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Post by wannabee on Oct 7, 2022 20:46:26 GMT
Your aware where the current head of CBI hails from?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 7, 2022 21:51:38 GMT
This aged well. How much have we given to energy companies this year that we own 0% of?
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 7, 2022 21:53:26 GMT
I didn't have Burns Baby Burns indiscretion being Spice Girls related for sure!
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Post by henry on Oct 7, 2022 21:59:33 GMT
We have an energy crisis We have an environmental crisis We have 3hr blackouts possible Jrm wants to run energy saving campaign What does truss do Veto campaign And prepares more licenses for extracting fossil fuel Shes living up to her name as mad lizzy I will show my arse in Burtons window if this happens. Fear mongering on a covid scale. Take a step back, turn off the news, it will help you.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 7, 2022 22:02:46 GMT
We have an energy crisis We have an environmental crisis We have 3hr blackouts possible Jrm wants to run energy saving campaign What does truss do Veto campaign And prepares more licenses for extracting fossil fuel Shes living up to her name as mad lizzy I will show my arse in Burtons window if this happens. Fear mongering on a covid scale. Take a step back, turn off the news, it will help you. It is the National Grid itself that have said this!
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Post by henry on Oct 7, 2022 22:05:06 GMT
I will show my arse in Burtons window if this happens. Fear mongering on a covid scale. Take a step back, turn off the news, it will help you. It is the National Grid itself that have said this! same reply
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 7, 2022 22:17:03 GMT
It is the National Grid itself that have said this! same reply I never thought we'd live in a country where 81,000 selfish, right wing, octogenarian cuntwits could make the country massively poorer in just a few weeks but we live and learn don't we.
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Post by henry on Oct 7, 2022 22:24:17 GMT
I never thought we'd live in a country where 81,000 selfish, right wing, octogenarian cuntwits could make the country massively poorer in just a few weeks but we live and learn don't we. I agree (apart from the labelling) that a prime minister can be be elected by such a means is totally unacceptable, and, take four or five fucking weeks to do it.
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Post by 828492 on Oct 7, 2022 22:28:32 GMT
Does anyone know what this latest increase in mortgage rates has on new and existing ‘equity release’ deals? Asking for a friend.
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Post by gawa on Oct 7, 2022 22:31:19 GMT
It is the National Grid itself that have said this! same reply What do they achieve by this scare mongering though? Like what do you think the reason behind it all is? Do you think the blackouts under Thatcher were real or do you think that was all planned to scare monger us? What should we be doing to counter this as citizens? Turning the TV off is just burying the head in the sand. Do you believe in the Ukraine war too? Or do you think that's just scare mongering and actors, and that world leaders have made up this war as an excuse to raise energy prices and control us?
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Post by wannabee on Oct 7, 2022 22:42:56 GMT
Im just waiting for the "there all the same" "bring back Boris" or "she acted decisively " on Conor Burns Apologists to come on
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Post by henry on Oct 7, 2022 22:43:13 GMT
What do they achieve by this scare mongering though? Like what do you think the reason behind it all is? Fear, they love it.Do you think the blackouts under Thatcher were real or do you think that was all planned to scare monger us? Don't actually remember them? i've witnessed temporary power cuts through out time but never "black outs"What should we be doing to counter this as citizens? Turning the TV off is just burying the head in the sand. Avoiding the news is fantastic for mental health. Media and "they" are now running things, governments are just side shows. Don't ask who they are because i don't know.Do you believe in the Ukraine war too? Or do you think that's just scare mongering and actors, and that world leaders have made up this war as an excuse to raise energy prices and control us?, It's a strange war alright.
