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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 4, 2020 8:49:23 GMT
Daily Telegraph: Government admits 30K fewer people tested positive for Covid than previously thought
The number of people testing positive for coronavirus is 30,000 fewer than previously thought, after the government admitted it had been double counting test results.
In the latest testing controversy, the Department of Health and Public Health England (PHE) said it was changing its methodology for reporting positive cases after finding duplicates in pillar 1 and 2.
Pillar 1 tests key workers and those in NHS hospital settings while pillar 2 is in the wider community, but there appears to be an overlap which was only discovered when local data was compiled recently, which showed national figures were too high.
Experts said the way different organisations had collected the data had caused ‘widespread confusion', and meant that figures released at the daily press conferences have been consistently wrong.
Carl Heneghan, Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said: "The analysis and production of epidemiological data throughout this outbreak has been uncoordinated, with too many entities involved in its dissemination.
"This has led to errors, but also delays and widespread confusion. This latest episode was highly foreseeable and not an accident. We need a connected approach to communicating the data that makes it clear and less confusing for the end user."
In more testing problems, it also emerged on Thursday that PHE had to retrospectively trace people who had tested positive for coronavirus, after failing to ask for their postcodes at the time.
What a farce.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 4, 2020 9:36:27 GMT
More piss-taking from the usually steadfastly loyal Daily Telegraph: If there’s a second wave, who are we going to blame: the Government… or ourselves? A poll suggests the public will blame the public, for showing a lack of ‘common sense’. But are we sure we won’t change our minds? Boris Johnson has called for ‘bustle and activity’, while urging the public not to ‘overdo it’ We all pray it doesn’t happen. But say there’s a second wave of Covid-19. Who will be to blame? Even at this early stage, a clear consensus is starting to form. The answer is… us. Look at the poll this week for ITV’s politics show, Peston. Respondents were asked who they would blame for a second wave: the Government, or the public? And, by a thumping ratio of two to one, they chose the public. In other words: the British people will blame the British people, rather than the ministers who are actually in charge. A surprising result. After all, for the past four years the prevailing political narrative has been, “ Ordinary people aren’t stupid. Blame the elite.” Suddenly it seems to be, “Don’t blame the elite. Ordinary people are stupid.” An unexpected twist. Yet this, apparently, is the way things are headed. If a second wave comes, the Government can accuse the public of failing to show “common sense”. And we, it seems, will sheepishly agree. Personally, though, I’d like to say one or two words in our defence. Admittedly I have a vested interest, being a member of the public myself, but even so, I don’t believe we should blame ourselves entirely. After all, it wasn’t the public who, for example, failed to make adequate preparations for a pandemic, or called lockdown too late, or secured insufficient supplies of PPE, or didn’t protect care homes, or screwed up the design of their “game-changing” tracking app, or failed to share full testing data with local authorities, or told everyone to visit the beach and then complained when they did, or decided to encourage responsible drinking by reopening the pubs at 6am on a Saturday in summer. I don’t think we were the ones who did all that. Nor, as far as I can recall, did 67 million of us undermine lockdown by driving to Barnard Castle, then claiming we only did it to test our eyesight. And not all our fathers, so far as I’m aware, disregarded official travel guidance this week so they could fly out to Greece. Of course, some of us may end up flouting the rules, too. All the same, I don’t think it would be fair of the Government to pin the blame on us, in a cynical bid to dodge the blame itself. Still, maybe I’m just out of touch. Maybe it’s about time we voters got into the Westminster bubble, and started listening to the legitimate concerns of ordinary Cabinet ministers. Many of them, after all, are only just about managing. Imagine the public inquiry. It’ll be an inquiry into the public. What a nightmare, trying to fit all 67 million of us in the dock.
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 7, 2020 11:08:35 GMT
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Post by Kilo on Jul 7, 2020 16:37:09 GMT
Where's your link to the Labour Peado MP or does that not fit your criteria for being a naughty boy?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 7, 2020 20:35:33 GMT
These people are actually in Government. This is not a parody.
