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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 21, 2022 8:25:08 GMT
I suspect that's right. It was the same with Jimmy Savile, "that's Jimmy for you". Which is nothing if not ironic given Bozo's desperation to smear Starmer with Savile's non-prosecution recently. It also goes to confirm that, if you've managed to cultivate contacts and a persona where you routinely get away with anything, it's often a dangerous outcome. For lots of innocent victims in Savile's case, for the rest of the country (and numerous women) in Johnson's. Two blokes whose sole purposes in life were/are to get what they wanted at all times and screw the consequences. You'd hope people would've realised that this kind of unthinking, shrug it off, let's just look the other way, he's ok really type of approach isn't sensible. But apparently not. Looking to establish equivalence of Johnson to Saville by way of direct contrast is a cuntish thing to do. But, not surprising coming from you. Do you not think there are parallels between how they go about getting away with things? Both cultivated important contacts in high places Both seem/ed to expect preferential treatment based on who they are/were Both use/d their positions and standing to get away with what they personally want/ed to do Both have/had little respect for the law if it got in the way Both use/d an eccentric, loveable rogue persona to deflect away from what they're really like Both move/d on and cast people aside when they're no longer of any use Both exploit/ed "it's just Boris/Jimmy being Boris/Jimmy" to carry on I think the parallels are pretty obvious, without thinking for one second that Johnson has done anything similar to what Savile was into.
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Post by partickpotter on May 21, 2022 8:28:38 GMT
Looking to establish equivalence of Johnson to Saville by way of direct contrast is a cuntish thing to do. But, not surprising coming from you. Do you not think there are parallels between how they go about getting away with things? Both cultivated important contacts in high places Both seem/ed to expect preferential treatment based on who they are/were Both use/d their positions and standing to get away with what they personally want/ed to do Both have/had little respect for the law if it got in the way Both use/d an eccentric, loveable rogue persona to deflect away from what they're really like Both move/d on and cast people aside when they're no longer of any use Both exploit/ed "it's just Boris/Jimmy being Boris/Jimmy" to carry on I think the parallels are pretty obvious, without thinking for one second that Johnson has done anything similar to what Savile was into. The drawing of equivalence is a cuntish thing to do. But not surprising coming from you.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 21, 2022 8:30:17 GMT
Do you not think there are parallels between how they go about getting away with things? Both cultivated important contacts in high places Both seem/ed to expect preferential treatment based on who they are/were Both use/d their positions and standing to get away with what they personally want/ed to do Both have/had little respect for the law if it got in the way Both use/d an eccentric, loveable rogue persona to deflect away from what they're really like Both move/d on and cast people aside when they're no longer of any use Both exploit/ed "it's just Boris/Jimmy being Boris/Jimmy" to carry on I think the parallels are pretty obvious, without thinking for one second that Johnson has done anything similar to what Savile was into. The drawing of equivalence is a cuntish thing to do. But not surprising coming from you. Try putting that to one side for a second and engaging with the points I made. Just saying "nonsense" doesn't really cut it. Show me what I've said is incorrect if you don't like it.
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Post by partickpotter on May 21, 2022 8:37:18 GMT
The drawing of equivalence is a cuntish thing to do. But not surprising coming from you. Try putting that to one side for a second and engaging with the points I made. Just saying "nonsense" doesn't really cut it. Show me what I've said is incorrect if you don't like it. Just put to one side equating someone with a paedophile? Nope.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 21, 2022 8:40:24 GMT
Try putting that to one side for a second and engaging with the points I made. Just saying "nonsense" doesn't really cut it. Show me what I've said is incorrect if you don't like it. Just put to one side equating someone with a paedophile? Nope. Don't hide behind that, Partick, you're not normally short of opinions. Show me where the parallels I've drawn above about how they get away with stuff is false or incorrect. I'm happy to change my opinion if you come up with some convincing points. You did say "that's Boris for you", which is exactly what they used to say about Savile...
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Post by partickpotter on May 21, 2022 8:47:03 GMT
Just put to one side equating someone with a paedophile? Nope. Don't hide behind that, Partick, you're not normally short of opinions. Show me where the parallels I've drawn above about how they get away with stuff is false or incorrect. I'm happy to change my opinion if you come up with some convincing points. Hide behind equating someone with a paedophile? Nope. You’ve crossed a cuntish red line. You know it, but you won’t go back. Because, well, it doesn’t really need saying. Or saying it will likely get me a ban. So, I’ll leave it at that. Further discussion is fine, but not in the context you’ve created in this exchange.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 21, 2022 8:47:54 GMT
Remember when some people drew equivalence between Corbyn and actual murdering terrorists.