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Post by gawa on Oct 7, 2022 22:58:57 GMT
What do they achieve by this scare mongering though? Like what do you think the reason behind it all is? Fear, they love it.Do you think the blackouts under Thatcher were real or do you think that was all planned to scare monger us? Don't actually remember them? i've witnessed temporary power cuts through out time but never "black outs"What should we be doing to counter this as citizens? Turning the TV off is just burying the head in the sand. Avoiding the news is fantastic for mental health. Media and "they" are now running things, governments are just side shows. Don't ask who they are because i don't know.Do you believe in the Ukraine war too? Or do you think that's just scare mongering and actors, and that world leaders have made up this war as an excuse to raise energy prices and control us?, It's a strange war alright. But what's the goal or incentive? Or even end game? Like imagine you're some sort of psychopath and part of a mutiny controlling this world. And out of everything you can do. You choose to make people lock themselves at home, wash their hands frequently and wear a face mask to the shop for a few years? Or instead you talk about a "blackout" which many people have already experienced in their lifetimes in the UK. And that's to cause this terrible fear they get a kick out of. I dunno. I just think if I was some hidden elite in control of the world, and I wanted to cause fear, there's probably about a thousand things I'd choose to do before these. And what about countries such as North Korea, Russia, China and Pakistan for example. Are they controlled by the same elite? Or are they real governments which arent controlled by the same media elite that we supposedly are?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 7, 2022 23:26:50 GMT
But what's the goal or incentive? Or even end game? Like imagine you're some sort of psychopath and part of a mutiny controlling this world. And out of everything you can do. You choose to make people lock themselves at home, wash their hands frequently and wear a face mask to the shop for a few years? Or instead you talk about a "blackout" which many people have already experienced in their lifetimes in the UK. And that's to cause this terrible fear they get a kick out of. I dunno. I just think if I was some hidden elite in control of the world, and I wanted to cause fear, there's probably about a thousand things I'd choose to do before these. And what about countries such as North Korea, Russia, China and Pakistan for example. Are they controlled by the same elite? Or are they real governments which arent controlled by the same media elite that we supposedly are? But you're over thinking it. Why are you surprised that governments around the world took the opportunity to have more control? Nothing has changed for thousands of years. It was painfully obvious that the boundaries were being pushed more and more throughout the pandemic. That's not saying covid wasn't real or vaccines are made of Bill Gates juice! We were starting to see some pretty disturbing scenes, comments and laws. We owe an awful lot to the minority of politicians who finally stood up to the insanity. Credit to the likes of Steve Baker (a voice for the voiceless during that period) and dare I say it Jeremy Corbyn who ultimately stood up against some of the bonkers proposals. Starmer was a fucking disgrace during covid and his baseless calls for more "circuit breakers" and endless lockdowns were unforgivable. Its mental how people have just let that stuff go. Let's also not forget, by all accounts, had Boris not been pressurised into keeping us open last winter by his cabinet, that bastard would have plunged the country into even more economical and sociatal chaos. The mainstream media were absolutely evil. Its sickening that the likes of Kuntsberg and Beth Rigby still have a platform.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 7, 2022 23:40:08 GMT
What do they achieve by this scare mongering though? Like what do you think the reason behind it all is? Fear, they love it.Do you think the blackouts under Thatcher were real or do you think that was all planned to scare monger us? Don't actually remember them? i've witnessed temporary power cuts through out time but never "black outs"What should we be doing to counter this as citizens? Turning the TV off is just burying the head in the sand. Avoiding the news is fantastic for mental health. Media and "they" are now running things, governments are just side shows. Don't ask who they are because i don't know.Do you believe in the Ukraine war too? Or do you think that's just scare mongering and actors, and that world leaders have made up this war as an excuse to raise energy prices and control us?, It's a strange war alright.