Once you get over the sheer embarrassment that this creature is in Parliament at all, this is Mark Fatty Fois Gras, the self styled king of Brexit threatening the armed forces with unelected Bureaucrats.
This is the script the Thick of it Laughed out of the writers room.
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Post by lordb on Jul 7, 2020 20:37:57 GMT
Where's your link to the Labour Peado MP or does that not fit your criteria for being a naughty boy? At least he didn't sing!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 8, 2020 11:20:48 GMT
I realise we're only eight months in, but I wonder if the tone of Bluffer's government has already been set: sleaze and spin...
Boris Johnson was in trouble over care homes... until this dazzling masterclass of spin
After the PM claimed care homes didn’t ‘follow procedures’, Labour were outraged – but his team found an improbable way to bail him out
7 July 2020 Michael Deacon Daily Telegraph
Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, offered a curious interpretation of the Prime Minister’s controversial remarks
When a politician is in trouble for saying something controversial, he or she normally has two options. One, to stand his or her ground. Or two, to back down and apologise.
The team behind Boris Johnson, however, appear to have devised an ingenious alternative – as we saw today (Tuesday), in the Commons.
Labour MPs were up in arms because, in remarks to camera the day before, the Prime Minister had appeared to blame care homes for the deaths of their residents during the pandemic. “We discovered that too many care homes didn’t really follow the procedures in the way that they could have,” Mr Johnson had said.
In the Commons, Labour wanted him to apologise. As Mr Johnson wasn’t present, they demanded Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, apologise on his behalf.
“Can he understand why people are so insulted by the Prime Minister’s remarks?” asked Jonathan Ashworth, the shadow health secretary.
“Does he agree with the Prime Minister’s despicable comments?” snapped Angela Eagle (Lab, Wallasey).
“The Prime Minister’s comments have given offence,” complained Barbara Keeley (Lab, Worsley & Eccles South).
Mr Hancock, however, did not apologise for Mr Johnson’s comments. But nor did he defend them. Instead, he did something remarkable.
He acted as if Mr Johnson had made completely different comments altogether.
“Throughout this crisis, care homes have done amazing work,” gushed Mr Hancock. “The Prime Minister was explaining that, because asymptomatic transmission was not known about, the correct procedures were therefore not known.”
Mr Hancock said this so earnestly, it sounded as if he actually believed it. Which is curious, because Mr Johnson’s words bore not the faintest resemblance to Mr Hancock’s gloss of them. The Prime Minister had said “too many” care homes didn’t “follow the procedures” in “the way that they could have”. Unmistakably, he was suggesting that the “correct procedures” had indeed been known. Which is the opposite of what Mr Hancock said he’d said.
During a briefing of the media, the Prime Minister’s spokesman offered the exact same defence as Mr Hancock, so presumably it had been agreed in advance by No10 as the official “line to take”. Impressive, in a way. Imagine Mr Johnson had been even more blunt, and said that care homes had done “a bad job”. No doubt his quick-thinking team would still have found a means to defuse the row.
“Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister was simply using the word ‘bad’ in the colloquial sense that was fashionable among young people in the 1980s – when, of course, the Prime Minister was himself a young man. In those days, the word ‘bad’ was informally used to mean ‘good’ – as in, ‘You one bad mofo, Mr Speaker.’ So, when the Prime Minister said that care homes did a ‘bad’ job, he was clearly saying that they did a good job. I’m very happy to have set the record straight, and trust that we can all now move on.”
