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Post by elystokie on Aug 8, 2022 15:59:33 GMT
If I'd realised you were assuming that all of the immigrants were going to London I'd have got it the first time i did infer the illegal ones Do you think all 17,000 are going to be staying in London? If we extrapolate it to ten years say, so multiply the figure for London by 20 to cover that ten years, still assuming they're all actually going to London and staying there I get a figure of around .28% for London and nowt for the rest of the country. That's over a ten year period, less than third of a percent for London and a zero increase for the rest of the country using your model. I'm not sure this is the huge issue the Daily Heil would have you believe it is.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 8, 2022 16:53:12 GMT
If I'd realised you were assuming that all of the immigrants were going to London I'd have got it the first time i did infer the illegal ones It's like two bald guys fighting over a comb
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 8, 2022 17:50:15 GMT
Can someone tell me why our government won’t intervene to prevent an increase to the energy price cap, and to then also prevent the oil and gas producers who have just posted record profits from ramping up charges for energy providers (to the extent they are actually different from the energy producers). France limit the increase to the price cap.
That single move helps with both inflation and the cost of living crisis.
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Post by lordb on Aug 8, 2022 17:52:04 GMT
Can someone tell me why our government won’t intervene to prevent an increase to the energy price cap, and to then also prevent the oil and gas producers who have just posted record profits from ramping up charges for energy providers (to the extent they are actually different from the energy producers). France limit the increase to the price cap. That single move helps with both inflation and the cost of living crisis. Nope, can't see any explanation
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 8, 2022 17:53:39 GMT
Can someone tell me why our government won’t intervene to prevent an increase to the energy price cap, and to then also prevent the oil and gas producers who have just posted record profits from ramping up charges for energy providers (to the extent they are actually different from the energy producers). France limit the increase to the price cap. That single move helps with both inflation and the cost of living crisis. Nope, can't see any explanation They should make me PM
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 8, 2022 18:06:02 GMT
Can someone tell me why our government won’t intervene to prevent an increase to the energy price cap, and to then also prevent the oil and gas producers who have just posted record profits from ramping up charges for energy providers (to the extent they are actually different from the energy producers). France limit the increase to the price cap. That single move helps with both inflation and the cost of living crisis. Aren't you one of those who complains on the government breaking the law on things like that not interviewing a disabled person or non white person for an unpaid nhs role ? Under what law could they do this ? The french government owns a substantial portion of EDF so they have used "shareholder" power to limit the price rise, the UK government does not own any of the energy companies, capping the price rise for the suppliers does not work if the cost of buying it from producers keeps rising and before anyone says nationalise the energy companies here, just bear in mind the french government is now on the hook for 60bn+ of EDF debt after recently paying 10bn to acquire 100% ownership I believe.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 8, 2022 18:28:15 GMT
I don’t believe the government have a cap on business energy prices nor do they on the oil people use to power their homes. I know they don’t want to put price caps in for these but they also say they want to stop inflation, this would definitely help. Increase the public debt to try to bring inflation down feels like a bet worth taking.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 8, 2022 19:37:45 GMT
Can someone tell me why our government won’t intervene to prevent an increase to the energy price cap, and to then also prevent the oil and gas producers who have just posted record profits from ramping up charges for energy providers (to the extent they are actually different from the energy producers). France limit the increase to the price cap. That single move helps with both inflation and the cost of living crisis. Aren't you one of those who complains on the government breaking the law on things like that not interviewing a disabled person or non white person for an unpaid nhs role ? Under what law could they do this ? The french government owns a substantial portion of EDF so they have used "shareholder" power to limit the price rise, the UK government does not own any of the energy companies, capping the price rise for the suppliers does not work if the cost of buying it from producers keeps rising and before anyone says nationalise the energy companies here, just bear in mind the french government is now on the hook for 60bn+ of EDF debt after recently paying 10bn to acquire 100% ownership I believe. Regulate industry. If the government has the power to set laws for everyone else (and other industries- see FCA for example), it has the power to regulate energy. Indeed, the price cap is an example of how energy is regulated by law. And I literally have no idea what your first paragraph is about.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 8, 2022 23:30:16 GMT
I will reply to each of your comments: " How typically disingenuous to blame EU for a problem made manifestly worse by Brexit Undeniably Agriculture is a polluter but what the Common Agricultural Policy has to do with human waste being pumped into our Rivers and Seas is beyond my comprehension."