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Post by gawa on Oct 8, 2022 0:28:00 GMT
But what's the goal or incentive? Or even end game? Like imagine you're some sort of psychopath and part of a mutiny controlling this world. And out of everything you can do. You choose to make people lock themselves at home, wash their hands frequently and wear a face mask to the shop for a few years? Or instead you talk about a "blackout" which many people have already experienced in their lifetimes in the UK. And that's to cause this terrible fear they get a kick out of. I dunno. I just think if I was some hidden elite in control of the world, and I wanted to cause fear, there's probably about a thousand things I'd choose to do before these. And what about countries such as North Korea, Russia, China and Pakistan for example. Are they controlled by the same elite? Or are they real governments which arent controlled by the same media elite that we supposedly are? But you're over thinking it. Why are you surprised that governments around the world took the opportunity to have more control? Nothing has changed for thousands of years. It was painfully obvious that the boundaries were being pushed more and more throughout the pandemic. That's not saying covid wasn't real or vaccines are made of Bill Gates juice! We were starting to see some pretty disturbing scenes, comments and laws. We owe an awful lot to the minority of politicians who finally stood up to the insanity. Credit to the likes of Steve Baker (a voice for the voiceless during that period) and dare I say it Jeremy Corbyn who ultimately stood up against some of the bonkers proposals. Starmer was a fucking disgrace during covid and his baseless calls for more "circuit breakers" and endless lockdowns were unforgivable. Its mental how people have just let that stuff go. Let's also not forget, by all accounts, had Boris not been pressurised into keeping us open last winter by his cabinet, that bastard would have plunged the country into even more economical and sociatal chaos. The mainstream media were absolutely evil. Its sickening that the likes of Kuntsberg and Beth Rigby still have a platform. I'm not overthinking it at all. Henry believes there is an elite group that control all governments and media. And that this group fabricated covid and energy crisis to cause wide spread fear because they love it. I just find it a really strange thing to do. Because if you control the world surely you can do something much more exciting. And if you get a kick from fear then why not crash a few more planes or trains into buildings. Let off a few bombs in highly populated areas. Maybe even launch a nuclear bomb. Contaminate the tap water. Loads of things. I think if you just believe something without questioning it then you lack critical thinking. Who, what, where, when, why? With regards to Steve Baker, actions speak louder than words. He voted against a public inquiry into covid-19 multiple times and as recently as July. Feels to me more like he went against the grain to please a subset of his supporters. But when push came to shove and his vote could make a difference in a bill, he stuck with his Tory pals. If he was as opposed to covid-19 as you say. Why vote against an inquiry? Also side note. The man also voted to keep abortions outlawed in Northern Ireland a couple of years ago too. Draconian. Not sure what Starmer has to do with anything here. Its the Tory goverment who were handling the situation, he was just a single voter on a ballot. Just like Kier Starmer has little to no influence on the mess the Torys are creating now. For someone who appears to be so opposed to covid, you're surprisingly supportive of the party that had more votes for covid restrictions than any other, Bill after Bill after Bill. And the same party who voted against a public inquiry into it too. Is that Labour's fault too? Again, I'm not sure you understand how the house of commons work. Kier Starmer is just one man. For further covid restrictions to apply, he would have had to create a bill and get it passed in the house of commons and Lords. For Labour to have such a bill passed all their members would need to vote for it in the commons along with 128 other voters from opposition parties to get a majority. And around 30 of those would need to be Tories too. Conservatives on the other hand can pass anything providing no more than 30 of their members vote against it. I know you desperately want to blame labour for corona virus and you like to reference it as though Labour are responsible for restricting your rights. But they literally had very little influence and anything the tories wanted to do they could easily pass through the house of commons. Such as passing the bills which meant only those vaccinated could visit care homes, needing a negative test or vaccine to enter large venues, additional face mask restrictions and having to isolate for 2 weeks if you came into close contact with someone with omicron. And for every one of those examples above the Torys had 100 more people voting for them than all the other parties added together. They were also all passed last December by Boris crew. It feels a bit like the elite newspapers which control things.... Have somehow managed to scaremonger you of Labour and delude you into believing they are responsible for every decision you don't agree with.