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 8, 2020 12:11:39 GMT
More piss-taking from the usually steadfastly loyal Daily Telegraph: If there’s a second wave, who are we going to blame: the Government… or ourselves? A poll suggests the public will blame the public, for showing a lack of ‘common sense’. But are we sure we won’t change our minds? Boris Johnson has called for ‘bustle and activity’, while urging the public not to ‘overdo it’ We all pray it doesn’t happen. But say there’s a second wave of Covid-19. Who will be to blame? Even at this early stage, a clear consensus is starting to form. The answer is… us. Look at the poll this week for ITV’s politics show, Peston. Respondents were asked who they would blame for a second wave: the Government, or the public? And, by a thumping ratio of two to one, they chose the public. In other words: the British people will blame the British people, rather than the ministers who are actually in charge. A surprising result. After all, for the past four years the prevailing political narrative has been, “ Ordinary people aren’t stupid. Blame the elite.” Suddenly it seems to be, “Don’t blame the elite. Ordinary people are stupid.” An unexpected twist. Yet this, apparently, is the way things are headed. If a second wave comes, the Government can accuse the public of failing to show “common sense”. And we, it seems, will sheepishly agree. Personally, though, I’d like to say one or two words in our defence. Admittedly I have a vested interest, being a member of the public myself, but even so, I don’t believe we should blame ourselves entirely. After all, it wasn’t the public who, for example, failed to make adequate preparations for a pandemic, or called lockdown too late, or secured insufficient supplies of PPE, or didn’t protect care homes, or screwed up the design of their “game-changing” tracking app, or failed to share full testing data with local authorities, or told everyone to visit the beach and then complained when they did, or decided to encourage responsible drinking by reopening the pubs at 6am on a Saturday in summer. I don’t think we were the ones who did all that. Nor, as far as I can recall, did 67 million of us undermine lockdown by driving to Barnard Castle, then claiming we only did it to test our eyesight. And not all our fathers, so far as I’m aware, disregarded official travel guidance this week so they could fly out to Greece. Of course, some of us may end up flouting the rules, too. All the same, I don’t think it would be fair of the Government to pin the blame on us, in a cynical bid to dodge the blame itself. Still, maybe I’m just out of touch. Maybe it’s about time we voters got into the Westminster bubble, and started listening to the legitimate concerns of ordinary Cabinet ministers. Many of them, after all, are only just about managing. Imagine the public inquiry. It’ll be an inquiry into the public. What a nightmare, trying to fit all 67 million of us in the dock. Wonder how many people were infected by Cummings ill advised trip to Durham and Bernard Castle ...probably none. On the other hand wonder how many people were infected and more lives lost due to BLM disorder and it’s aftermath plus Liverpool fans celebrating against pleas from every man and his dog. In addition the bloke who closed down a pub over the weekend after he was tested positive.....He was waiting Covid test results when he decided to go down the pub, whose to blame and how many has he infected not to mention the financial implication for the land lord desperate to reopen. Regardless of beaches opening, pubs and other facilities reopening there has never been any confusion regarding the advice of social distancing, hand washing and using your common sense. It seems some people are desperately seeking confusion. Most mistakes made by government have been with hind sight however actions of irresponsible people are done despite clear advice. A second wave will be down to us imo.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 8, 2020 14:04:58 GMT
More piss-taking from the usually steadfastly loyal Daily Telegraph: If there’s a second wave, who are we going to blame: the Government… or ourselves? A poll suggests the public will blame the public, for showing a lack of ‘common sense’. But are we sure we won’t change our minds? Boris Johnson has called for ‘bustle and activity’, while urging the public not to ‘overdo it’ We all pray it doesn’t happen. But say there’s a second wave of Covid-19. Who will be to blame? Even at this early stage, a clear consensus is starting to form. The answer is… us. Look at the poll this week for ITV’s politics show, Peston. Respondents were asked who they would blame for a second wave: the Government, or the public? And, by a thumping ratio of two to one, they chose the public. In other words: the British people will blame the British people, rather than the ministers who are actually in charge. A surprising result. After all, for the past four years the prevailing political narrative has been, “ Ordinary people aren’t stupid. Blame the elite.” Suddenly it seems to be, “Don’t blame the elite. Ordinary people are stupid.” An unexpected twist. Yet this, apparently, is the way things are headed. If a second wave comes, the Government can accuse the public of failing to show “common sense”. And we, it seems, will sheepishly agree. Personally, though, I’d like to say one or two words in our defence. Admittedly I have a vested interest, being a member of the public myself, but even so, I don’t believe we should blame ourselves entirely. After all, it wasn’t the public who, for example, failed to make adequate preparations for a pandemic, or called lockdown too late, or secured insufficient supplies of PPE, or didn’t protect care homes, or screwed up the design of their “game-changing” tracking app, or failed to share full testing data with local authorities, or told everyone to visit the beach and then complained when they did, or decided to encourage responsible drinking by reopening the pubs at 6am on a Saturday in summer. I don’t think we were the ones who did all that. Nor, as far as I can recall, did 67 