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Post by thevoid on Jun 12, 2021 16:04:53 GMT
I'm not that bad, I give out as much as I take. My mate's daughter has Downs and it touched a nerve. But let's draw a line under the sand. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search In modern use, retard is a pejorative term either for someone with a mental disability or for someone who is stupid, slow to understand, or ineffective in some way.[1] The adjective retarded is in the same way used for something very foolish or stupid.[2][3] I was referring to the second definition not the first. I also have a relative with special needs. I"m offering to draw a line in the sand. Stop being so bloody defensive.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 12, 2021 20:27:47 GMT
To be fair he might just have copied someone elses words to pass off as his own It is pretty funny that he feels able to criticise other posters when he spends his time calling people gammons, sock puppets etc but that is just obviously constructive criticism..... I hate the Tories with a passion you can only dream of sunshine.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 15, 2021 17:00:06 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 15, 2021 17:41:30 GMT
Boris Johnson who organised the expulsion of russian diplomats whilst foreign secretary while your mate wanted to send a sample of novachek to russia to ask if it was there's ? I wonder what his advisors had to say (cant be arsed to find picture of milne shaking hands with putin)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 16, 2021 6:34:17 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2021 8:03:35 GMT
Thats just a lie she clearly says they formally consulted and decided not to implement no mention of levenson making any recommendation, another strawman lie I wonder what it is that triggers people like you and him about Pritti Patel.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 16, 2021 8:16:20 GMT
Thats just a lie she clearly says they formally consulted and decided not to implement no mention of levenson making any recommendation, another strawman lie I wonder what it is that triggers people like you and him about Pritti Patel. I’m with Huddy on this - Patel’s statement clearly implies Leveson agrees with and was a party to the Gvt decision to not proceed with Leveson 2. This is either very careless or deliberately disingenuous. Either way it’s poor.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2021 8:25:27 GMT
Thats just a lie she clearly says they formally consulted and decided not to implement no mention of levenson making any recommendation, another strawman lie I wonder what it is that triggers people like you and him about Pritti Patel. I’m with Huddy on this - Patel’s statement clearly implies Leveson agrees with and was a party to the Gvt decision to not proceed with Leveson 2. This is either very careless or deliberately disingenuous. Either way it’s poor. You can't be right all the time, she says decided not he decided not we decided no indication it was a joint decision, I also get suspicious when speechs that are clearly ongoing are clipped to make a claim, this guy was I think one of those who pushed the claim Boris suggesting let it rip in regards to covid on this morning when the full clip shows differently.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 16, 2021 8:33:17 GMT
I’m with Huddy on this - Patel’s statement clearly implies Leveson agrees with and was a party to the Gvt decision to not proceed with Leveson 2. This is either very careless or deliberately disingenuous. Either way it’s poor. You can't be right all the time, she says decided not he decided not we decided no indication it was a joint decision, I also get suspicious when speechs that are clearly ongoing are clipped to make a claim, this guy was I think one of those who pushed the claim Boris suggesting let it rip in regards to covid on this morning when the full clip shows differently. That’s one interpretation of what she said. But it’s not what she actually said. It’s not at all the one most people would reach. By including the two statements, of consultation with Leveson and the decision not proceed, in a single sentence the implication is the two statements are connected. This is simple English ie the use of “and” as a conjunction. So, as mentioned, she has been very careless of deliberately disingenuous. Either way it is poor from Patel.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2021 8:43:37 GMT
You can't be right all the time, she says decided not he decided not we decided no indication it was a joint decision, I also get suspicious when speechs that are clearly ongoing are clipped to make a claim, this guy was I think one of those who pushed the claim Boris suggesting let it rip in regards to covid on this morning when the full clip shows differently. That’s one interpretation of what she said. But it’s not what she actually said. It’s not at all the one most people would reach. By including the two statements, of consultation with Leveson and the decision not proceed, in a single sentence the implication is the two statements are connected. This is simple English ie the use of “and” as a conjunction. So, as mentioned, she has been very careless of deliberately disingenuous. Either way it is poor from Patel. While I accept you could interpret it the way you suggest, she does not at any point say he agreed with her which is now being reported by some sources, the fact she mentions cost and time elapsed to me is a clearer indicator its a government decision.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 16, 2021 9:22:47 GMT
