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Post by wannabee on Aug 8, 2022 1:13:09 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 8, 2022 6:27:57 GMT
Don’t expect anything rational, intelligent or sensible from Fuddy. I know. I was just giving a heads up to others on how massive the problem is. I can add that even the £billions spent in London on the Tideway scheme does not solve the issue: www.wired.co.uk/article/sewage-environment-climate-change-londonLondon is lucky some cities are having nothing done such as my local York which relies on the overloaded Victorian drains and it would be a monumental task to sort the sewers out in York. And will continue while private companies fail to invest, instead pushing profits out to tax havens. You know this but like Partick, you seem to be in some state of denial.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 8, 2022 7:21:37 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2022 7:23:45 GMT
Don’t expect anything rational, intelligent or sensible from Fuddy. I know. I was just giving a heads up to others on how massive the problem is. I can add that even the £billions spent in London on the Tideway scheme does not solve the issue: www.wired.co.uk/article/sewage-environment-climate-change-londonLondon is lucky some cities are having nothing done such as my local York which relies on the overloaded Victorian drains and it would be a monumental task to sort the sewers out in York. I see our usual loons are out barking at the moon. Of course, the problem you have highlighted is a complex one. This article, I think, explains the nuances rather well… The Privatization of Public Utilities Has One Major Upside. It covers a report published a few years back from the American Journal of Political Science looking at public and private ownership of utilities noting the challenges arising from each. Of course, there ain’t no easy solution.
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Post by yeokel on Aug 8, 2022 7:35:02 GMT
Don’t expect anything rational, intelligent or sensible from Fuddy. I know. I was just giving a heads up to others on how massive the problem is. I can add that even the £billions spent in London on the Tideway scheme does not solve the issue: www.wired.co.uk/article/sewage-environment-climate-change-londonLondon is lucky some cities are having nothing done such as my local York which relies on the overloaded Victorian drains and it would be a monumental task to sort the sewers out in York. “ and it would be a monumental task to sort the sewers out in York.” Do you think that is an acceptable reason for not doing it though?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 8, 2022 7:44:07 GMT
I know. I was just giving a heads up to others on how massive the problem is. I can add that even the £billions spent in London on the Tideway scheme does not solve the issue: www.wired.co.uk/article/sewage-environment-climate-change-londonLondon is lucky some cities are having nothing done such as my local York which relies on the overloaded Victorian drains and it would be a monumental task to sort the sewers out in York. “ and it would be a monumental task to sort the sewers out in York.” Do you think that is an acceptable reason for not doing it though? Depends whether you genuinely care about improving the environment, or simply want to defend the lack of investment to make a point. Compare the amount of money spent on Covid, or the effort provided to assist Ukraine, fund the royal family, spend on HS2 or refurb parliament. We're constantly reminded that we're the 5th largest economy in the world. There's more than enough money in this country to sort out problems like this, just different levels of political will, and plenty of people to defend the absence of action sadly.
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Post by phileetin on Aug 8, 2022 8:06:27 GMT
“ and it would be a monumental task to sort the sewers out in York.” Do you think that is an acceptable reason for not doing it though? Depends whether you genuinely care about improving the environment, or simply want to defend the lack of investment to make a point. Compare the amount of money spent on Covid, or the effort provided to assist Ukraine, fund the royal family, spend on HS2 or refurb parliament. We're constantly reminded that we're the 5th largest economy in the world. There's more than enough money in this country to sort out problems like this, just different levels of political will, and plenty of people to defend the absence of action sadly. yeah , just keep printing the money
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Post by phileetin on Aug 8, 2022 8:11:51 GMT
17000 illegal immigrants so far this year have got to shit somewhere ?
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Post by elystokie on Aug 8, 2022 8:27:04 GMT
17000 illegal immigrants so far this year have got to shit somewhere ? That amounts to an increase of 0.0002% in shit to be disposed of assuming that they shit the same amount as everyone else and assuming a UK population of 70 million.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2022 8:37:56 GMT
Depends whether you genuinely care about improving the environment, or simply want to defend the lack of investment to make a point. Compare the amount of money spent on Covid, or the effort provided to assist Ukraine, fund the royal family, spend on HS2 or refurb parliament. We're constantly reminded that we're the 5th largest economy in the world. There's more than enough money in this country to sort out problems like this, just different levels of political will, and plenty of people to defend the absence of action sadly. yeah , just keep printing the money Yep, that's the answer. To the followers of the magic money tree. Which, in fairness, does seem to include the current PM and his former chancellor.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 8, 2022 8:41:37 GMT
Depends whether you genuinely care about improving the environment, or simply want to defend the lack of investment to make a point. Compare the amount of money spent on Covid, or the effort provided to assist Ukraine, fund the royal family, spend on HS2 or refurb parliament. We're constantly reminded that we're the 5th largest economy in the world. There's more than enough money in this country to sort out problems like this, just different levels of political will, and plenty of people to defend the absence of action sadly. yeah , just keep printing the money Like I said, borrowing isn't a problem when it "matters". Alternatively, perhaps those private companies could invest more of their profits in improving their infrastructure and less on dividends and executive pay? And if that means the private model for these kind of utilities is not sustainable, then perhaps these kind of utilities should be in public hands instead?