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Post by gawa on Oct 8, 2022 0:47:37 GMT
henry I think I sort of understand your point now after that discussion with bianca. I don't agree with all of it but I get it. It's a bit like being a football fan and your team (mps) play games (bills they vote for) and get results (in bills too). But then if the football fan (bianca) doesn't understand the rules of the game (parliament) and doesn't check the fixtures/scores and their results (the votes for the bills) then effectively it makes the influence of the goverment slightly redundant because they're not being judged on their actions. Instead people like bianca are judging them by what the media elite write in their newspapers. So it's like following Stoke and not watching the games (bills) or looking at the results (votes) . But instead reading an out of context paragraph from a match report (the sun newspaper) and taking that view as what happened. Which thus is giving the media elite the control you speak of.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 8, 2022 0:52:50 GMT
But what's the goal or incentive? Or even end game? Like imagine you're some sort of psychopath and part of a mutiny controlling this world. And out of everything you can do. You choose to make people lock themselves at home, wash their hands frequently and wear a face mask to the shop for a few years? Or instead you talk about a "blackout" which many people have already experienced in their lifetimes in the UK. And that's to cause this terrible fear they get a kick out of. I dunno. I just think if I was some hidden elite in control of the world, and I wanted to cause fear, there's probably about a thousand things I'd choose to do before these. And what about countries such as North Korea, Russia, China and Pakistan for example. Are they controlled by the same elite? Or are they real governments which arent controlled by the same media elite that we supposedly are? But you're over thinking it. Why are you surprised that governments around the world took the opportunity to have more control? Nothing has changed for thousands of years. It was painfully obvious that the boundaries were being pushed more and more throughout the pandemic. That's not saying covid wasn't real or vaccines are made of Bill Gates juice! We were starting to see some pretty disturbing scenes, comments and laws. We owe an awful lot to the minority of politicians who finally stood up to the insanity. Credit to the likes of Steve Baker (a voice for the voiceless during that period) and dare I say it Jeremy Corbyn who ultimately stood up against some of the bonkers proposals. Starmer was a fucking disgrace during covid and his baseless calls for more "circuit breakers" and endless lockdowns were unforgivable. Its mental how people have just let that stuff go. Let's also not forget, by all accounts, had Boris not been pressurised into keeping us open last winter by his cabinet, that bastard would have plunged the country into even more economical and sociatal chaos. The mainstream media were absolutely evil. Its sickening that the likes of Kuntsberg and Beth Rigby still have a platform.
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Post by milton58 on Oct 8, 2022 3:36:12 GMT
We have an energy crisis We have an environmental crisis We have 3hr blackouts possible Jrm wants to run energy saving campaign What does truss do Veto campaign And prepares more licenses for extracting fossil fuel Shes living up to her name as mad lizzy I will show my arse in Burtons window if this happens. Fear mongering on a covid scale. Take a step back, turn off the news, it will help you. are Burton's still going
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 8, 2022 5:53:52 GMT
But you're over thinking it. Why are you surprised that governments around the world took the opportunity to have more control? Nothing has changed for thousands of years. It was painfully obvious that the boundaries were being pushed more and more throughout the pandemic. That's not saying covid wasn't real or vaccines are made of Bill Gates juice! We were starting to see some pretty disturbing scenes, comments and laws. We owe an awful lot to the minority of politicians who finally stood up to the insanity. Credit to the likes of Steve Baker (a voice for the voiceless during that period) and dare I say it Jeremy Corbyn who ultimately stood up against some of the bonkers proposals. Starmer was a fucking disgrace during covid and his baseless calls for more "circuit breakers" and endless lockdowns were unforgivable. Its mental how people have just let that stuff go. Let's also not forget, by all accounts, had Boris not been pressurised into keeping us open last winter by his cabinet, that bastard would have plunged the country into even more economical and sociatal chaos. The mainstream media were absolutely evil. Its sickening that the likes of Kuntsberg and Beth Rigby still have a platform. I'm not overthinking it at all. Henry believes there is an elite group that control all governments and media. And that this group fabricated covid and energy crisis to cause wide spread fear because they love it. I just find it a really strange thing to do. Because if you control the world surely you can do something much more exciting. And if you get a kick from fear then why not crash a few more planes or trains into buildings. Let off a few bombs in highly populated areas. Maybe even launch a nuclear bomb. Contaminate the tap water. Loads of things. I think if