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Post by Eggybread on Jan 16, 2020 13:14:32 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 17, 2020 12:05:57 GMT
It seems as though we are diving straight into another bloody recession.Worrying times indeed for those who are concerned.I dont think the country can take much more of this and I fear trouble ahead.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 17, 2020 13:10:31 GMT
For someone that hails from a teaching background, his oratory skills aren’t all that. I hope he didn’t read from script in lessons or he’d send the kids to sleep. £@#& 0££ up the Vale!
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Post by 3putts on Jan 17, 2020 13:19:56 GMT
For someone that hails from a teaching background, his oratory skills aren’t all that. I hope he didn’t read from script in lessons or he’d send the kids to sleep. £@#& 0££ up the Vale! Fuk me and that is the best we can find to represent us? We're doomed
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 17, 2020 14:33:31 GMT
When the thread was started Theresa May was PM and in my opinion the Government was utter shambles. We have since had a change of government. In my opinion Boris is doing as well as could be expected , in fact probably exceeding expectations given the circumstances. Even if you disagree I don't think his government could be called shambles and arguably the realistic alternatives would have been more shambolic. You may not like Boris/ Hate the Tories but at the moment it is far from shambles.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 17, 2020 14:42:57 GMT
When the thread was started Theresa May was PM and in my opinion the Government was utter shambles. We have since had a change of government. In my opinion Boris is doing as well as could be expected , in fact probably exceeding expectations given the circumstances. Even if you disagree I don't think his government could be called shambles and arguably the realistic alternatives would have been more shambolic. You may not like Boris/ Hate the Tories but at the moment it is far from shambles. Exceeding expectations he hasnt done anything.I suppose he hasnt fucked anything up yet or insulted anyone so in that sense he has exceeded.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 17, 2020 15:14:11 GMT
Fucking bastard tories trying to get more doctors to work longer or carry on working smh.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 17, 2020 15:42:18 GMT
When the thread was started Theresa May was PM and in my opinion the Government was utter shambles. We have since had a change of government. In my opinion Boris is doing as well as could be expected , in fact probably exceeding expectations given the circumstances. Even if you disagree I don't think his government could be called shambles and arguably the realistic alternatives would have been more shambolic. You may not like Boris/ Hate the Tories but at the moment it is far from shambles. Exceeding expectations he hasnt done anything.I suppose he hasnt fucked anything up yet or insulted anyone so in that sense he has exceeded. People expected him to have been a buffoon. Some said that he would be the shortest serving PM in history. We seem to be having a period of relative calm following 4 years of turbulence in possibly the worst period of constitutional crisis since the war. It is certainly not over, I think it is just the beginning.....but it is not utter chaos as much as you seem as you would like to gloat that it is. Being realistic, who could have steadied the ship any better?........ Swinson...Bollox to Brexit let's start again, Bollox to 17.4 m Corbyn.....( I think).....6 months of " renegotiation "...fake pseudo/further referendum...chaos Pragmatically, Boris was the best option.... for stability
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Post by 3putts on Jan 17, 2020 16:01:04 GMT
Fucking bastard tories trying to get more doctors to work longer or carry on working smh. The doctors allready work long hours do you want them to flog themselves to death. Ask any doctor its not about the money they want help on the front line of the nhs
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 17, 2020 16:20:26 GMT
Fucking bastard tories trying to get more doctors to work longer or carry on working smh. The doctors allready work long hours do you want them to flog themselves to death. Ask any doctor its not about the money they want help on the front line of the nhs Correction it is the about the money it's about the income tax which negates extra hours income
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 17, 2020 19:06:18 GMT
Fucking bastard tories trying to get more doctors to work longer or carry on working smh. Drs work with some of the most desperate, difficult & hopeless people in society. MrsBath gave up a job in Bath looking after the worried well in Lycra, to going to deal with people with real health issues in deepest darkest Somerset. People like YeokelXx
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Post by Kilo on Jan 17, 2020 19:18:47 GMT
When the thread was started Theresa May was PM and in my opinion the Government was utter shambles. We have since had a change of government. In my opinion Boris is doing as well as could be expected , in fact probably exceeding expectations given the circumstances. Even if you disagree I don't think his government could be called shambles and arguably the realistic alternatives would have been more shambolic. You may not like Boris/ Hate the Tories but at the moment it is far from shambles. Exceeding expectations he hasnt done anything.I suppose he hasnt fucked anything up yet or insulted anyone so in that sense he has exceeded.So he's currently doing better than you are, that can't sit well with you.