That was fun wasn't it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 21, 2022 8:51:46 GMT
Don't hide behind that, Partick, you're not normally short of opinions. Show me where the parallels I've drawn above about how they get away with stuff is false or incorrect. I'm happy to change my opinion if you come up with some convincing points. Hide behind equating someone with a paedophile? Nope. You’ve crossed a cuntish red line. You know it, but you won’t go back. Because, well, it doesn’t really need saying. Or saying it will likely get me a ban. So, I’ll leave it at that. Further discussion is fine, but not in the context you’ve created in this exchange. Oh dear, nothing? Anyone else want to get beyond the reluctance Partick has to engage further because he can see the obvious parallels but would rather hide behind faux outrage? Just to be clear, I'm talking about the parallels between how they go/went about getting away with stuff, not for one second saying Johnson has done anything like Savile. I'm sure there must be some folk happy enough to discuss the similarities in approach and what it means, if anything. It's probably a reflection of their characters and our society as a whole. The deference and reluctance to challenge our "betters" that is so ingrained in 21st century Britain.
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2022 9:02:12 GMT
Strange that even though there were 12 illegal parties held at one address, the proprietor has not been issued a fine for hosting multiple illegal parties. Plenty of other were fined tens of thousands of pounds for hosting parties at their home. Its almost like some people still dont understand 10 downing street is actually a massive set of government offices (100+) and that PM's since Blair have tended to live at No 11 downing street as the flat is bigger than the small flat in No 10. So apart from him not being the proprietor or the host of any party or them being in his home before we get on to whether these were even parties you point seems to be complete nonsense as usual.
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2022 9:03:24 GMT
Remember when some people drew equivalence between Corbyn and actual murdering terrorists. That was fun wasn't it. Did they when ? His support for actual murdering terrorists is all out there and documented.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 21, 2022 9:07:07 GMT
Remember when some people drew equivalence between Corbyn and actual murdering terrorists. That was fun wasn't it. Did they when ? His support for actual murdering terrorists is all out there and documented. You'll be telling me he was a Czech spy next!
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2022 9:10:36 GMT
Don't hide behind that, Partick, you're not normally short of opinions. Show me where the parallels I've drawn above about how they get away with stuff is false or incorrect. I'm happy to change my opinion if you come up with some convincing points. Hide behind equating someone with a paedophile? Nope. You’ve crossed a cuntish red line. You know it, but you won’t go back. Because, well, it doesn’t really need saying. Or saying it will likely get me a ban. So, I’ll leave it at that. Further discussion is fine, but not in the context you’ve created in this exchange. Does seem a rather odd comparison to try and make when its quite easy to instead compare how Starmer reacted to beergate. One denied it, lied about it, changed their story when confrontex with new evidence then there is how Boris reacted
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2022 9:13:50 GMT
Did they when ? His support for actual murdering terrorists is all out there and documented. You'll be telling me he was a Czech spy next! Actually I think you'll find thats one time I defended Jezza (kind of ) I think I said something like it wasn't believable he was paid as he wouldn't have been any use or known anything and besides he'd have probably done it for free if asked
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 21, 2022 9:33:23 GMT
You'll be telling me he was a Czech spy next! Actually I think you'll find thats one time I defended Jezza (kind of ) I think I said something like it wasn't believable he was paid as he wouldn't have been any use or known anything and besides he'd have probably done it for free if asked I feel the same about Johnson and his links with Russians
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 21, 2022 9:56:49 GMT
Hide behind equating someone with a paedophile? Nope. You’ve crossed a cuntish red line. You know it, but you won’t go back. Because, well, it doesn’t really need saying. Or saying it will likely get me a ban. So, I’ll leave it at that. Further discussion is fine, but not in the context you’ve created in this exchange. Does seem a rather odd comparison to try and make when its quite easy to instead compare how Starmer reacted to beergate. One denied it, lied about it, changed their story when confrontex with new evidence then there is how Boris reacted "There were no parties"..."No Covid rules were broken"..."I'm furious about the parties breaking the Covid rules"...."I'm very sorry I was at one of the parties that didn't exist"..."I'll pay the fine"..."No, breaking the law isn't a resigning matter" Yes, he's the virtuous one all right
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Post by oggyoggy on May 21, 2022 10:00:24 GMT
Strange that even though there were 12 illegal parties held at one address, the proprietor has not been issued a fine for hosting multiple illegal parties. Plenty of other were fined tens of thousands of pounds for hosting parties at their home. Its almost like some people still dont understand 10 downing street is actually a massive set of government offices (100+) and that PM's since Blair have tended to live at No 11 downing street as the flat is bigger than the small flat in No 10. So apart from him not being the proprietor or the host of any party or them being in his home before we get on to whether these were even parties you point seems to be complete nonsense as usual. Oh, so No 10 isn’t where the PM lives! How the hell did he get off all the fines then when others were fined for precisely the reason that it wasn’t their home!?