you just believe something without questioning it then you lack critical thinking. Who, what, where, when, why? With regards to Steve Baker, actions speak louder than words. He voted against a public inquiry into covid-19 multiple times and as recently as July. Feels to me more like he went against the grain to please a subset of his supporters. But when push came to shove and his vote could make a difference in a bill, he stuck with his Tory pals. If he was as opposed to covid-19 as you say. Why vote against an inquiry? Also side note. The man also voted to keep abortions outlawed in Northern Ireland a couple of years ago too. Draconian. Not sure what Starmer has to do with anything here. Its the Tory goverment who were handling the situation, he was just a single voter on a ballot. Just like Kier Starmer has little to no influence on the mess the Torys are creating now. For someone who appears to be so opposed to covid, you're surprisingly supportive of the party that had more votes for covid restrictions than any other, Bill after Bill after Bill. And the same party who voted against a public inquiry into it too. Is that Labour's fault too? Again, I'm not sure you understand how the house of commons work. Kier Starmer is just one man. For further covid restrictions to apply, he would have had to create a bill and get it passed in the house of commons and Lords. For Labour to have such a bill passed all their members would need to vote for it in the commons along with 128 other voters from opposition parties to get a majority. And around 30 of those would need to be Tories too. Conservatives on the other hand can pass anything providing no more than 30 of their members vote against it. I know you desperately want to blame labour for corona virus and you like to reference it as though Labour are responsible for restricting your rights. But they literally had very little influence and anything the tories wanted to do they could easily pass through the house of commons. Such as passing the bills which meant only those vaccinated could visit care homes, needing a negative test or vaccine to enter large venues, additional face mask restrictions and having to isolate for 2 weeks if you came into close contact with someone with omicron. And for every one of those examples above the Torys had 100 more people voting for them than all the other parties added together. They were also all passed last December by Boris crew. It feels a bit like the elite newspapers which control things.... Have somehow managed to scaremonger you of Labour and delude you into believing they are responsible for every decision you don't agree with. That post literally makes no sense. It was late on a Saturday night so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt ☺️
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 8, 2022 7:00:10 GMT
But what's the goal or incentive? Or even end game? Like imagine you're some sort of psychopath and part of a mutiny controlling this world. And out of everything you can do. You choose to make people lock themselves at home, wash their hands frequently and wear a face mask to the shop for a few years? Or instead you talk about a "blackout" which many people have already experienced in their lifetimes in the UK. And that's to cause this terrible fear they get a kick out of. I dunno. I just think if I was some hidden elite in control of the world, and I wanted to cause fear, there's probably about a thousand things I'd choose to do before these. And what about countries such as North Korea, Russia, China and Pakistan for example. Are they controlled by the same elite? Or are they real governments which arent controlled by the same media elite that we supposedly are? But you're over thinking it. Why are you surprised that governments around the world took the opportunity to have more control? Nothing has changed for thousands of years. It was painfully obvious that the boundaries were being pushed more and more throughout the pandemic. That's not saying covid wasn't real or vaccines are made of Bill Gates juice! We were starting to see some pretty disturbing scenes, comments and laws. We owe an awful lot to the minority of politicians who finally stood up to the insanity. Credit to the likes of Steve Baker (a voice for the voiceless during that period) and dare I say it Jeremy Corbyn who ultimately stood up against some of the bonkers proposals. Starmer was a fucking disgrace during covid and his baseless calls for more "circuit breakers" and endless lockdowns were unforgivable. Its mental how people have just let that stuff go. Let's also not forget, by all accounts, had Boris not been pressurised into keeping us open last winter by his cabinet, that bastard would have plunged the country into even more economical and sociatal chaos. The mainstream media were absolutely evil. Its sickening that the likes of Kuntsberg and Beth Rigby still have a platform. Please keep your Covid related nonsense to that thread. There are pages and pages of posters reinforcing their own belief that Covid was some kind of "never-ending, totalitarian, population controlling, dystopian, fascist, fake pandemic" in which every single government and media outlet were complicit. If that's what they want to belief then that's their safe space to do so and the rest of us can just quietly ignore them, with the odd wry chuckle at the madness of it all. Thanks.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 8, 2022 7:13:43 GMT
Is Conor Burns another cock-grabber in the Tory party?