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Post by 3putts on Jan 18, 2020 6:57:10 GMT
Exceeding expectations he hasnt done anything.I suppose he hasnt fucked anything up yet or insulted anyone so in that sense he has exceeded. People expected him to have been a buffoon. Some said that he would be the shortest serving PM in history. We seem to be having a period of relative calm following 4 years of turbulence in possibly the worst period of constitutional crisis since the war. It is certainly not over, I think it is just the beginning.....but it is not utter chaos as much as you seem as you would like to gloat that it is. Being realistic, who could have steadied the ship any better?........ Swinson...Bollox to Brexit let's start again, Bollox to 17.4 m Corbyn.....( I think).....6 months of " renegotiation "...fake pseudo/further referendum...chaos Pragmatically, Boris was the best option.... for stability what has he done since being elected? gone on holiday with his posh pals. since then we have trump bumping off one of his enemies [silence] this leading to the downing of a passenger jet with a loss of over 150 lives[silence]catastrophic bush fires in Australia[silence] oh hang on the saviour of the people has appointed one of his cronies to the panel investigating the grenfall tragedy the fact that he has links to the cladding company used at grenfall shouldn't be a concern to us!!!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 18, 2020 8:34:12 GMT
People expected him to have been a buffoon. Some said that he would be the shortest serving PM in history. We seem to be having a period of relative calm following 4 years of turbulence in possibly the worst period of constitutional crisis since the war. It is certainly not over, I think it is just the beginning.....but it is not utter chaos as much as you seem as you would like to gloat that it is. Being realistic, who could have steadied the ship any better?........ Swinson...Bollox to Brexit let's start again, Bollox to 17.4 m Corbyn.....( I think).....6 months of " renegotiation "...fake pseudo/further referendum...chaos Pragmatically, Boris was the best option.... for stability what has he done since being elected? gone on holiday with his posh pals. since then we have trump bumping off one of his enemies [silence] this leading to the downing of a passenger jet with a loss of over 150 lives[silence]catastrophic bush fires in Australia[silence] oh hang on the saviour of the people has appointed one of his cronies to the panel investigating the grenfall tragedy the fact that he has links to the cladding company used at grenfall shouldn't be a concern to us!!! . At the moment this government isn't utter shambles
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 18, 2020 8:34:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 8:38:12 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 29, 2020 9:35:53 GMT
Bonzo Boris’ Brexit Bonanza💸
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 29, 2020 13:22:03 GMT
Northern rail to be put into public ownership I dont know all these commie left wing socialist ideas.Totally unworkable. Ahh but if the tories do it its for a damn good reason. Mick Whelan, general secretary of train drivers' union ASLEF, welcomed the move. But he warned: "There won't be an immediate improvement because many of the systemic failures at Northern - the late delivery of new rolling stock, the cancellation by the Conservative government of infrastructure upgrades , trying to run a service with too few drivers - cannot be remedied overnight." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51298820
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 29, 2020 15:44:46 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 29, 2020 16:16:57 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2020 9:05:59 GMT
In cases like this where the family say it's somebody else's fault, what were his children and family doing? read the full story, here is an extract from it: - His GP and the Nottinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust agreed to have him sectioned in 2015, but he returned home to Pine View flats, Radford after a matter of days. After this he was rarely seen, missing several GP appointments and refusing approaches from mental health teams. Mr Graham also ignored repeated contact from the DWP and his employment and support allowance (ESA) was stopped in August 2017. This also affected his housing benefit, which ceased on 10 October.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 30, 2020 9:18:14 GMT
In cases like this where the family say it's somebody else's fault, what were his children and family doing? read the full story, here is an extract from it: - His GP and the Nottinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust agreed to have him sectioned in 2015, but he returned home to Pine View flats, Radford after a matter of days. After this he was rarely seen, missing several GP appointments and refusing approaches from mental health teams. Mr Graham also ignored repeated contact from the DWP and his employment and support allowance (ESA) was stopped in August 2017. This also affected his housing benefit, which ceased on 10 October. Family ?The man was mentally ill. What were the social services doing(O I forgot the tories have sacked them all ) The man had obviously mental issues and should have been given more help. Tragic.But you keep on defending the indefensible
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2020 10:16:06 GMT