million of us undermine lockdown by driving to Barnard Castle, then claiming we only did it to test our eyesight. And not all our fathers, so far as I’m aware, disregarded official travel guidance this week so they could fly out to Greece. Of course, some of us may end up flouting the rules, too. All the same, I don’t think it would be fair of the Government to pin the blame on us, in a cynical bid to dodge the blame itself. Still, maybe I’m just out of touch. Maybe it’s about time we voters got into the Westminster bubble, and started listening to the legitimate concerns of ordinary Cabinet ministers. Many of them, after all, are only just about managing. Imagine the public inquiry. It’ll be an inquiry into the public. What a nightmare, trying to fit all 67 million of us in the dock. Wonder how many people were infected by Cummings ill advised trip to Durham and Bernard Castle ...probably none. On the other hand wonder how many people were infected and more lives lost due to BLM disorder and it’s aftermath plus Liverpool fans celebrating against pleas from every man and his dog. In addition the bloke who closed down a pub over the weekend after he was tested positive.....He was waiting Covid test results when he decided to go down the pub, whose to blame and how many has he infected not to mention the financial implication for the land lord desperate to reopen. Regardless of beaches opening, pubs and other facilities reopening there has never been any confusion regarding the advice of social distancing, hand washing and using your common sense. It seems some people are desperately seeking confusion. Most mistakes made by government have been with hind sight however actions of irresponsible people are done despite clear advice. A second wave will be down to us imo. Directly infected? Who knows. Indirectly infected after seeing the senior government advisor apparently saying fuck it, I'll go where I want thanks and responding accordingly...who knows? There aren't many independent voices out there saying this has been anything other than a complete clusterfuck by HM government, as the numbers of deaths in our country only goes to show.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 8, 2020 14:23:05 GMT
Wonder how many people were infected by Cummings ill advised trip to Durham and Bernard Castle ...probably none. On the other hand wonder how many people were infected and more lives lost due to BLM disorder and it’s aftermath plus Liverpool fans celebrating against pleas from every man and his dog. In addition the bloke who closed down a pub over the weekend after he was tested positive.....He was waiting Covid test results when he decided to go down the pub, whose to blame and how many has he infected not to mention the financial implication for the land lord desperate to reopen. Regardless of beaches opening, pubs and other facilities reopening there has never been any confusion regarding the advice of social distancing, hand washing and using your common sense. It seems some people are desperately seeking confusion. Most mistakes made by government have been with hind sight however actions of irresponsible people are done despite clear advice. A second wave will be down to us imo. Directly infected? Who knows. Indirectly infected after seeing the senior government advisor apparently saying fuck it, I'll go where I want thanks and responding accordingly...who knows? There aren't many independent voices out there saying this has been anything other than a complete clusterfuck by HM government, as the numbers of deaths in our country only goes to show. As the old saying goes. The trouble with common sense is it’s not very common. While the government has ballsed up a lot of stuff I think the U.K. population have been very irresponsible. I also think this softly softly culture which is now so ingrained in modern society has had a hand in government decision making.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 8, 2020 14:32:27 GMT
Wonder how many people were infected by Cummings ill advised trip to Durham and Bernard Castle ...probably none. On the other hand wonder how many people were infected and more lives lost due to BLM disorder and it’s aftermath plus Liverpool fans celebrating against pleas from every man and his dog. In addition the bloke who closed down a pub over the weekend after he was tested positive.....He was waiting Covid test results when he decided to go down the pub, whose to blame and how many has he infected not to mention the financial implication for the land lord desperate to reopen. Regardless of beaches opening, pubs and other facilities reopening there has never been any confusion regarding the advice of social distancing, hand washing and using your common sense. It seems some people are desperately seeking confusion. Most mistakes made by government have been with hind sight however actions of irresponsible people are done despite clear advice. A second wave will be down to us imo. Directly infected? Who knows. Indirectly infected after seeing the senior government advisor apparently saying fuck it, I'll go where I want thanks and responding accordingly...who knows? There aren't many independent voices out there saying this has been anything other than a complete clusterfuck by HM government, as the numbers of deaths in our country only goes to show. As I said we can all look back in hind sight and point fingers ....it’s a precise art. As for people thinking "I’ll go where I want thanks" because Cummings kind of did shows how dum and thick some people really are. Despite pleas and advice to the contrary those people congregated in 1000s, ignoring social distancing, not going home after a day out, spreading the virus but hey ho it’s all Cummings fault so we'll crack on. I’m not defending Cummings as I thought he should have resigned.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 9, 2020 8:27:36 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 9, 2020 8:35:38 GMT
Not a big fan of Piers Morgan but he's got this spot on... as if clapping was anything more than a sop to make people feel better about under-funding the NHS for so long...