The problem of sewage entering UK rivers has not been made significantly worse by Brexit. The Guardian article in your link actually states: " Sewage treatment chemicals have been added to the growing list of products in short supply because of the UK’s chronic lorry driver shortage" www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/07/government-ease-sewage-discharge-rules-amid-chemical-shortageThe Guardian then says much later in the article: " The chemicals industry is the latest in a series of sectors hit by the chronic shortage of lorry drivers caused by Brexit and the pandemic. " The topic of lorry diver shortages has been debated at length on this MB. The Guardian are as usual showing their anti Brexit bias and failing to list the full facts. Firstly there was already a lorry driver shortage throughout Europe and North America before the pandemic. The pandemic caused a lot of HGV lorry drivers to change profession and switch to alternative employment such as delivering for supermarkets. Some foreign lorry drivers returned to their homeland during the pandemic to be with their families. It is accepted that some foreign lorry drivers chose not to return to the UK after the pandemic, but the main factor that stopped lorry drivers returning the the UK was the government introducing the IR35 rules to make sure that workers, who would have been an employee if they were providing their services directly to the client, pay broadly the same Income Tax and National Insurance contributions as employees. These rules "dis-incentivised" many foreign workers from returning to the UK, or indeed to leave the UK, because now they would be required to pay more tax. Some I understand were previously claiming their accommodation in the UK and travelling from their homeland as expenses against taxation. The fact that there was no serious implications from the driver shortage during the pandemic, or after the pandemic, or after the UK left the EU, but only after April 2021 when the IR35 rules were introduced. is evidence that that is the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. To return to your first paragraph above, it is a fact that agriculture is the main source of pollution of UK rivers and much of Europe, which in turn is attributable to the EU Common Agricultural Policy that drives intensive farming. I did not state that the CAP was the cause of sewage entering water courses. I was putting the sources of river pollution in context. There seems to be an inference that sewage entering water courses in a new thing. It has been going on since man first walked on the earth and relieved himself. The first sewers discharged into waterways untreated effluent. The treatment of sewage has been a slow progression since Victorian times. Even in my youth in the 40s and 50s it was customary for all coastal towns to discharge their effluent into the sea. It has always been the case that in the event of heavy rain sewage overflowed from sewers that are to this day unable to cope with the extra load. In most of the world sewage is discharged to waterways in fact in India only 20% of sewage is treated. To return to your post and the second paragraph: " As said Brexit has made the situation much worse as the Environment Agency gave Water Companies Carte Blanche to dump Raw Sewage because Chemicals to treat it were unavailable due to logistics issues in supply from EU as a result of Brexit"
Water companies were not given Carte Blanche to dump raw sewage that is completely untrue. Your own link says " The government has told wastewater plants in England they may be able to discharge effluent that has not been fully treated " " may be able" is not carte Blanche; " not been fully treated" is not dumping raw sewage. The issue was the unavailability of ferric sulphate (a by-product of the steel industry) which is used to flocculate particles in the effluent causing the final effluent to have a lower concentration of suspended solids. Not all plants use ferric sulphate or need to use it all the time, but only under certain operating conditions such as high loading in wet weather. As it happens I don't believe any water company has been found to have polluted any water stream because of a shortage of ferric sulphate. I'd appreciate it if you could advise of any pollution incidents as a result of the easement the EU granted water companies. Next you stated: " The Government further attempted to erode regulation by placing no responsibility on Water Companies for their actions until it was forced into a U Turn by HoL"
Stating the government (EA) tried to place no responsibility on water companies for their actions is nonsense. The companies are required to obtain permits to operate and are required to meet the conditions of those permits. The fact that those conditions fall well short of the expectation of the public is entirely another matter. As I was pointing out to huddy in my original post it is impracticable to prevent sewage discharge into rivers during heavy rain fall; it always has been and it will be for decades to come. Your next link: fullfact.org/environment/murky-claims-about-sewage-bill-fact-checked/The government did not vote to allow sewage to be dumped, it already is and has always been done. The government voted against an amendment that required sewage companies to reduce their discharge of sewage. That is quite logical. The incidents of sewage discharge are increasing each year due to climate change and increased frequency of weather extremes. To pass a law at this time would be like Canute commanding the tide to stop. Your next comment was: " Another Brexit lie was that UK would have Greener Legislation after Brexit Of course this was rhetoric and the opposite is