In cases like this where the family say it's somebody else's fault, what were his children and family doing? read the full story, here is an extract from it: - His GP and the Nottinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust agreed to have him sectioned in 2015, but he returned home to Pine View flats, Radford after a matter of days. After this he was rarely seen, missing several GP appointments and refusing approaches from mental health teams. Mr Graham also ignored repeated contact from the DWP and his employment and support allowance (ESA) was stopped in August 2017. This also affected his housing benefit, which ceased on 10 October. Family ?The man was mentally ill. What were the social services doing(O I forgot the tories have sacked them all ) The man had obviously mental issues and should have been given more help. Tragic.But you keep on defending the indefensible No, the Tories hadn't sacked them all, and as mentioned why weren't the family pushing harder to the authorities or taking him food, I would if it was my family. Social services should have been involved. As mentioned he refused contact many times from the DWP, social services should have been brought in then, even when the last contact was made a "The last official contact was with housing provider Nottingham City Homes, which heard him shouting and punching a door during a visit in February 2018." Here is the make up of Nottingham City Council 50 Labour Group Councillors 2 Conservative Group Councillors 3 Independent Group Councillors Councillor Adele Williams Sherwood Ward Councillor and Portfolio Holder Adult Care and Local Transport. Party: Labour
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 30, 2020 10:34:10 GMT
Family ?The man was mentally ill. What were the social services doing(O I forgot the tories have sacked them all ) The man had obviously mental issues and should have been given more help. Tragic.But you keep on defending the indefensible No, the Tories hadn't sacked them all, and as mentioned why weren't the family pushing harder to the authorities or taking him food, I would if it was my family. Social services should have been involved. As mentioned he refused contact many times from the DWP, social services should have been brought in then, even when the last contact was made a "The last official contact was with housing provider Nottingham City Homes, which heard him shouting and punching a door during a visit in February 2018." Here is the make up of Nottingham City Council 50 Labour Group Councillors 2 Conservative Group Councillors 3 Independent Group Councillors Councillor Adele Williams Sherwood Ward Councillor and Portfolio Holder Adult Care and Local Transport. Party: Labour No they havent sacked the ALL (if you to be arsey about it).So no cuts in mental health support then. You keep asking about the family when you no nothing about them whatsoever.Plus Im pretty sure that the family can cope without any help to someone who has been sectioned dont you? Of course he missed dates and contacts,he was mentally ill,jesus. What has the breakdown of the council got to do with anything at all. What planet are you on ffs?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 30, 2020 11:07:13 GMT
No, the Tories hadn't sacked them all, and as mentioned why weren't the family pushing harder to the authorities or taking him food, I would if it was my family. Social services should have been involved. As mentioned he refused contact many times from the DWP, social services should have been brought in then, even when the last contact was made a "The last official contact was with housing provider Nottingham City Homes, which heard him shouting and punching a door during a visit in February 2018." Here is the make up of Nottingham City Council 50 Labour Group Councillors 2 Conservative Group Councillors 3 Independent Group Councillors Councillor Adele Williams Sherwood Ward Councillor and Portfolio Holder Adult Care and Local Transport. Party: Labour No they havent sacked the ALL (if you to be arsey about it).So no cuts in mental health support then. You keep asking about the family when you no nothing about them whatsoever.Plus Im pretty sure that the family can cope without any help to someone who has been sectioned dont you? Of course he missed dates and contacts,he was mentally ill,jesus. What has the breakdown of the council got to do with anything at all. What planet are you on ffs? I want to live in a caring society. Don't we all. The Atlee government was revolutionary and radically changed the uk, not only in terms of the health service and education but also social care. Not only did it do that it also changed culture and the direction of society. " Caring " , looking after our people, protecting the vulnerable became embedded in our psyche, culture and as a responsibility of the state....and was not left to the benevolence of rich individuals.I'm all in favour and such a tumultuous change change in fabric and thought could only have happened following something as seismic as the second world war. We literally rebuilt and transformed the nation. ( that's where the left have let the working class down by not grasping the opportunity of Brexit but that's another story) Unfortunately as society moves on it seems that there is a danger each generation takes for granted what is in fact precious and delicate( the "vote" and Brexit) Each generation needs to scrutinise and protect what is important....in a genuine way. What was promised in 1945 is completely different to what is demanded and possible in 2020. It is not free. We need to ask if and how and at what level we can afford it. But to get to my point....because we see " caring" as such a major function of the state it is easy to absolve responsibility and always see caring as someone else's responsibility, someone else's fault and with the expectation that perfection can be delivered. In the past families and very much local communities were the primary carers of loved ones( of course families still are)....but as a Muslim friend of mine says " you won't see a muslim elderly person in care, we look after them as part of the family" ( or at least very rarely....a different culture). The Welfare state was set out to be a safety net. And unfortunately the whole thing becomes just another political football....by the political class.....I don't think that one of the battles is just left/ right but also politicians,rule makers/ the people
