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Post by followyoudown on Jun 18, 2021 8:51:48 GMT
The collapse of the “Red Wall” has obscured the undermining of the “Blue Rinse Wall”. For various reasons, but particularly the affordability of house buying in the Tory heartlands of the South East, means young people who would normally become true blue as they get mortgaged up to the hilt, are looking elsewhere. As ever, in the short term, the Lib Dem’s are the beneficiaries in by elections, but come a GE, those votes are in play for a party that sends the right message to them. The Tories are nowhere near as secure as one might imagine. Thats very much the diagnosis for the commuter towns / cities here as waga points out its hs2 and ironically the approval of building projects / planning regulations that locals objected too.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 18, 2021 8:53:02 GMT
The by election is an absolute disaster for the Tories, however none of the MSM seem to be pointing out that it was also equally disastrous for Starmer's Labour Party. A lost deposit 622 votes compared to 11,000 under Corbyn in 2017 and 7.000 in 2019. Presumably because that’s a lot less newsworthy? ‘Labour are f**ked’ isn’t news at the moment. The first suggestion that maybe there might be some level of backlash against the government - even if there’s not opposition to capitalise on it- is more newsworthy. They're saving the "Labour are f**ked" headlines for the Batley and Spen by-election on 1st July where Starmer will be toast if he presides over a heavy defeat......
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 18, 2021 9:31:24 GMT
Presumably because that’s a lot less newsworthy? ‘Labour are f**ked’ isn’t news at the moment. The first suggestion that maybe there might be some level of backlash against the government - even if there’s not opposition to capitalise on it- is more newsworthy. They're saving the "Labour are f**ked" headlines for the Batley and Spen by-election on 1st July where Starmer will be toast if he presides over a heavy defeat...... I've seen a lot of people make a lot of rash predictions over the last 18 months, very few of which have come to pass. Not least that "Boris will be gone by March", "Starmer will be finished if he loses Hartlepool", "Sturgeon's a goner" etc etc, with this one the latest in a long line of what probably amounts to little more than wishful thinking. I think the reality is that party politics is very much up in the air at the moment, as the overnight result for a party which has been floundering for years has just shown. People generally rally around the government in times of national crisis and that has generally been the case. Chuck in local issues and electoral 'pacts' like this constituency and the on-going Brexit effect in places like Hartlepool and probably Batley & Spen and you get the mishmash of unpredictable results we're seeing. It'll take at least a year on from Covid for things to settle down a little, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a general election this time next year in order to capitalise quickly on winning another five years before the inevitable fall-out from Covid and Brexit come to pass.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 18, 2021 10:16:05 GMT
Presumably because that’s a lot less newsworthy? ‘Labour are f**ked’ isn’t news at the moment. The first suggestion that maybe there might be some level of backlash against the government - even if there’s not opposition to capitalise on it- is more newsworthy. They're saving the "Labour are f**ked" headlines for the Batley and Spen by-election on 1st July where Starmer will be toast if he presides over a heavy defeat...... I don't see the point in getting rid of Starmer now. It will set Labour further back, essentially back to where they were a year ago as someone else will have to come in and spend another year trying unify the party from all the blood they will invetiably be spilt during during a leadership election. All the while it's another year closer to the next election.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 18, 2021 10:38:09 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 18, 2021 16:50:20 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 18, 2021 16:52:34 GMT
Bit low even by your standards. There’s loads of sex pests in all walks of life unfortunately
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 18, 2021 17:27:50 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 18, 2021 21:12:54 GMT
Bit low even by your standards. There’s loads of sex pests in all walks of life unfortunately Just seems to be quite a few in amongst Tory mps
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 18, 2021 23:45:35 GMT
The by election is an absolute disaster for the Tories, however none of the MSM seem to be pointing out that it was also equally disastrous for Starmer's Labour Party. A lost deposit 622 votes compared to 11,000 under Corbyn in 2017 and 7.000 in 2019. Blimey, first time I've ever agreed with one of your posts 😉 To be honest, I think there's a lot of Libertarian Conservatives, indeed like myself, who are actually quite happy with this result as a bit of a one off, harmless bi election. Boris has been taking the people for granted. The people are getting tired of his patronising language, his obsession with plunging the country into a covid obsessed, economic mess and his bluster is becoming tedious. The Lib Dem opposition to extending Covid emergency laws will have won some libertarians over. HS2 is a disaster and that clearly played a role in the result too. I suspect there was a whole range of reasons for it but Boris needs some opposition from somewhere and it's not coming from Labour. Let's be honest it's probably not going to come from the Lib Dens either but hopefully it's a wake up call.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 19, 2021 8:57:42 GMT
Get back to Tory values? I thought telling nurses to fuck off, running down the NHS, ignoring hungry kids and cronyism were Tory values...? Strange one.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 19, 2021 17:41:58 GMT
I know you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer but using something as heinous as this to try and score political points is a bit low. The scumbag would've had urges like this regardless of what his job or political affiliation was.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 19, 2021 18:31:41 GMT
I know you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer but using something as heinous as this to try and score political points is a bit low. The scumbag would've had urges like this regardless of what his job or political affiliation was. Funny that how it's not acceptable to post this when it's a Tory but was acceptable when it was a labour mp
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Post by thevoid on Jun 19, 2021 18:37:32 GMT
I know you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer but using something as heinous as this to try and score political points is a bit low. The scumbag would've had urges like this regardless of what his job or political affiliation was. Funny that how it's not acceptable to post this when it's a Tory but was acceptable when it was a labour mp You've just proved my point. Scumbags like this are in every walk of life. It's in their DNA and politics are irrelevant.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 19, 2021 19:14:01 GMT
New signing for the Labour Party 👇
Bercow's memoirs would make for some reading.
