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Post by knype on Jun 24, 2022 14:59:38 GMT
Not even an example. What is your problem? It wouldn't be would it.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 24, 2022 15:13:48 GMT
The same David Davis jcb have PM the payroll for 8hrs work a year at stupid fees yet another rotten Tory on the take
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 24, 2022 15:30:08 GMT
With old Frosty the Whisky Salesman's supreme confidence in his own Stupidity, its hard to imagine how he screwed up the Brexit negotiations Frosty has also said: "(We need) a real debate about everything that Europe offers,I would add the Single Market and single trade policy. Although estimates vary about how much wealth the single market generates for the UK, since we joined it’s probably in the order of five, six, seven, eight per cent uplift to GDP. For someone on an average salary, that’s about £1,500 pounds a year. Most people think that’s worth having.” Logically therefore - Leaving has cost us "five, six, seven, eight percent of GDP" Which if he truly believes that then surely only a Fuckwitt would want out. However rather like his erstwhile boss I doubt Frosty believes in anything other than raising his own profile. That reverse logic does not hold true. It's a bit like saying most people die in bed so its dangerous to go to bed. I strongly supported the UK joining the EEC, and in the immediate subsequent years it was hugely financially beneficial to all of us. The present EU members plus the UK represented over a third of the world's economy. But since the 90s the world has changed significantly. The Maasricht Treaty took away a lot of UK sovereignty. Some people don't seem to care about that. The rest of the world's economy has grown a lot faster than the EU, which now is less than a fifth of the world economy. The UK was not just been a financial net contributer to the EU throughout its membership, even though Thatcher secured a rebate, the net contribution to the EU was disproportionately high on a wealth per capita basis. Furthermore the UK has a massive trade deficit with the EU over £60billion pa., a third of that with Germany. UK trade with the EU was hardly growing in real terms at c.1% pa, whilst trade with the ROW was growing at 2 to 3 % pa pre pandemic. Outside the EU , UK GPD will grow faster than when we were in the EU, as it has been since we left. (See my post on page 1,464, Brexit thread, 22nd May, paragraph A1.) Don't believe all the predictions of doom and gloom and faulty analyses, which Frost correctly stated this week are not supported by objective analysis. (I am not a Lord Frost fan.) The UK's economy is driven by services notably financial, travel, IT, entertainment, tourism, etc. plus sophisticated high value and engineering products, high value pharmaceuticals, etc. plus some oil and chemicals still, not selling cheese, shellfish, etc. Our customers are the middle classes* of the world, which is hardly growing in Europe, but growing very rapidly in the East. Half the Chinese will be middle class* by 2030, and India will be the world's largest population in 2030. Our other major customer is high tech industry, which Germany has largely "sown up" in the EU apart from armaments, at which the UK is second largest in the world. Our trade with the EU will shrink progressively to about two thirds of what it was, but will still be significant as our nearest neighbours. * middle class - people with disposable income, who buy financial products and luxury goods.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 24, 2022 16:25:51 GMT
Frosty has also said: "(We need) a real debate about everything that Europe offers,I would add the Single Market and single trade policy. Although estimates vary about how much wealth the single market generates for the UK, since we joined it’s probably in the order of five, six, seven, eight per cent uplift to GDP. For someone on an average salary, that’s about £1,500 pounds a year. Most people think that’s worth having.” Logically therefore - Leaving has cost us "five, six, seven, eight percent of GDP" Which if he truly believes that then surely only a Fuckwitt would want out. However rather like his erstwhile boss I doubt Frosty believes in anything other than raising his own profile. That reverse logic does not hold true. It's a bit like saying most people die in bed so its dangerous to go to bed. I strongly supported the UK joining the EEC, and in the immediate subsequent years it was hugely financially beneficial to all of us. The present EU members plus the UK represented over a third of the world's economy. But since the 90s the world has changed significantly. The Maasricht Treaty took away a lot of UK sovereignty. Some people don't seem to care about that. The rest of the world's economy has grown a lot faster than the EU, which now is less than a fifth of the world economy. The UK was not just been a financial net contributer to the EU throughout its membership, even though Thatcher secured a rebate, the net contribution to the EU was disproportionately high on a wealth per capita basis. Furthermore the UK has a massive trade deficit with the EU over £60billion pa., a third of that with Germany. UK trade with the EU was hardly growing in real terms at c.1% pa, whilst trade with the ROW was