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 9, 2020 8:43:51 GMT
Not a big fan of Piers Morgan but he's got this spot on... as if clapping was anything more than a sop to make people feel better about under-funding the NHS for so long... Two points One they have yet to announce when it will take place Two many of the carparks that staff use are included in the ppi deals that funded the hospital There should be an inquiry into ppi deals and the number of private companies that are being paid the car parking fees
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 10, 2020 7:55:23 GMT
Directly infected? Who knows. Indirectly infected after seeing the senior government advisor apparently saying fuck it, I'll go where I want thanks and responding accordingly...who knows? There aren't many independent voices out there saying this has been anything other than a complete clusterfuck by HM government, as the numbers of deaths in our country only goes to show. As I said we can all look back in hind sight and point fingers ....it’s a precise art. As for people thinking "I’ll go where I want thanks" because Cummings kind of did shows how dum and thick some people really are. Despite pleas and advice to the contrary those people congregated in 1000s, ignoring social distancing, not going home after a day out, spreading the virus but hey ho it’s all Cummings fault so we'll crack on. I’m not defending Cummings as I thought he should have resigned. Indeed so, and the eventual inquiry into the handling of it will probably be quite damning for this government (although I expect the inquiry to be kicked way into the long grass for that very reason). On the other hand, some governments have handled it pretty well all the way through, without the benefit of hindsight at all. Some people are indeed dumb and thick. Which makes it all the more important to recognise that and not to do anything which might encourage that stupidity. I don't think anyone has said "it's all Cummings' fault", merely recognising the idiocy of his actions and the likely implications of them. If anyone thinks that the most high profile member of the government's advisory team acting in a way that, at the very least, will make people question why they are adhering to the lockdown rules, doesn't have any influence on behaviour, they are deluding themselves, regardless of how much their political leaning might wish it to be true.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 10, 2020 11:45:36 GMT
As I said we can all look back in hind sight and point fingers ....it’s a precise art. As for people thinking "I’ll go where I want thanks" because Cummings kind of did shows how dum and thick some people really are. Despite pleas and advice to the contrary those people congregated in 1000s, ignoring social distancing, not going home after a day out, spreading the virus but hey ho it’s all Cummings fault so we'll crack on. I’m not defending Cummings as I thought he should have resigned. Indeed so, and the eventual inquiry into the handling of it will probably be quite damning for this government (although I expect the inquiry to be kicked way into the long grass for that very reason). On the other hand, some governments have handled it pretty well all the way through, without the benefit of hindsight at all. Some people are indeed dumb and thick. Which makes it all the more important to recognise that and not to do anything which might encourage that stupidity. I don't think anyone has said "it's all Cummings' fault", merely recognising the idiocy of his actions and the likely implications of them. If anyone thinks that the most high profile member of the government's advisory team acting in a way that, at the very least, will make people question why they are adhering to the lockdown rules, doesn't have any influence on behaviour, they are deluding themselves, regardless of how much their political leaning might wish it to be true. We can’t agree on this RWB. But this pandemic is far from over and it may transpire that the government actions prevent a second full on outbreak as is happening in other countries that appeared to get it right first time. Who knows.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 12, 2020 8:42:11 GMT