This must be about the tenth Tory MP to have had the whip removed as a result of sexual misconduct in the last year or so.
What's wrong with these people?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 8, 2022 7:16:37 GMT
But you're over thinking it. Why are you surprised that governments around the world took the opportunity to have more control? Nothing has changed for thousands of years. It was painfully obvious that the boundaries were being pushed more and more throughout the pandemic. That's not saying covid wasn't real or vaccines are made of Bill Gates juice! We were starting to see some pretty disturbing scenes, comments and laws. We owe an awful lot to the minority of politicians who finally stood up to the insanity. Credit to the likes of Steve Baker (a voice for the voiceless during that period) and dare I say it Jeremy Corbyn who ultimately stood up against some of the bonkers proposals. Starmer was a fucking disgrace during covid and his baseless calls for more "circuit breakers" and endless lockdowns were unforgivable. Its mental how people have just let that stuff go. Let's also not forget, by all accounts, had Boris not been pressurised into keeping us open last winter by his cabinet, that bastard would have plunged the country into even more economical and sociatal chaos. The mainstream media were absolutely evil. Its sickening that the likes of Kuntsberg and Beth Rigby still have a platform. Please keep your Covid related nonsense to that thread. There are pages and pages of posters reinforcing their own belief that Covid was some kind of "never-ending, totalitarian, population controlling, dystopian, fascist, fake pandemic" in which every single government and media outlet were complicit. If that's what they want to belief then that's their safe space to do so and the rest of us can just quietly ignore them, with the odd wry chuckle at the madness of it all. Thanks. Translates as: "I know I got it horribly wrong about supporting lockdowns, I'm deeply embarrassed, don't want to talk about it and would much rather wank off over Labour on here" 😆
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 8, 2022 7:38:54 GMT
Please keep your Covid related nonsense to that thread. There are pages and pages of posters reinforcing their own belief that Covid was some kind of "never-ending, totalitarian, population controlling, dystopian, fascist, fake pandemic" in which every single government and media outlet were complicit. If that's what they want to belief then that's their safe space to do so and the rest of us can just quietly ignore them, with the odd wry chuckle at the madness of it all. Thanks. Translates as: "I know I got it horribly wrong about supporting lockdowns, I'm deeply embarrassed, don't want to talk about it and would much rather wank off over Labour on here" 😆 Lockdowns stopped the nhs completely grinding to a halt. They went on too long because they started too late, shorter lockdowns from implementing them earlier would have been the best of a terrible situation until the vaccine got us out of it. The reality is that we had to have lockdowns according to frontline nhs workers, who I believe more than you. You clearly knew nobody who died or who got seriously ill, or you don’t care. It is a selfish point of view. Covid is largely behind us, so you can stop your nonsense conspiracy theories and move on. We spend less per capita on healthcare than the majority of comparable Western European countries. Had we been spending lots more and had a more prepared NHS, perhaps we would have managed ok without lockdowns. But that’s not our country. Anyway, as we know, brexit will create more long term damage to our economy than covid. Covid isn’t the time when insolvency was at record levels. That’s now: www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/07/company-insolvencies-hit-13-year-high-in-england-and-wales
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 8, 2022 7:51:29 GMT
Translates as: "I know I got it horribly wrong about supporting lockdowns, I'm deeply embarrassed, don't want to talk about it and would much rather wank off over Labour on here" 😆 Lockdowns stopped the nhs completely grinding to a halt. They went on too long because they started too late, shorter lockdowns from implementing them earlier would have been the best of a terrible situation until the vaccine got us out of it. The reality is that we had to have lockdowns according to frontline nhs workers, who I believe more than you. You clearly knew nobody who died or who got seriously ill, or you don’t care. It is a selfish point of view. Covid is largely behind us, so you can stop your nonsense conspiracy theories and move on. We spend less per capita on healthcare than the majority of comparable Western European countries. Had we been spending lots more and had a more prepared NHS, perhaps we would have managed ok without lockdowns. But that’s not our country. Anyway, as we know, brexit will create more long term damage to our economy than covid. Covid isn’t the time when insolvency was at record levels. That’s now: www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/07/company-insolvencies-hit-13-year-high-in-england-and-walesOne of my favorite posts ever. Mainly because of how dumb it is. Remainer blames brexit for economic disaster, casually dismissing the fact that government shut society down for 18 months. A shut down that involved locking people in there home, banning businesses from trading and allowing people out once a day for a one hour walk 😂😂 Come on mate, even you can't believe that kind of shit. If you think brexit is more a reason for the global economical catastrophe then you're even more indoctrinated than I thought. P.s this whole "we locked down too late" bollocks is just ill informed garbage with absolutely zero evidence to back it up. Even your hard line lockdown fanatical government scientists don't put that line out anymore. Sweden and Florida were and still are just fine without lockdowns. The whole "NHS would have collapsed" line is totally absurd too. Many within the NHS didn't agree with government lockdown policy and in case you weren't aware, it's practically collapsed even with the locking up of a nation.