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Post by yeokel on Aug 8, 2022 8:49:19 GMT
“ and it would be a monumental task to sort the sewers out in York.” Do you think that is an acceptable reason for not doing it though? Depends whether you genuinely care about improving the environment, or simply want to defend the lack of investment to make a point. Compare the amount of money spent on Covid, or the effort provided to assist Ukraine, fund the royal family, spend on HS2 or refurb parliament. We're constantly reminded that we're the 5th largest economy in the world. There's more than enough money in this country to sort out problems like this, just different levels of political will, and plenty of people to defend the absence of action sadly. As far as I can see, each government (Lab, Con or Tory supported by the Lib Dems) has the same attitude to the “Victorian sewers” problem which is widespread throughout this green and pleasant land (and Scotland too ). They seem to be either waiting for the next military war to be fought on British soil which will flatten cities forcing a rebuild for the survivors (think Germany after WW2, etc) Or The next ice age which should level most of our cities allowing their regeneration in a few tens of thousand years if there is anyone around to do it Or Perhaps rising sea levels might play their part in wiping out and forcing regeneration of some cities. That probably wouldn’t solve the problem for all cities so is probably the least favoured option. Sadly though, our natural bent towards short-termism in this country simply kicks the can further down the road with no alternative ideas to the above being presented.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 8, 2022 9:16:33 GMT
Depends whether you genuinely care about improving the environment, or simply want to defend the lack of investment to make a point. Compare the amount of money spent on Covid, or the effort provided to assist Ukraine, fund the royal family, spend on HS2 or refurb parliament. We're constantly reminded that we're the 5th largest economy in the world. There's more than enough money in this country to sort out problems like this, just different levels of political will, and plenty of people to defend the absence of action sadly. As far as I can see, each government (Lab, Con or Tory supported by the Lib Dems) has the same attitude to the “Victorian sewers” problem which is widespread throughout this green and pleasant land (and Scotland too ). They seem to be either waiting for the next military war to be fought on British soil which will flatten cities forcing a rebuild for the survivors (think Germany after WW2, etc) Or The next ice age which should level most of our cities allowing their regeneration in a few tens of thousand years if there is anyone around to do it Or Perhaps rising sea levels might play their part in wiping out and forcing regeneration of some cities. That probably wouldn’t solve the problem for all cities so is probably the least favoured option. Sadly though, our natural bent towards short-termism in this country simply kicks the can further down the road with no alternative ideas to the above being presented. And as long as the state seeks to shrink itself further and further and expects private industry to invest in things which don't actually make it any profits, that state of affairs will continue. It's ironic that so many people appear to think that cutting taxes and getting everything off government books saves them money, when the opposite is quite possibly true. You end up paying more for privately owned services, which are often not that much of an improvement, if any. Look at the dentistry situation currently. Nine out of ten are not taking on new NHS patients so more and more people end up paying much more for private treatment and swallow up all those tax cuts Truss and Sunak are currently trying to con people into thinking they'll be better off with. These are the linkages that people need to understand. It's crazy. The private sector has a substantial role to play, of course, but there are some things: health, utilities, rail that should remain largely in public hands with substantial government control, seeking to act in the interest of people first, not profit.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 8, 2022 10:40:00 GMT
I know. I was just giving a heads up to others on how massive the problem is. I can add that even the £billions spent in London on the Tideway scheme does not solve the issue: www.wired.co.uk/article/sewage-environment-climate-change-londonLondon is lucky some cities are having nothing done such as my local York which relies on the overloaded Victorian drains and it would be a monumental task to sort the sewers out in York. I see our usual loons are out barking at the moon. Of course, the problem you have highlighted is a complex one. This article, I think, explains the nuances rather well… The Privatization of Public Utilities Has One Major Upside. It covers a report published a few years back from the American Journal of Political Science looking at public and private ownership of utilities noting the challenges arising from each. Of course, there ain’t no easy solution. I assume I'm one of the Loons Partick refers to and he then links a study of US Water Companies to progress his argument in favour of Private over Public ownership which contains a picture of a Coal Plant in Kansas I must conclude that Patrick is walking down the Yellow Brick Road like the Scarecrow looking for something That Neo Liberal Publication Mail completely disagrees with Patrick's position and urges Minister George Useless to get his shit together and not let it flow into our Rivers and Seas www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-10172167/UKs-cash-drain-water-firms-rack-50bn-debt.htmlFull Privatization of Water and Sanitation in England is rather unique and only occurs elsewhere in Chile and some US Cities Scotland, Wales and NI are Public owned not for profit. Many other Countries use a combination of Public/Private Partnership to control a vital commodity essential to sustainability of life. Are these Private Water Companies doing a good job? Are they Fcuk - an extract from the Mail Article above An investigation by The Mail on Sunday found that nine of Britain's biggest water companies have built up a debt mountain of more than £50billion, siphoning off vast payments in interest rates, dividends and 'finance fees' each year.
