services Protecting the NHS from so-called investor-state dispute settlements (ISDS) – clauses which allow foreign investors to sue national governments for any measures which harm their profits This is possibly why nurses weren't inluded in the recent public-sector pay rise. They won't be public sector workers for much longer. 😠
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 24, 2020 13:56:37 GMT
Daily Telegraph: The NHS was among the worst equipped health services before the pandemic took hold, a study has found. Research by the Nuffield Trust found the NHS was in a poor starting position going into the crisis compared with countries such as Germany, which had far more beds and nurses. The report compared the NHS to services in France, Italy, Sweden, Spain and the US. It found the UK ranked bottom when it came to capital spending, doctors per person, hospital beds per person, and hospital bed occupancy. In contrast, Germany had more than three times the number of beds and nearly twice as many nurses per person as the UK. The NHS's bed capacity and staff shortages will slow it down compared with other countries as it recovers from Covid-19, the report warns.
Oh well, never mind...
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 26, 2020 9:30:36 GMT
Daily Telegraph: The NHS was among the worst equipped health services before the pandemic took hold, a study has found. Research by the Nuffield Trust found the NHS was in a poor starting position going into the crisis compared with countries such as Germany, which had far more beds and nurses. The report compared the NHS to services in France, Italy, Sweden, Spain and the US. It found the UK ranked bottom when it came to capital spending, doctors per person, hospital beds per person, and hospital bed occupancy. In contrast, Germany had more than three times the number of beds and nearly twice as many nurses per person as the UK. The NHS's bed capacity and staff shortages will slow it down compared with other countries as it recovers from Covid-19, the report warns. Oh well, never mind... Maybe there is something structurally wrong about the NHS. Maybe we need to learn from other countries who don’t have an “NHS”.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 26, 2020 11:56:35 GMT
Well, they've had the best part of 30 of the last 40 years to fix it, without doing so.
And four years since Exercise Cygnus to prepare it for a pandemic, without doing so.
Meanwhile...
Gove branded ‘liar’ as MPs vote down animal welfare amendment
An amendment to protect and maintain standards on animal health and welfare, food safety and the environment in the UK in any post-Brexit trade deal was voted down by 337 votes to 251.
New Clause 11 to the Trade Bill – put forward by Labour leader Keir Starmer with the support of Green Party MP Caroline Lucas and others – related to imported agricultural goods.
The amendment would have guaranteed that standards remained “as high as, or higher than” those that exist currently, in the following areas:
Animal health and welfare
Protection of the environment
Food safety, hygiene and traceability
Plant health
The government has repeatedly pledged to uphold food and animal welfare standards after Brexit. 336 of the 337 MPs who voted New Clause 11 down belong to the Conservative Party.
Speaking in 2018 when he was environment secretary Michael Gove – now Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster – vowed to deliver a ‘Green Brexit’, claiming that there was “no way in which animal protection can be diminished in any way, in any shape, or in any form”.
In the same interview with the BBC, Gove lashed out at the way social media “corrupts and distorts” political discussion – after the Tories attracted criticism for voting against incorporating a section of an EU treaty recognising that animals could feel emotions and pain into the Theresa May’s Brexit deal.
Food writer Jay Rayner said: “For years now Michael Gove has promised no dilution of food and animal welfare standards as a result of Brexit. Last night he voted against an amendment that would have guaranteed that. I’m not surprised. Just think it’s worth acknowledging that he is, straight up, a liar.”
Jolyon Maugham QC, Director of the Good Law Project, added: “Gove: “As we leave the EU we will deliver a Green Brexit, not only maintaining but enhancing animal welfare standards.” Last night he voted against this clause.”