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Post by lordb on Oct 8, 2022 8:21:05 GMT
But what's the goal or incentive? Or even end game? Like imagine you're some sort of psychopath and part of a mutiny controlling this world. And out of everything you can do. You choose to make people lock themselves at home, wash their hands frequently and wear a face mask to the shop for a few years? Or instead you talk about a "blackout" which many people have already experienced in their lifetimes in the UK. And that's to cause this terrible fear they get a kick out of. I dunno. I just think if I was some hidden elite in control of the world, and I wanted to cause fear, there's probably about a thousand things I'd choose to do before these. And what about countries such as North Korea, Russia, China and Pakistan for example. Are they controlled by the same elite? Or are they real governments which arent controlled by the same media elite that we supposedly are? But you're over thinking it. Why are you surprised that governments around the world took the opportunity to have more control? Nothing has changed for thousands of years. It was painfully obvious that the boundaries were being pushed more and more throughout the pandemic. That's not saying covid wasn't real or vaccines are made of Bill Gates juice! We were starting to see some pretty disturbing scenes, comments and laws. We owe an awful lot to the minority of politicians who finally stood up to the insanity. Credit to the likes of Steve Baker (a voice for the voiceless during that period) and dare I say it Jeremy Corbyn who ultimately stood up against some of the bonkers proposals. Starmer was a fucking disgrace during covid and his baseless calls for more "circuit breakers" and endless lockdowns were unforgivable. Its mental how people have just let that stuff go. Let's also not forget, by all accounts, had Boris not been pressurised into keeping us open last winter by his cabinet, that bastard would have plunged the country into even more economical and sociatal chaos. The mainstream media were absolutely evil. Its sickening that the likes of Kuntsberg and Beth Rigby still have a platform. Kunnesberg is a Tory supporter, thought you'd want more like her instead of the mythical left wing bias that the BBC gets accused of?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 8, 2022 8:27:53 GMT
But you're over thinking it. Why are you surprised that governments around the world took the opportunity to have more control? Nothing has changed for thousands of years. It was painfully obvious that the boundaries were being pushed more and more throughout the pandemic. That's not saying covid wasn't real or vaccines are made of Bill Gates juice! We were starting to see some pretty disturbing scenes, comments and laws. We owe an awful lot to the minority of politicians who finally stood up to the insanity. Credit to the likes of Steve Baker (a voice for the voiceless during that period) and dare I say it Jeremy Corbyn who ultimately stood up against some of the bonkers proposals. Starmer was a fucking disgrace during covid and his baseless calls for more "circuit breakers" and endless lockdowns were unforgivable. Its mental how people have just let that stuff go. Let's also not forget, by all accounts, had Boris not been pressurised into keeping us open last winter by his cabinet, that bastard would have plunged the country into even more economical and sociatal chaos. The mainstream media were absolutely evil. Its sickening that the likes of Kuntsberg and Beth Rigby still have a platform. Kunnesberg is a Tory supporter, thought you'd want more like her instead of the mythical left wing bias that the BBC gets accused of? Why does the fact that she's a Tory supporter make any difference? I couldn't care less what party she supports. Labour, Tory, Lib Dems, its all much of a muchness.