And who are these people that own England's Water? Again an extract from the Mail The owners include government-controlled investment funds from China, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Singapore as well as conglomerates and investors from Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, the US, Germany and Malaysia.
Thames Water is Britain's largest water provider and has the largest net debt, at £14.1billion.
It is owned by a group of investors including the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, the China Investment Corporation – two of the world's largest sovereign wealth funds – and the Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System, one of Canada's biggest pension fund
Maybe an alternative definition of Global Britain is that Britain is owned by Countries from all over the Globe
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 8, 2022 11:06:17 GMT
The government's own press release, just over three weeks ago. www.gov.uk/government/news/water-and-sewerage-company-performance-on-pollution-hits-new-low#:~:text=Since%202015%20the%20Environment%20Agency's,%C2%A3150%2C000%20and%20%C2%A3540%2C000. What a surprise, performance sinks to an all time low, and what does the government want to do about it? Why, of course, make it easier to dump sewage into our rivers and seas and reduce the amount of regulation that protects the environment...the government is scrapping a national target for all rivers to be in good health. There are no plans for new goals for the overall quality of rivers after current targets expire in 2027. No great surprise though. If you make the country poorer as a whole, less regulation will inevitably be a consequence. It costs money to enforce regulations, so if you don't have any, no enforcement needed. Shame for the environment, but it comes a long way down the list of priorities for spending for most Tory supporters so politically it makes sense, if not environmentally.
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Post by phileetin on Aug 8, 2022 11:06:48 GMT
17000 illegal immigrants so far this year have got to shit somewhere ? That amounts to an increase of 0.0002% in shit to be disposed of assuming that they shit the same amount as everyone else and assuming a UK population of 70 million. population of greater london = 9.5 million
therefore increase in shit is approx 0.014% in approx 6 months in that region ? extrapolate that .
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2022 11:35:57 GMT
I see our usual loons are out barking at the moon. Of course, the problem you have highlighted is a complex one. This article, I think, explains the nuances rather well… The Privatization of Public Utilities Has One Major Upside. It covers a report published a few years back from the American Journal of Political Science looking at public and private ownership of utilities noting the challenges arising from each. Of course, there ain’t no easy solution. I assume I'm one of the Loons Partick refers to and he then links a study of US Water Companies to progress his argument in favour of Private over Public ownership which contains a picture of a Coal Plant in Kansas I must conclude that Patrick is walking down the Yellow Brick Road like the Scarecrow looking for something That Neo Liberal Publication Mail completely disagrees with Patrick's position and urges Minister George Useless to get his shit together and not let it flow into our Rivers and Seas www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-10172167/UKs-cash-drain-water-firms-rack-50bn-debt.htmlFull Privatization of Water and Sanitation in England is rather unique and only occurs elsewhere in Chile and some US Cities Scotland, Wales and NI are Public owned not for profit. Many other Countries use a combination of Public/Private Partnership to control a vital commodity essential to sustainability of life. Are these Private Water Companies doing a good job? Are they Fcuk - an extract from the Mail Article above An investigation by The Mail on Sunday found that nine of Britain's biggest water companies have built up a debt mountain of more than £50billion, siphoning off vast payments in interest rates, dividends and 'finance fees' each year.
And who are these people that own England's Water? Again an extract from the Mail The owners include government-controlled investment funds from China, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Singapore as well as conglomerates and investors from Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, the US, Germany and Malaysia.
Thames Water is Britain's largest water provider and has the largest net debt, at £14.1billion.
It is owned by a group of investors including the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, the China Investment Corporation – two of the world's largest sovereign wealth funds – and the Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System, one of Canada's biggest pension fund
Maybe an alternative definition of Global Britain is that Britain is owned by Countries from all over the Globe Whatever.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 8, 2022 11:48:28 GMT
Dodgy as fuck to the end. Does the fucker pay for anything?