growing at 2 to 3 % pa pre pandemic. Outside the EU , UK GPD will grow faster than when we were in the EU, as it has been since we left. (See my post on page 1,464, 22nd May, paragraph A1.) Don't believe all the predictions of doom and gloom and faulty analyses, which Frost correctly stated this week are not supported by objective analysis. (I am not a Lord Frost fan.) The UK's economy is driven by services notably financial, travel, IT, entertainment, tourism, etc. plus sophisticated high value and engineering products, high value pharmaceuticals, etc. plus some oil and chemicals still, not selling cheese, shellfish, etc. Our customers are the middle classes* of the world, which is hardly growing in Europe, but growing very rapidly in the East. Half the Chinese will be middle class* by 2030, and India will be the world's largest population in 2030. Our other major customer is high tech industry, which Germany has largely "sown up" in the EU apart from armaments, at which the UK is second largest in the world. Our trade with the EU will shrink progressively to about two thirds of what it was, but will still be significant as our nearest neighbours. * middle class - people with disposable income, who buy financial products and luxury goods. It isn't like saying that at all - an equivalent would be saying lying in bed causes death. If the single market GENERATES something then by definition there is a consequence to turning a generator off (as we may find this winter). And I don't believe all the predictions of gloom and doom ...... anymore than I believe all the predictions of sunlit uplands - into which category your predictions almost exclusively fall - it's all 'jam tomorrow' and saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it a fact or any more likely to happen. My point was that Frosty was an odd choice of reference - a man who seemed to be pro Remain before the referendum but hard Brexit after it (s'ppose it depended on who was paying him at the time). You've also been highly selective about what you've taken from his speech the other day - in which he also said that: Brexit was never primarily about economics or prosperity. We need to be honest about trade offs from leaving instead of 'pretending nothing is going on' or trying to distract people from looking at the figures That it's reasonable to assess UK's exports as 5% kower than if we had remained. So actually - if you're willing to look at what he said in it's entirety - it's probably a more balanced appraisal than anything you've previously countenanced😁
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Post by wannabee on Jun 24, 2022 17:33:00 GMT
Frosty has also said: "(We need) a real debate about everything that Europe offers,I would add the Single Market and single trade policy. Although estimates vary about how much wealth the single market generates for the UK, since we joined it’s probably in the order of five, six, seven, eight per cent uplift to GDP. For someone on an average salary, that’s about £1,500 pounds a year. Most people think that’s worth having.” Logically therefore - Leaving has cost us "five, six, seven, eight percent of GDP" Which if he truly believes that then surely only a Fuckwitt would want out. However rather like his erstwhile boss I doubt Frosty believes in anything other than raising his own profile. That reverse logic does not hold true. It's a bit like saying most people die in bed so its dangerous to go to bed. I strongly supported the UK joining the EEC, and in the immediate subsequent years it was hugely financially beneficial to all of us. The present EU members plus the UK represented over a third of the world's economy. But since the 90s the world has changed significantly. The Maasricht Treaty took away a lot of UK sovereignty. Some people don't seem to care about that. The rest of the world's economy has grown a lot faster than the EU, which now is less than a fifth of the world economy. The UK was not just been a financial net contributer to the EU throughout its membership, even though Thatcher secured a rebate, the net contribution to the EU was disproportionately high on a wealth per capita basis. Furthermore the UK has a massive trade deficit with the EU over £60billion pa., a third of that with Germany. UK trade with the EU was hardly growing in real terms at c.1% pa, whilst trade with the ROW was growing at 2 to 3 % pa pre pandemic. Outside the EU , UK GPD will grow faster than when we were in the EU, as it has been since we left. (See my post on page 1,464, Brexit thread, 22nd May, paragraph A1.) Don't believe all the predictions of doom and gloom and faulty analyses, which Frost correctly stated this week are not supported by objective analysis. (I am not a Lord Frost fan.) The UK's economy is driven by services notably financial, travel, IT, entertainment, tourism, etc. plus sophisticated high value and engineering products, high value pharmaceuticals, etc. plus some oil and chemicals still, not selling cheese, shellfish, etc. Our customers are the middle classes* of the world, which is hardly growing in Europe, but growing very rapidly in the East. Half the Chinese will be middle class* by 2030, and India will be the world's largest population in 2030. Our other major customer is high tech industry, which Germany has largely "sown up" in the EU apart from