Indeed so, and the eventual inquiry into the handling of it will probably be quite damning for this government (although I expect the inquiry to be kicked way into the long grass for that very reason). On the other hand, some governments have handled it pretty well all the way through, without the benefit of hindsight at all. Some people are indeed dumb and thick. Which makes it all the more important to recognise that and not to do anything which might encourage that stupidity. I don't think anyone has said "it's all Cummings' fault", merely recognising the idiocy of his actions and the likely implications of them. If anyone thinks that the most high profile member of the government's advisory team acting in a way that, at the very least, will make people question why they are adhering to the lockdown rules, doesn't have any influence on behaviour, they are deluding themselves, regardless of how much their political leaning might wish it to be true. We can’t agree on this RWB. But this pandemic is far from over and it may transpire that the government actions prevent a second full on outbreak as is happening in other countries that appeared to get it right first time. Who knows. Which countries are you talking about "a second full on outbreak as is happening in other countries that appeared to get it right first time"?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 12, 2020 9:29:10 GMT
The fact that this Government is so tawdry, so corrupt, isn't really a shock to me. Just how brazen they are and the levels of contempt they show for anyone outside their own circle does a bit.
Disgusting. Again.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 12, 2020 11:56:41 GMT
Said it before but it's worth repeating, this government's tone so far is one of ineptitude and sleaze.
Very reminiscent of John Major's (who also liked to shag around)...
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 12, 2020 12:13:01 GMT
We can’t agree on this RWB. But this pandemic is far from over and it may transpire that the government actions prevent a second full on outbreak as is happening in other countries that appeared to get it right first time. Who knows. Which countries are you talking about "a second full on outbreak as is happening in other countries that appeared to get it right first time"? Googling "countries with second wave of corona virus" might help you.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 12, 2020 16:08:17 GMT
The fact that this Government is so tawdry, so corrupt, isn't really a shock to me. Just how brazen they are and the levels of contempt they show for anyone outside their own circle does a bit. Disgusting. Again. Another one. This must be illegal
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 12, 2020 16:56:11 GMT
Which countries are you talking about "a second full on outbreak as is happening in other countries that appeared to get it right first time"? Googling "countries with second wave of corona virus" might help you. What I actually googled was what you wrote: "a second full on outbreak" to which I added "of coronavirus". Nice try but not quite the same result
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 12, 2020 17:04:12 GMT
Googling "countries with second wave of corona virus" might help you. What I actually googled was what you wrote: "a second full on outbreak" to which I added "of coronavirus". Nice try but not quite the same result Jesus fucking Christ ......do you actually have a life
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 15, 2020 20:02:24 GMT
Patel bullying report being ‘held back’ by Downing Street linkAn investigation into allegations of bullying by Priti Patel contains “robust criticisms” of the home secretary’s behaviour but its findings are being held back by Downing Street over fears they could be embarrassing, Whitehall officials said.
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 16, 2020 1:44:39 GMT
Whip removed from Tory MP who ran against PM's security committee chair pick link
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 16, 2020 6:38:04 GMT
Whip removed from Tory MP who ran against PM's security committee chair pick linkWhat is especially laughable at that story is not the rather spiteful and childish response, which is entirely par for the course for this lot. No, it's the fact that the Bluffer's preferred choice was Chris Grayling, a man with such a record of incompetence he is widely known as Failing Grayling. What could possibly have gone wrong giving the Chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee to a man who awarded a ferry contract to a firm with no ferries! Reports based on takeaway menus perhaps?!
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 16, 2020 10:07:21 GMT
Russia report is being published.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 20, 2020 23:19:13 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 21, 2020 6:26:09 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 21, 2020 10:27:25 GMT
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