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Post by wannabee on Aug 8, 2022 12:10:37 GMT
I assume I'm one of the Loons Partick refers to and he then links a study of US Water Companies to progress his argument in favour of Private over Public ownership which contains a picture of a Coal Plant in Kansas I must conclude that Patrick is walking down the Yellow Brick Road like the Scarecrow looking for something That Neo Liberal Publication Mail completely disagrees with Patrick's position and urges Minister George Useless to get his shit together and not let it flow into our Rivers and Seas www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-10172167/UKs-cash-drain-water-firms-rack-50bn-debt.htmlFull Privatization of Water and Sanitation in England is rather unique and only occurs elsewhere in Chile and some US Cities Scotland, Wales and NI are Public owned not for profit. Many other Countries use a combination of Public/Private Partnership to control a vital commodity essential to sustainability of life. Are these Private Water Companies doing a good job? Are they Fcuk - an extract from the Mail Article above An investigation by The Mail on Sunday found that nine of Britain's biggest water companies have built up a debt mountain of more than £50billion, siphoning off vast payments in interest rates, dividends and 'finance fees' each year.
And who are these people that own England's Water? Again an extract from the Mail The owners include government-controlled investment funds from China, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Singapore as well as conglomerates and investors from Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, the US, Germany and Malaysia.
Thames Water is Britain's largest water provider and has the largest net debt, at £14.1billion.
It is owned by a group of investors including the Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, the China Investment Corporation – two of the world's largest sovereign wealth funds – and the Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System, one of Canada's biggest pension fund
Maybe an alternative definition of Global Britain is that Britain is owned by Countries from all over the Globe Whatever. Stunning Riposte Patrick Have you ever been tested for the Dunning-Kruger effect I wonder?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 8, 2022 12:35:11 GMT
Stunning Riposte Patrick Have you ever been tested for the Dunning-Kruger effect I wonder? Been stuck in primary stage for a looooong time I suspect.
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Post by foster on Aug 8, 2022 13:03:16 GMT
Stunning Riposte Patrick Have you ever been tested for the Dunning-Kruger effect I wonder? I assume I'm one of the Loons Partick refers to and he then links a study of US Water Companies to progress his argument in favour of Private over Public ownership which contains a picture of a Coal Plant in Kansas I must conclude that Patrick is walking down the Yellow Brick Road like the Scarecrow looking for something This one cracked me up.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2022 13:14:28 GMT
Stunning Riposte Patrick Have you ever been tested for the Dunning-Kruger effect I wonder? Whatever
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2022 13:27:07 GMT
Stunning Riposte Patrick Have you ever been tested for the Dunning-Kruger effect I wonder? I assume I'm one of the Loons Partick refers to and he then links a study of US Water Companies to progress his argument in favour of Private over Public ownership which contains a picture of a Coal Plant in Kansas I must conclude that Patrick is walking down the Yellow Brick Road like the Scarecrow looking for something This one cracked me up. Little things please little minds.
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Post by gawa on Aug 8, 2022 13:38:07 GMT
I do love our free water and prescriptions in Northern Ireland.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2022 14:21:47 GMT
I do love our free water and prescriptions in Northern Ireland. They ain't free! What you mean is you like not paying directly for water and prescriptions.
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Post by gawa on Aug 8, 2022 14:28:20 GMT
I do love our free water and prescriptions in Northern Ireland. They ain't free! What you mean is you like not paying directly for water and prescriptions. Well obviously it's not free because whoever produces the drugs isn't just deciding to give it to everyone in NI free. But it's free in the sense that we don't pay for it like the English do
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Post by elystokie on Aug 8, 2022 15:01:03 GMT
That amounts to an increase of 0.0002% in shit to be disposed of assuming that they shit the same amount as everyone else and assuming a UK population of 70 million. population of greater london = 9.5 million therefore increase in shit is approx 0.014% in approx 6 months that region ? extrapolate that .
I'm completely missing your point here, sorry, what is it you're trying to say? I got to the figure stated by dividing the number of immigrants by the population of the country, is there something wrong with that calculation?
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Post by phileetin on Aug 8, 2022 15:13:36 GMT
illegal immigrants are probably not evenly distributed therefore the shit is concentrated where the illegal immigrants are , which , i guess , is the south east since they probably don't fancy like travelling any further .
hence why i focused on greater london population .
get it now ?
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Post by elystokie on Aug 8, 2022 15:20:45 GMT
illegal immigrants are probably not evenly distributed therefore the shit is concentrated where the illegal immigrants are , which , i guess , is the south east since they probably don't fancy like travelling any further . hence why i focused on greater london population . get it now ? If I'd realised you were assuming that all of the immigrants were going to London I'd have got it the first time
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Post by phileetin on Aug 8, 2022 15:47:54 GMT
illegal immigrants are probably not evenly distributed therefore the shit is concentrated where the illegal immigrants are , which , i guess , is the south east since they probably don't fancy like travelling any further . hence why i focused on greater london population . get it now ? If I'd realised you were assuming that all of the immigrants were going to London I'd have got it the first time i did infer the illegal ones
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