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Post by oggyoggy on May 21, 2022 10:02:28 GMT
Does seem a rather odd comparison to try and make when its quite easy to instead compare how Starmer reacted to beergate. One denied it, lied about it, changed their story when confrontex with new evidence then there is how Boris reacted "There were no parties"..."No Covid rules were broken"..."I'm furious about the parties breaking the Covid rules"...."I'm very sorry I was at one of the parties that didn't exist"..."I'll pay the fine"..."No, breaking the law isn't a resigning matter" Yes, he's the virtuous one all right Allegea Stratton should be suing for constructive dismissal. Remember, she was forced to resign in tears for joking about parties!
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Post by oggyoggy on May 21, 2022 10:08:29 GMT
One thing I really disliked about lockdown was when I was sat in my back garden after work, having a drink with my wife when loads of my colleagues just turned up uninvited and had a party all around us (not that I knew it was a party at the time). I couldn’t believe it. I obviously ignored them all and didn’t join in. And the photos of them drinking with me and my wife at the same table as us aren’t evidence I was at the non-party.
Another time, some people walked into my home to work with my wife (not that she works) and started singing Abba on karaoke (my wife joined in)! Very strange. It was for work though, apparently.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 21, 2022 10:37:49 GMT
"There were no parties"..."No Covid rules were broken"..."I'm furious about the parties breaking the Covid rules"...."I'm very sorry I was at one of the parties that didn't exist"..."I'll pay the fine"..."No, breaking the law isn't a resigning matter" Yes, he's the virtuous one all right Allegea Stratton should be suing for constructive dismissal. Remember, she was forced to resign in tears for joking about parties! An excellent example of precisely the kind of behaviour I was highlighting higher up the page: he uses them and when he's done using them, they get tossed aside and the last ounce of benefit he can wring out of them is to make it look like it's not him up to no good.
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Post by wannabee on May 21, 2022 10:39:00 GMT
Remember when some people drew equivalence between Corbyn and actual murdering terrorists. That was fun wasn't it. Did they when ? His support for actual murdering terrorists is all out there and documented. One man's Terrorist, is another man's Freedom Fighter Whire the British Government did Fuck All to put pressure on South Africa to end Apartheid due to self interest in protecting Banks like Barclays and Diamond and Gold Investments People like Jeremy Corbyn and the Anti-Apartheid Movement were at the vanguard and instrumental in bringing about change Of course Government establishment then tried to seize the moral high ground, unsuccessfully This is documented too (By Mandela's Family) www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nelson-mandelas-grandson-what-jeremy-13433774.amp
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2022 11:01:05 GMT
Its almost like some people still dont understand 10 downing street is actually a massive set of government offices (100+) and that PM's since Blair have tended to live at No 11 downing street as the flat is bigger than the small flat in No 10. So apart from him not being the proprietor or the host of any party or them being in his home before we get on to whether these were even parties you point seems to be complete nonsense as usual. Oh, so No 10 isn’t where the PM lives! How the hell did he get off all the fines then when others were fined for precisely the reason that it wasn’t their home!? They were fined because it wasn't their home I think you are just making stuff up now as I'm pretty that will be the reasons for none of the fines.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 21, 2022 11:02:04 GMT
Oh, so No 10 isn’t where the PM lives! How the hell did he get off all the fines then when others were fined for precisely the reason that it wasn’t their home!? They were fined because it wasn't their home I think you are just making stuff up now as I'm pretty that will be the reasons for none of the fines. The PM avoided fines because it was his home.