armaments, at which the UK is second largest in the world. Our trade with the EU will shrink progressively to about two thirds of what it was, but will still be significant as our nearest neighbours. * middle class - people with disposable income, who buy financial products and luxury goods. Seymour has adequately answered most points just like to add a few more 1. I suggest you take your Sovereignty along to your nearest food bank the next time your passing and explain this is the prize they won for becoming poorer 2. We've been outside the EU now for 18 months and GDP is not growing its contracting -0.1% in April and -0.3% in May and forecast to get much worse 3. Agreed Services are 80% of GDP especially Financial so it was bizarre to cut off a huge portion of this with EU In 2018 UK had a Service Trade Surplus with EU of £23B with China in 2019 it was £3.5 with India in 2021 it was actually a deficit of -£3.9B So good luck with replacing existing EU customers with new ones
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 24, 2022 18:43:42 GMT
3 election losses in 1 day lol link
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 24, 2022 20:04:49 GMT
Blaming the lib dems for tory policies now is idiotic! Think about almost every positive policy that came out of the coalition then have a look at where those policies came from: Seed investment tax relief for business investment - lib dems Legalise gay marriage- lib dems Increases to minimum wage - lib dems Increase tax free income threshold - lib dems National green investment bank - lib dems Apprenticeship schemes - lib dems Pupil premiums in schools - lib dems Proper separation of high street and investment banks - lib dems Shared parental leave - lib dems More free childcare- lib dems So basically the vast majority of good that was done during the coalition was lib dem policy and not tory policy. Don’t blame the lib dems for Brown not wanting to form a government with them and Cameron wanting to. They were then walked all over and have been punished since. But is that anger many have against the lib dems worth more of what we have now? The Lib Dems refused to work with Gordon Brown and preferred to work with Cameron. Let's not be rewriting history here please. It was not that simple. Brown didn’t want to work with the lib dems. He was very dubious about a coalition. The lib dems were welcomed with open arms by the far savvier Cameron and the rest is history. blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-road-not-taken-and-the-bad-faith-thesis-why-a-liberal-democrat-labour-coalition-never-happened-in-may-2010/
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 24, 2022 20:07:54 GMT
Blaming the lib dems for tory policies now is idiotic! Think about almost every positive policy that came out of the coalition then have a look at where those policies came from: Seed investment tax relief for business investment - lib dems Legalise gay marriage- lib dems Increases to minimum wage - lib dems Increase tax free income threshold - lib dems National green investment bank - lib dems Apprenticeship schemes - lib dems Pupil premiums in schools - lib dems Proper separation of high street and investment banks - lib dems Shared parental leave - lib dems More free childcare- lib dems So basically the vast majority of good that was done during the coalition was lib dem policy and not tory policy. Don’t blame the lib dems for Brown not wanting to form a government with them and Cameron wanting to. They were then walked all over and have been punished since. But is that anger many have against the lib dems worth more of what we have now? It was Clegg who didn’t like Brown and courted Cameron, not the other way around, as I recall it. Either way, is the anger worth it? Well, all I can say is that it is very deep and very heartfelt. From then on, and from now on I vote for a positive message and not a negative “against” message. That probably isn’t going to win me any government to which I am favourable anytime soon, but at least it will have been my choice and my decision to support something positive, and not just try to avoid something. And, as I said, I think there is a hell of a lot of people who think that way regarding the Liberal party and you underestimate the depth of that feeling that your peril. If labour supporters would prefer in certain seats to vote labour and lose than hold their nose and vote lib dem if it helps to oust the tories and put Labour in power then they are idiots. But it is exactly why Labour should put electoral reform at the heart of their manifesto and then nobody need ever vote against something again, and they can instead vote for something positive.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 24, 2022 20:19:29 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 24, 2022 20:38:51 GMT
I think that depends on who they replace him with. But if a “sensible and moderate” candidate with no baggage was chosen I agree they’d climb up the polls quickly against this lame duck of a Labour leader….. Prey tell where can this mythical creature be found? Currently doing a podcast with Alastair Campbell.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 24, 2022 20:43:01 GMT
"I genuinely, genuinely don't think the way forward is to focus on issues of personality whether they are mine or others."