true"www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/16/ministers-watering-down-green-pledges-post-brexit-study-findsPlease read again slowly, the article says absolutely nothing of any substance, and is really just a load of eccentric "greens" belly aching because the UK has left the EU. The fact is the UK has started to reverse the dreadful EU common agricultural policy which is extremely against the interests of any decent person and the environment. The new agriculture legislation includes Environmental Stewardship, a scheme under which farmers and land managers are paid for effectively managing their land in a manner which protects and enhances the environment and wildlife. This policy could not be adopted without the UK having restored sovereignty. Furthermore relevant to main topic under debate the government has issued a plan to curb pollution from the "most damaging" storm overflows by 75% by 2035, and 80% of all discharges by 2050. The Tideway project is the first major step. This could also have been done if the UK had remained in the EU. As for the ownership of water companies, I am not really interested, neither are the politicians. The water industry was privatised by a Tory government in 1989 and we have had different governments since then that have chosen not to change it. If you want to bang the drum about nationalising water companies carry on.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 9, 2022 5:55:27 GMT
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 9, 2022 6:13:25 GMT
Can someone tell me why our government won’t intervene to prevent an increase to the energy price cap, and to then also prevent the oil and gas producers who have just posted record profits from ramping up charges for energy providers (to the extent they are actually different from the energy producers). France limit the increase to the price cap. That single move helps with both inflation and the cost of living crisis. Nope, can't see any explanation A couple of weeks ago I emailed our MP Gary Streeter regarding the increase in price cap when energy companies are making huge profits. His answer was that, although the large companies like Centrica, Shell and BP were making huge profits, many smaller companies who do not produce gas and oil would quickly go out of business if the energy cap was not raised in October. He did say that another windfall tax on the big companies was on the cards. Regarding France I think they have greater control over energy prices because their energy utilities are nationalised.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 9, 2022 7:14:54 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 9, 2022 7:35:55 GMT
Nope, can't see any explanation A couple of weeks ago I emailed our MP Gary Streeter regarding the increase in price cap when energy companies are making huge profits. His answer was that, although the large companies like Centrica, Shell and BP were making huge profits, many smaller companies who do not produce gas and oil would quickly go out of business if the energy cap was not raised in October. He did say that another windfall tax on the big companies was on the cards. Regarding France I think they have greater control over energy prices because their energy utilities are nationalised. That’s why I suggested that at the same time as limiting the price cap, you regulate to prevent oil and gas producers from selling at the ridiculously overinflated prices to suppliers. We basically must wean ourselves off oil and gas as a matter of urgency to be green and to reduce prices of energy. The government should invest billions into a nationalised green and nuclear energy producer and supplier. Energy will be unaffordable for a significant amount of people from October. Will the cost ever go back down again? Not until we start using renewable energy and nuclear.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 9, 2022 7:40:25 GMT
Nope, can't see any explanation A couple of weeks ago I emailed our MP Gary Streeter regarding the increase in price cap when energy companies are making huge profits. His answer was that, although the large companies like Centrica, Shell and BP were making huge profits, many smaller companies who do not produce gas and oil would quickly go out of business if the energy cap was not raised in October. He did say that another windfall tax on the big companies was on the cards. Regarding France I think they have greater control over energy prices because their energy utilities are nationalised. Nice of your MP to confirm that the government puts business and profit ahead of people. Not that that was at all surprising or unexpected, but good to have it confirmed.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 9, 2022 7:46:15 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 9, 2022 8:11:40 GMT
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 9, 2022 8:47:07 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 9, 2022 8:48:11 GMT
Democracy suspended and government run by big companies. Under this government that isn’t limited to freeports. That’s their policy for the country. The latest was Raab’s attempts to make the government unaccountable for judicial reviews. This government have redistributed wealth from the poor and middle to the rich like levels we have never seem before. Billionaires seem to be going from strength to strength while the rest of us choose between heat and food. Yet the leadership hopefuls are pushing for a smaller state and more austerity, just to kick the have-nots when they are down. The only hope is that the recession and cost of living is rightly blamed on the tories, and that labour back a democratic voting system if they get into power. Market economics for essentials like water and energy has failed. We need state run essentials like green/nuclear energy and water.