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Post by henry on Oct 8, 2022 8:55:28 GMT
Translates as: "I know I got it horribly wrong about supporting lockdowns, I'm deeply embarrassed, don't want to talk about it and would much rather wank off over Labour on here" 😆 Lockdowns stopped the nhs completely grinding to a halt. They went on too long because they started too late, shorter lockdowns from implementing them earlier would have been the best of a terrible situation until the vaccine got us out of it. The reality is that we had to have lockdowns according to frontline nhs workers, who I believe more than you. You clearly knew nobody who died or who got seriously ill, or you don’t care. It is a selfish point of view. Covid is largely behind us, so you can stop your nonsense conspiracy theories and move on.We spend less per capita on healthcare than the majority of comparable Western European countries. Had we been spending lots more and had a more prepared NHS, perhaps we would have managed ok without lockdowns. But that’s not our country. Anyway, as we know, brexit will create more long term damage to our economy than covid. Covid isn’t the time when insolvency was at record levels. That’s now: www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/07/company-insolvencies-hit-13-year-high-in-england-and-walesWhy should people move on ?. People are dying through lack of seeing GP's for 2 years. Do you not think this is a scandal ? 2020 was the year government became untouchable and unaccountable, Lies were told with a shrug of shoulders.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 8, 2022 9:00:56 GMT
Lockdowns stopped the nhs completely grinding to a halt. They went on too long because they started too late, shorter lockdowns from implementing them earlier would have been the best of a terrible situation until the vaccine got us out of it. The reality is that we had to have lockdowns according to frontline nhs workers, who I believe more than you. You clearly knew nobody who died or who got seriously ill, or you don’t care. It is a selfish point of view. Covid is largely behind us, so you can stop your nonsense conspiracy theories and move on.We spend less per capita on healthcare than the majority of comparable Western European countries. Had we been spending lots more and had a more prepared NHS, perhaps we would have managed ok without lockdowns. But that’s not our country. Anyway, as we know, brexit will create more long term damage to our economy than covid. Covid isn’t the time when insolvency was at record levels. That’s now: www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/07/company-insolvencies-hit-13-year-high-in-england-and-walesWhy should people move on ?. People are dying through lack of seeing GP's for 2 years. Do you not think this is a scandal ? 2020 was the year government became untouchable and unaccountable, Lies were told with a shrug of shoulders. I agree that the nhs is in bits. It was pre covid. It is post covid. It needs proper management and funding. But lockdowns helped the nhs when it came to covid. Why is it that in Germany and France you can get quick access to high quality healthcare? They had covid. They don’t have to wait to see GPs.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 8, 2022 9:04:17 GMT
Lockdowns stopped the nhs completely grinding to a halt. They went on too long because they started too late, shorter lockdowns from implementing them earlier would have been the best of a terrible situation until the vaccine got us out of it. The reality is that we had to have lockdowns according to frontline nhs workers, who I believe more than you. You clearly knew nobody who died or who got seriously ill, or you don’t care. It is a selfish point of view. Covid is largely behind us, so you can stop your nonsense conspiracy theories and move on.We spend less per capita on healthcare than the majority of comparable Western European countries. Had we been spending lots more and had a more prepared NHS, perhaps we would have managed ok without lockdowns. But that’s not our country. Anyway, as we know, brexit will create more long term damage to our economy than covid. Covid isn’t the time when insolvency was at record levels. That’s now: www.theguardian.com/business/2022/oct/07/company-insolvencies-hit-13-year-high-in-england-and-walesWhy should people move on ?. People are dying through lack of seeing GP's for 2 years. Do you not think this is a scandal ? 2020 was the year government became untouchable and unaccountable, Lies were told with a shrug of shoulders. The government inquiries will be a total farce as well. They'll completely dismiss any investigation into collateral damage of lockdowns and will focus on totally mute points like "did we lock down hard enough". Why are Tories and Labour going to want to confront and investigate horrors that they supported. Then again, it never ceases to amaze me how much a subsection of British society adore government hand holding and state intervention.
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