Of course you don't Boris, of course you don't ...
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 24, 2022 20:47:40 GMT
"I genuinely, genuinely don't think the way forward is to focus on issues of personality whether they are mine or others." Of course you don't Boris, of course you don't ... Do you think he’s thinking of a new career in stand up?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jun 24, 2022 21:58:29 GMT
"I genuinely, genuinely don't think the way forward is to focus on issues of personality whether they are mine or others."
Of course you don't Boris, of course you don't ... It must be hard for a narcissist like Johnson to suggest that people should not focus on his personality . I hope it eats him from the inside out.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 24, 2022 22:15:17 GMT
"I genuinely, genuinely don't think the way forward is to focus on issues of personality whether they are mine or others."
Of course you don't Boris, of course you don't ... It must be hard for a narcissist like Johnson to suggest that people should not focus on his personality . I hope it eats him from the inside out. Oh, I don't know, he'll say anything at any time just to get through the day. Without giving it much thought, I suspect. Give it a week or so and it'll be "Only I've got the personality to lead Britain through the cost of living crisis". It's like Trump. "What I said or did yesterday no longer matters".
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 25, 2022 6:29:31 GMT
Priti Patel to become new Party Chairperson apparently, Matt Hancock to return to the Cabinet, and supporters of the PM are trying to remove members of the 1922 committee to install Boris fans instead, to remove any threat to him.
Is Johnson some kind of Labour stooge, trying to foment outright rebellion and even a split in the Tory Party? He's certainly going the right way about it.
Perhaps mad Nad could do the Home Secretary gig if Patel leaves, that'd help with Johnson's apparent mission to destroy the Tories.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 25, 2022 8:56:55 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 25, 2022 10:27:27 GMT
Going by his latest offering, Bozo seems completely incapable of accepting that he might be even one iota of the problem.
Apparently, it's the people's fault for concentrating on stuff they shouldn't be and the media's fault for force feeding them stuff they don't care about (for which read shouldn't care about, according to Boris obviously, because he doesn't, so why should they).
Instead, they should be focussing on what the government is doing to fix the cost of living crisis, the war and technology and shit.
There's been plenty of focus on that as well, as far as I can see, with the biggest, most regular complaint being, well, what actually are you doing that's making a difference?
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Post by wannabee on Jun 25, 2022 10:29:56 GMT
I was truly shocked when I read this report I'm not trying to make a Political Point its far too serious for that and I expect it could happen under any Government ,but a lot of the problems seem to stem from trying to reorganise the Benefits System UC etc When I looked a little further the problem goes even deeper www.disabilitynewsservice.com/mounting-evidence-of-assessment-crisis-as-dwp-halts-wca-reassessments/The root cause it seems to me its that it's beurocracy gone mad There is an Alphabet Soup of Benefit Claims from UC PIP DLA and various derivations from these and DWP are for whatever reason unable to cope. On the surface it seems a mad attempt by DWP which they are not equipped to do is assign categories of Disability a bit like the Paralympics (which I've never understood) There appears to be a backlog of over 1 million claims which the DWP whether through incompetence, apathy, understaffing or other reasons cannot cope with. I suspect although it is not mentioned in the Articles that it's being exacerbated by I believe up to 2M people with long Covid A common thread running through both Articles is the refusal of DWP to release official data. If this has led to even 1 death never mind the 600 being suggested then changes of Corporate Manslaughter should be brought. I'm looking at you Theresa Coffey Again if understanding the Articles correctly because the DWP are unable to cope they are prioritising new applications Reasonable enough you may think so everyone gets some Benefit but in practice this is why the backlog of 1M is snowballing. It is people who were incorrectly assessed in the first place, their health may have deteriorated, circumstances e.g. living may have changed These are some of the most vulnerable people in our Society living with Mental or Physical Disabilities The additional stress being inflicted has undoubtedly led to suicides As usual its not just the original Victim that suffers but most caring families will step in to try and help causing a spiral. Everyone no matter what their ability should be treated with dignity and pen pushers should not be making decisions on what category box people fit into. FFS we are not a Nazi State The obvious first step must be to release the raw data on claims backlog to assess the scale of the problem
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 25, 2022 10:48:24 GMT
Good grief....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 25, 2022 11:18:37 GMT
Going by his latest offering, Bozo seems completely incapable of accepting that he might be even one iota of the problem. Apparently, it's the people's fault for concentrating on stuff they shouldn't be and the media's fault for force feeding them stuff they don't care about (for which read shouldn't care about, according to Boris obviously, because he doesn't, so why should they). Instead, they should be focussing on what the government is doing to fix the cost of living crisis, the war and technology and shit. There's been plenty of focus on that as well, as far as I can see, with the biggest, most regular complaint being, well, what actually are you doing that's making a difference?