Tory MP > Monday Club > Speaker > Labour member
Some path is that.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 19, 2021 19:51:31 GMT
Funny that how it's not acceptable to post this when it's a Tory but was acceptable when it was a labour mp You've just proved my point. Scumbags like this are in every walk of life. It's in their DNA and politics are irrelevant. So why is it ok for you and the Tory boys to post about Keith vazz and it's not ok to point out Tory indiscretions pure hypocrisy
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 19, 2021 19:56:48 GMT
Funny that how it's not acceptable to post this when it's a Tory but was acceptable when it was a labour mp You've just proved my point. Scumbags like this are in every walk of life. It's in their DNA and politics are irrelevant. Huff, puff.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 19, 2021 20:36:53 GMT
You've just proved my point. Scumbags like this are in every walk of life. It's in their DNA and politics are irrelevant. Huff, puff. Homophobe
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 19, 2021 21:06:18 GMT
Bercow joins the Labour Party!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 19, 2021 21:12:44 GMT
Bercow joins the Labour Party! Hardly Messi to Real Madrid is it? Who cares?😉
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 19, 2021 21:35:36 GMT
Bercow joins the Labour Party! Hardly Messi to Real Madrid is it? Who cares?😉 I'm no political expert but someone who used to be an MP for labour or the conservatives joining the other must be pretty rare? Seems lots of traditional Tories are worried about the current direction of their party doesn't it?
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 19, 2021 21:50:44 GMT
Hardly Messi to Real Madrid is it? Who cares?😉 I'm no political expert but someone who used to be an MP for labour or the conservatives joining the other must be pretty rare? Seems lots of traditional Tories are worried about the current direction of their party doesn't it? Bercow has joined the Labour party to get the peerage he is so desparate for.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 19, 2021 22:14:00 GMT
Bercow joins the Labour Party! Good on him. He told the Observer the Conservatives under Boris Johnson were "reactionary, populist, nationalistic and sometimes even xenophobic". He is so right, the undertones of nationalism entering our country at the moment is a cause for concern. I think certain people think that Brexit has given them carte blanche to think and behave a certain way.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jun 19, 2021 22:32:01 GMT
Bercow joins the Labour Party! Good on him. He told the Observer the SNP under Nicola Sturgeon were "reactionary, populist, nationalistic and sometimes even xenophobic". He is so right, the undertones of nationalism entering our country at the moment is a cause for concern. I think certain people think that Brexit has given them carte blanche to think and behave a certain way.
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 20, 2021 7:51:34 GMT
I'm no political expert but someone who used to be an MP for labour or the conservatives joining the other must be pretty rare? Seems lots of traditional Tories are worried about the current direction of their party doesn't it? Bercow has joined the Labour party to get the peerage he is so desparate for. Nope labour and Corbyn nominated him the Tories blocked it out of revenge for him standing up to them
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 20, 2021 8:20:17 GMT
Bercow joins the Labour Party! Good on him. He told the Observer the Conservatives under Boris Johnson were "reactionary, populist, nationalistic and sometimes even xenophobic". He is so right, the undertones of nationalism entering our country at the moment is a cause for concern. I think certain people think that Brexit has given them carte blanche to think and behave a certain way. And he's right. Sadly, once you let the populist genie out of the bottle, it's difficult to get it back in, and you find it has a tendency to keep on growing and so you have to keep on feeding it. The woke nonsense being the latest attempt to keep the reactionary populist genie happy, now that the EU and immigrants aren't quite such easy targets.
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 20, 2021 8:20:58 GMT
The snake will be right at home in the current Labour Party providing yet another reason for people not to vote for them.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 20, 2021 8:28:14 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 20, 2021 10:31:19 GMT
Farage is correct, abolish the House of Lords.......that should be an easy target for Labour, if they had decided to push it, unfortunately if there is a problem, they are a large part of it.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 20, 2021 10:35:12 GMT
Good on him. He told the Observer the Conservatives under Boris Johnson were "reactionary, populist, nationalistic and sometimes even xenophobic". He is so right, the undertones of nationalism entering our country at the moment is a cause for concern. I think certain people think that Brexit has given them carte blanche to think and behave a certain way. And he's right. Sadly, once you let the populist genie out of the bottle, it's difficult to get it back in, and you find it has a tendency to keep on growing and so you have to keep on feeding it. The woke nonsense being the latest attempt to keep the reactionary populist genie happy, now that the EU and immigrants aren't quite such easy targets. It's the other way round , actually. The Left, under several guises, but unable to win an election, are using other channels to try to stifle debate.....and are incidentally critical of ordinary folk, the silent majority....who have their say at elections.....or referendums, turning out in unprecedented numbers when actually asked for an opinion and promised that their vote would count. But carry on with the minority, imaginary, conspiracy theory.
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