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 11:28:09 GMT
No they havent sacked the ALL (if you to be arsey about it).So no cuts in mental health support then. You keep asking about the family when you no nothing about them whatsoever.Plus Im pretty sure that the family can cope without any help to someone who has been sectioned dont you? Of course he missed dates and contacts,he was mentally ill,jesus. What has the breakdown of the council got to do with anything at all. What planet are you on ffs? I want to live in a caring society. Don't we all. The Atlee government was revolutionary and radically changed the uk, not only in terms of the health service and education but also social care. Not only did it do that it also changed culture and the direction of society. " Caring " , looking after our people, protecting the vulnerable became embedded in our psyche, culture and as a responsibility of the state....and was not left to the benevolence of rich individuals.I'm all in favour and such a tumultuous change change in fabric and thought could only have happened following something as seismic as the second world war. We literally rebuilt and transformed the nation. ( that's where the left have let the working class down by not grasping the opportunity of Brexit but that's another story) Unfortunately as society moves on it seems that there is a danger each generation takes for granted what is in fact precious and delicate. Each generation needs to scrutinise and protect what is important....in a genuine way. What was promised in 1945 is completely different to what is demanded and possible in 2020. It is not free. We need to ask if and how and at what level we can afford it. But to get to my point....because we see " caring" as such a major function of the state it is easy to absolve responsibility and always see caring as someone else's responsibility, someone else's fault and with the expectation that perfection can be delivered. In the past families and very much local communities were the primart carers of loved ones( of course families still are)....but as a Muslim friend of mine says " you won't see a muslim elderly person in care, we look after them as part of the family" ( or at least very rarely....a different culture. The Welfare state was set out to be a safety net. And unfortunately the whole thing becomes just another political football. I also want to live in a caring society John, but I honestly don’t think everyone thinks that way. For some it’s all about self interest, nothing else really matters until they’re unfortunate enough to land themselves in a situation where they may need help with whatever service they require.....
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 30, 2020 11:46:25 GMT
I want to live in a caring society. Don't we all. The Atlee government was revolutionary and radically changed the uk, not only in terms of the health service and education but also social care. Not only did it do that it also changed culture and the direction of society. " Caring " , looking after our people, protecting the vulnerable became embedded in our psyche, culture and as a responsibility of the state....and was not left to the benevolence of rich individuals.I'm all in favour and such a tumultuous change change in fabric and thought could only have happened following something as seismic as the second world war. We literally rebuilt and transformed the nation. ( that's where the left have let the working class down by not grasping the opportunity of Brexit but that's another story) Unfortunately as society moves on it seems that there is a danger each generation takes for granted what is in fact precious and delicate. Each generation needs to scrutinise and protect what is important....in a genuine way. What was promised in 1945 is completely different to what is demanded and possible in 2020. It is not free. We need to ask if and how and at what level we can afford it. But to get to my point....because we see " caring" as such a major function of the state it is easy to absolve responsibility and always see caring as someone else's responsibility, someone else's fault and with the expectation that perfection can be delivered. In the past families and very much local communities were the primart carers of loved ones( of course families still are)....but as a Muslim friend of mine says " you won't see a muslim elderly person in care, we look after them as part of the family" ( or at least very rarely....a different culture. The Welfare state was set out to be a safety net. And unfortunately the whole thing becomes just another political football. I also want to live in a caring society John, but I honestly don’t think everyone thinks that way. For some it’s all about self interest, nothing else really matters until they’re unfortunate enough to land themselves in a situation where they may need help with whatever service they require..... I think we all would like to live in a caring society But for that to happen there has to be a fundamental change in personal attitudes My parents were married for forty two years till my father sadly died on his sixty fifth birthday I don't think they ever lived on there own My mothers mother and older brother lived with them till there deaths plus us three kids We looked after each other before even thinking of asking someone else Untill we look after are own before expecting others to do it for us than there will be more unfortunate sad deaths