Indeed, I'm beginning to think that he genuinely doesn't think that he's (at least part of) the problem.
Staggering Beth Rigby interview from him this morning, confirming exactly what you've said above ...
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 25, 2022 11:47:08 GMT
Going by his latest offering, Bozo seems completely incapable of accepting that he might be even one iota of the problem. Apparently, it's the people's fault for concentrating on stuff they shouldn't be and the media's fault for force feeding them stuff they don't care about (for which read shouldn't care about, according to Boris obviously, because he doesn't, so why should they). Instead, they should be focussing on what the government is doing to fix the cost of living crisis, the war and technology and shit. There's been plenty of focus on that as well, as far as I can see, with the biggest, most regular complaint being, well, what actually are you doing that's making a difference? Indeed, I'm beginning to think that he genuinely doesn't think that he's (at least part of) the problem. Staggering Beth Rigby interview from him this morning, confirming exactly what you've said above ... Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can: Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it Exaggerate achievements and talents Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations Take advantage of others to get what they want Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others Be envious of others and believe others envy them Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 25, 2022 15:54:06 GMT
The man has become a parody of himself and he doesn't even realise it ... www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61934851Mr Johnson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme, he "humbly and sincerely" accepts criticism. But he said he had to distinguish between "criticism that really matters and criticism that doesn't".
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Post by elystokie on Jun 25, 2022 15:54:12 GMT
Indeed, I'm beginning to think that he genuinely doesn't think that he's (at least part of) the problem. Staggering Beth Rigby interview from him this morning, confirming exactly what you've said above ... Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can: Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it Exaggerate achievements and talents Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations Take advantage of others to get what they want Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others Be envious of others and believe others envy them Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office I also don't think they possess much ability to separate truth from fiction, it's all much of a muchness in their head and they seem unable to get their head around it when you pull them up on their lies. I think they live in some sort of Walter Mitty land, I can't see it being a pleasant existence in the long run.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 25, 2022 16:17:51 GMT
Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can: Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it Exaggerate achievements and talents Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations Take advantage of others to get what they want Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others Be envious of others and believe others envy them Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office I also don't think they possess much ability to separate truth from fiction, it's all much of a muchness in their head and they seem unable to get their head around it when you pull them up on their lies. I think they live in some sort of Walter Mitty land, I can't see it being a pleasant existence in the long run. It probably isn't - particularly as another trait is inability to form long lasting relationships often due to frequent infidelity or disloyalty (who'd have thought?). While I'm not going to feel sorry for him it perhaps does help the uderstanding to acknowledge that he nay have a psychiatric disorder.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 25, 2022 18:03:56 GMT
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Post by 828492 on Jun 25, 2022 19:05:41 GMT
Home Secretary Patel was asked about what she thought about Roe v Wade. She said that she did not mind how they went back to Calais, as long as they did not get to the U K.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 25, 2022 19:21:57 GMT
The five stages of grief Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance FYD is still at No 1 obviously and is very unlikely to move off from that position. From the linked Report most Tory MPs have moved onto No 2 but some have channeled their Anger inward at the "Girls" for reporting the "The Ron Jeremy Fan" 🤣 Others have also reached No 2 but their anger is towards a "Big Dog" fearing he is a "carrier" and may have infected the "Inner Golden Circle" What a delicious pleasure to see these self absorbed assholes tear each other apart in the pursuit of their own self preservation
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 25, 2022 19:23:45 GMT
It looks like the penny has finally dropped with him and he now realises he's toast, fair play for taking it in good spirit, I guess ... vm.tiktok.com/ZMN6KD3xW/?k=1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 23:18:56 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 26, 2022 6:04:07 GMT
I’m sure he thinks about Kylie Minogue too. He’s more chance of a lumber with her than a second never mind third term. And he ain’t getting any favours from down under.
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