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 26, 2020 15:46:45 GMT
Daily Telegraph: The NHS was among the worst equipped health services before the pandemic took hold, a study has found. Research by the Nuffield Trust found the NHS was in a poor starting position going into the crisis compared with countries such as Germany, which had far more beds and nurses. The report compared the NHS to services in France, Italy, Sweden, Spain and the US. It found the UK ranked bottom when it came to capital spending, doctors per person, hospital beds per person, and hospital bed occupancy. In contrast, Germany had more than three times the number of beds and nearly twice as many nurses per person as the UK. The NHS's bed capacity and staff shortages will slow it down compared with other countries as it recovers from Covid-19, the report warns. Oh well, never mind... Maybe there is something structurally wrong about the NHS. Maybe we need to learn from other countries who don’t have an “NHS”. Maybe we should neglect what we have and look for excuses elsewhere.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 29, 2020 22:41:03 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 29, 2020 23:35:20 GMT
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 30, 2020 6:58:52 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 30, 2020 7:07:01 GMT
And there still ahead in the polls
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 30, 2020 7:24:34 GMT
And there still ahead in the polls What does that say about the government, the electorate and the media?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 30, 2020 7:32:37 GMT
And there still ahead in the polls What does that say about the government, the electorate and the media? That the British public doesn't want left wing bullshit Or tory lite smarmy lawyers
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 30, 2020 7:51:04 GMT
What does that say about the government, the electorate and the media? That the British public doesn't want left wing bullshit Or tory lite smarmy lawyers Or that the government is corrupt. It controls the mainstream media, which is complicit and deceives the electorate, which is complacent.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 30, 2020 7:53:26 GMT
That the British public doesn't want left wing bullshit Or tory lite smarmy lawyers Or that the government is corrupt. It controls the mainstream media, which is complicit and deceives the electorate, which is complacent. I personally will stick with the first But just out of interest what is your opinion on Starmer
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 30, 2020 8:14:21 GMT
What does that say about the government, the electorate and the media? That the British public doesn't want left wing bullshit Or tory lite smarmy lawyers England prefers right-wing bullshit, it's true.
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Post by maxplonk on Jul 30, 2020 9:24:32 GMT
Or that the government is corrupt. It controls the mainstream media, which is complicit and deceives the electorate, which is complacent. I personally will stick with the first But just out of interest what is your opinion on Starmer Starmer is very much the grown-up in the room when it comes to PMQs*. I like him because he's clever, has humble origins, is willing to stick up for the underdog (e.g. the McDonalds two), has got to where he is (Knighthood etc.) by hard work and ability (as opposed to privilege and connections). I can understand why he's labelled as "Tory-lite" - perhaps that should be "Tony-lite" - which will probably shield him from some of the excesses of the media (in a way which Corbyn never was). It's a shame that he's inherited a lot of problems in his party (polarisation, anti_semitism etc.) which weren't necessarily of his making. *I find it very interesting watching PMQs not for what is said but for how it is said. Starmer is factual, concise and relevant (as you'd expect from a QC). Johnson is all bollox and bluster who, in the absence of pertinent answers, often resorts to personal attacks - something I've yet to see Starmer do. I think Starmer sees PMQs for the charade it is. No wonder he sometimes looks so frustrated.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 30, 2020 9:27:16 GMT
I personally will stick with the first But just out of interest what is your opinion on Starmer Starmer is very much the grown-up in the room when it comes to PMQs*. I like him because he's clever, has humble origins, is willing to stick up for the underdog (e.g. the McDonalds two), has got to where he is (Knighthood etc.) by hard work and ability (as opposed to privilege and connections). I can understand why he's labelled as "Tory-lite" - perhaps that should be "Tony-lite" - which will probably shield him from some of the excesses of the media (in a way which Corbyn never was). It's a shame that he's inherited a lot of problems in his party (polarisation, anti_semitism etc.) which weren't necessarily of his making. *I find it very interesting watching PMQs not for what is said but for how it is said. Starmer is factual, concise and relevant (as you'd expect from a QC). Johnson is all bollox and bluster who, in the absence of pertinent answers, often resorts to personal attacks - something I've yet to see Starmer do. I think Starmer sees PMQs for the charade it is. No wonder he sometimes looks so frustrated. You see what you want to see.
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