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Post by Northy on Jan 30, 2020 11:48:30 GMT
No, the Tories hadn't sacked them all, and as mentioned why weren't the family pushing harder to the authorities or taking him food, I would if it was my family. Social services should have been involved. As mentioned he refused contact many times from the DWP, social services should have been brought in then, even when the last contact was made a "The last official contact was with housing provider Nottingham City Homes, which heard him shouting and punching a door during a visit in February 2018." Here is the make up of Nottingham City Council 50 Labour Group Councillors 2 Conservative Group Councillors 3 Independent Group Councillors Councillor Adele Williams Sherwood Ward Councillor and Portfolio Holder Adult Care and Local Transport. Party: Labour No they havent sacked the ALL (if you to be arsey about it).So no cuts in mental health support then. You keep asking about the family when you no nothing about them whatsoever.Plus Im pretty sure that the family can cope without any help to someone who has been sectioned dont you? Of course he missed dates and contacts,he was mentally ill,jesus. What has the breakdown of the council got to do with anything at all. What planet are you on ffs? Planet reality, where I don't expect the government to prvide for my every whim. the breakdown of the council is showing you, who has posted about the Tory Government, that it is labour in charge of the council and especially Adult care, as you highlighted an adult that needed help, that's not really rocket science is it?
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 30, 2020 11:50:51 GMT
No they havent sacked the ALL (if you to be arsey about it).So no cuts in mental health support then. You keep asking about the family when you no nothing about them whatsoever.Plus Im pretty sure that the family can cope without any help to someone who has been sectioned dont you? Of course he missed dates and contacts,he was mentally ill,jesus. What has the breakdown of the council got to do with anything at all. What planet are you on ffs? Planet reality, where I don't expect the government to prvide for my every whim. the breakdown of the council is showing you, who has posted about the Tory Government, that it is labour in charge of the council and especially Adult care, as you highlighted an adult that needed help, that's not really rocket science is it? Brilliant,callous comedy gold..Ill share this if ya dont mind.
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Post by Eggybread on Jan 30, 2020 12:36:09 GMT
No they havent sacked the ALL (if you to be arsey about it).So no cuts in mental health support then. You keep asking about the family when you no nothing about them whatsoever.Plus Im pretty sure that the family can cope without any help to someone who has been sectioned dont you? Of course he missed dates and contacts,he was mentally ill,jesus. What has the breakdown of the council got to do with anything at all. What planet are you on ffs? I want to live in a caring society. Don't we all. The Atlee government was revolutionary and radically changed the uk, not only in terms of the health service and education but also social care. Not only did it do that it also changed culture and the direction of society. " Caring " , looking after our people, protecting the vulnerable became embedded in our psyche, culture and as a responsibility of the state....and was not left to the benevolence of rich individuals.I'm all in favour and such a tumultuous change change in fabric and thought could only have happened following something as seismic as the second world war. We literally rebuilt and transformed the nation. ( that's where the left have let the working class down by not grasping the opportunity of Brexit but that's another story) Unfortunately as society moves on it seems that there is a danger each generation takes for granted what is in fact precious and delicate( the "vote" and Brexit) Each generation needs to scrutinise and protect what is important....in a genuine way. What was promised in 1945 is completely different to what is demanded and possible in 2020. It is not free. We need to ask if and how and at what level we can afford it. But to get to my point....because we see " caring" as such a major function of the state it is easy to absolve responsibility and always see caring as someone else's responsibility, someone else's fault and with the expectation that perfection can be delivered. In the past families and very much local communities were the primary carers of loved ones( of course families still are)....but as a Muslim friend of mine says " you won't see a muslim elderly person in care, we look after them as part of the family" ( or at least very rarely....a different culture). The Welfare state was set out to be a safety net. And unfortunately the whole thing becomes just another political football....by the political class.....I don't think that one of the battles is just left/ right but also politicians,rule makers/ the people Yes ,but the man was mentally ill.The system let him down for whatever reason,but there are far far too many similar cases in recent years.And yes tory cuts have a lot to do with it.
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