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 9, 2022 8:48:30 GMT
it's the deregulation and further breakdown of our land, laws and rights. Enabled by brexit.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 9, 2022 8:55:46 GMT
it's the deregulation and further breakdown of our land, laws and rights. Enabled by brexit. Post-Brexit deregulation was inevitable - it's the only way to try to make it work when you've chosen a route which makes the country £80-£100bn worse off every year. What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 9, 2022 9:05:41 GMT
Well, well.
Seems like the piss your pants topic for the day is Freeports.
Fill your pants boys.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 9, 2022 9:13:32 GMT
Well, well. Seems like the piss your pants topic for the day is Freeports. Fill your pants boys. This is what we really should be pissing our pants about whilst lazy fatso is on holiday, and Dizzy and The Billionaire have their 'right wing off' across the Golf Clubs of England. When will the first fuel poverty death be? I'll go for early November.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 9, 2022 9:16:43 GMT
Well, well. Seems like the piss your pants topic for the day is Freeports. Fill your pants boys. Seek help for your urine soaked underwear fetish before it turns into full blown mysophilia.........
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 9, 2022 9:34:16 GMT
Well, well. Seems like the piss your pants topic for the day is Freeports. Fill your pants boys. This is what we really should be pissing our pants about whilst lazy fatso is on holiday, and Dizzy and The Billionaire have their 'right wing off' across the Golf Clubs of England. When will the first fuel poverty death be? I'll go for early November. Not sure I’d be pissing my pants about anything, but this is a vitally important topic that the Government has been far too quiet on.
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Post by yeokel on Aug 9, 2022 9:37:28 GMT
Democracy suspended and government run by big companies. Under this government that isn’t limited to freeports. That’s their policy for the country. The latest was Raab’s attempts to make the government unaccountable for judicial reviews. This government have redistributed wealth from the poor and middle to the rich like levels we have never seem before. Billionaires seem to be going from strength to strength while the rest of us choose between heat and food. Yet the leadership hopefuls are pushing for a smaller state and more austerity, just to kick the have-nots when they are down. The only hope is that the recession and cost of living is rightly blamed on the tories, and that labour back a democratic voting system if they get into power. Market economics for essentials like water and energy has failed. We need state run essentials like green/nuclear energy and water. " The only hope is that the recession and cost of living is rightly blamed on the tories, and that labour back a democratic voting system if they get into power." And that the Lib Dems don't side with the Tories again, if there's a hung parliament, eh?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 9, 2022 10:09:40 GMT
Well, well. Seems like the piss your pants topic for the day is Freeports. Fill your pants boys. This is what we really should be pissing our pants about whilst lazy fatso is on holiday, and Dizzy and The Billionaire have their 'right wing off' across the Golf Clubs of England. When will the first fuel poverty death be? I'll go for early November. Pro-Brexit Cornwall enjoying those sunlit uplands right there.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 9, 2022 10:13:28 GMT
This is what we really should be pissing our pants about whilst lazy fatso is on holiday, and Dizzy and The Billionaire have their 'right wing off' across the Golf Clubs of England. When will the first fuel poverty death be? I'll go for early November. Pro-Brexit Cornwall enjoying those sunlit uplands right there. I think Cornwall is the name of the bloke who started the consultancy mate
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 9, 2022 10:13:41 GMT
When will the first fuel poverty death be? I'll go for early November. It's certainly one way of forcing people back to the office. Will people be sleeping in offices to save money on heating homes? Not an option for granny, sadly, but she can always ride a bus all day. Conservative Britain, 2022. Fifth largest economy in the world.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 9, 2022 10:14:18 GMT
Pro-Brexit Cornwall enjoying those sunlit uplands right there. I think Cornwall is the name of the bloke who started the consultancy mate Ooops
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 9, 2022 10:20:30 GMT
When will the first fuel poverty death be? I'll go for early November. It's certainly one way of forcing people back to the office. Will people be sleeping in offices to save money on heating homes? Not an option for granny, sadly, but she can always ride a bus all day. Conservative Britain, 2022. Fifth largest economy in the world. At least they have their latest three word slogan
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