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2022 11:05:36 GMT
One thing I really disliked about lockdown was when I was sat in my back garden after work, having a drink with my wife when loads of my colleagues just turned up uninvited and had a party all around us (not that I knew it was a party at the time). I couldn’t believe it. I obviously ignored them all and didn’t join in. And the photos of them drinking with me and my wife at the same table as us aren’t evidence I was at the non-party. Another time, some people walked into my home to work with my wife (not that she works) and started singing Abba on karaoke (my wife joined in)! Very strange. It was for work though, apparently. Hohoho that might work if you actually lived near where you worked and your garden had been in use for several months for working. And the karoke thing I think you are deliberately or unknowingly mixing up a civil service "party" not attended by any politicians with the supposed playing of ABBA on the night cummings left.
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2022 11:08:04 GMT
They were fined because it wasn't their home I think you are just making stuff up now as I'm pretty that will be the reasons for none of the fines. The PM avoided fines because it was his home. That might or might not be the reason for anything that happened in the garden but the fact still remains people fined were fined not because it wasnt their home but because it was judged they had broken the rules.
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Post by followyoudown on May 21, 2022 11:13:04 GMT
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Post by wannabee on May 21, 2022 11:20:26 GMT
Got to admit, in a perverse way I have a grudging admiration for Boris. I just don't know how he does it. He seems to stumble from one disaster to the next with his reputation still in tact and with a band of loyal supporters behind him that never waver. The strokes pulled get even more outrageous with every day yet nothing changes. Maybe I've gone to sleep one day and just woke up in this weird place? He's very close to being my faux hero, the absolute arse. It is strange, isn't it, like people are perfectly prepared to overlook stuff that would normally matter, even to their own detriment, because it's him. Britain's answer to Trump on many levels. Odd place we've become. On balance I much more agree with your comparison to Trump than Saville They are both Narcissists who routinely lie to cover their own mistakes as they can't acknowledge them They both come from an indulged privileged background where it was installed They were better than others Their early education is littered with underachievement but failure to accept that fact Their third level education is equally blotchy although they exaggerate their achievements They have no profound political ideology other than what is best for their personal advancement Trump began with Reform Party, moved to Democrats then became Independent and Finally Republican. Boris famously dithered writing two essays for and against Brexit before Finally deciding Leave was more Politically advantageous to him They lack any sense of loyalty and when expedient will blame and sack a subordinate for their own mistakes They are both Misoginists who treat women casually and without any respect This results in multiple marriages, affairs, children messy divorces etc Their similarly carefully crafted appearance gives off a certain persona
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Post by wannabee on May 21, 2022 11:45:19 GMT
Ha ha ha I felt sure you would come back with this lie first started by The Torygraph and then picked up by other right wing papers like The Mail and The Times In the link I posted Mandela's SON ubbishes this false claim and laments the attempt by people like Teresa May to appropriate thanks I doubt you will ever be convinced you Bible The Torygraph might be wrong or have an agenda but if you want to do yourself a favour and educate yourself then read the attached thoughtsofaleicestersocialist.wordpress.com/2018/09/16/tory-fake-news-factory-claims-nelson-mandela-snubbed-corbyn/
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 21, 2022 11:56:09 GMT
At the time Jeremy was protesting against apartheid, Margaret was busy sending the finest Scotch to her friend in Chile and Johnson was burning 20 pound notes in front of homeless people.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 21, 2022 12:02:28 GMT
One thing I really disliked about lockdown was when I was sat in my back garden after work, having a drink with my wife when loads of my colleagues just turned up uninvited and had a party all around us (not that I knew it was a party at the time). I couldn’t believe it. I obviously ignored them all and didn’t join in. And the photos of them drinking with me and my wife at the same table as us aren’t evidence I was at the non-party. Another time, some people walked into my home to work with my wife (not that she works) and started singing Abba on karaoke (my wife joined in)! Very strange. It was for work though, apparently. Hohoho that might work if you actually lived near where you worked and your garden had been in use for several months for working. And the karoke thing I think you are deliberately or unknowingly mixing up a civil service "party" not attended by any politicians with the supposed playing of ABBA on the night cummings left. Sorry, there were so many illegal parties at No 10 it gets easy to mix them up!
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Post by oggyoggy on May 21, 2022 12:03:39 GMT
The PM avoided fines because it was his home. That might or might not be the reason for anything that happened in the garden but the fact still remains people fined were fined not because it wasnt their home but because it was judged they had broken the rules. If one person at an illegal event was fined, everyone else there should be fined.
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