That’s one interpretation of what she said. But it’s not what she actually said. It’s not at all the one most people would reach. By including the two statements, of consultation with Leveson and the decision not proceed, in a single sentence the implication is the two statements are connected. This is simple English ie the use of “and” as a conjunction. So, as mentioned, she has been very careless of deliberately disingenuous. Either way it is poor from Patel. While I accept you could interpret it the way you suggest, she does not at any point say he agreed with her which is now being reported by some sources, the fact she mentions cost and time elapsed to me is a clearer indicator its a government decision. The way I explained it is generally accepted use of English. She either fucked up a simple message by not speaking clearly or she was being disingenuous. If you can’t accept that, you really are demonstrating you are about as obtuse as Huddy and Essex. The fact that other people jump on it and extrapolate is par for the course. She invited this though. It’s down to her.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 16, 2021 13:03:42 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 16, 2021 14:11:02 GMT
Your on a slippery slope when you start believing Dominic Cummings Are you a recent convert to the musings of Cummings or have you been a secret fan all a long
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Post by thevoid on Jun 16, 2021 15:41:33 GMT
Your on a slippery slope when you start believing Dominic Cummings Are you a recent convert to the musings of Cummings or have you been a secret fan all a long It's amazing how he's suddenly become Mr Reliable isn't it
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 16, 2021 15:49:25 GMT
Your on a slippery slope when you start believing Dominic Cummings Are you a recent convert to the musings of Cummings or have you been a secret fan all a long It's amazing how he's suddenly become Mr Reliable isn't it Are you suggesting Cummings has falsified these texts and they didn't happen?
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 16, 2021 15:53:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 21:32:28 GMT
I see you are still flogging this dead thread ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 21:35:23 GMT
I hate the Tories with a passion you can only dream of sunshine. I am not really sure what you mean by Tories, people who vote for them, people who work for them, members of the party or MP's whichever of those you choose it really says more about you that you hate someone for having different politics to you, I expect its the only passion you have in your life apart from the ahem passion for youself I’m curious to why he calls you sunshine ? 🤔
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 18, 2021 2:52:43 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 18, 2021 5:54:09 GMT
The collapse of the “Red Wall” has obscured the undermining of the “Blue Rinse Wall”. For various reasons, but particularly the affordability of house buying in the Tory heartlands of the South East, means young people who would normally become true blue as they get mortgaged up to the hilt, are looking elsewhere. As ever, in the short term, the Lib Dem’s are the beneficiaries in by elections, but come a GE, those votes are in play for a party that sends the right message to them. The Tories are nowhere near as secure as one might imagine.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 18, 2021 6:29:16 GMT
The collapse of the “Red Wall” has obscured the undermining of the “Blue Rinse Wall”. For various reasons, but particularly the affordability of house buying in the Tory heartlands of the South East, means young people who would normally become true blue as they get mortgaged up to the hilt, are looking elsewhere. As ever, in the short term, the Lib Dem’s are the beneficiaries in by elections, but come a GE, those votes are in play for a party that sends the right message to them. The Tories are nowhere near as secure as one might imagine. A progressive alliance would be a big problem for the Tories in some areas of the country, the state of Labour they won’t even get an invite into it though...
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 18, 2021 6:49:45 GMT
The collapse of the “Red Wall” has obscured the undermining of the “Blue Rinse Wall”. For various reasons, but particularly the affordability of house buying in the Tory heartlands of the South East, means young people who would normally become true blue as they get mortgaged up to the hilt, are looking elsewhere. As ever, in the short term, the Lib Dem’s are the beneficiaries in by elections, but come a GE, those votes are in play for a party that sends the right message to them. The Tories are nowhere near as secure as one might imagine. From what I’ve seen on the news this morning this was a big anti HS2 vote The previous Tory mp was a big campaigner against it When the liberal mp has spent three years doing sod all against HS2 Than the seat will probably return back to the Conservatives Unless of course the country has decided it’s time for starmer in which case it may remain liberal
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Post by salopstick on Jun 18, 2021 7:12:38 GMT
Incumbent government in bi-election loss shocker
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 18, 2021 7:45:44 GMT
The collapse of the “Red Wall” has obscured the undermining of the “Blue Rinse Wall”. For various reasons, but particularly the affordability of house buying in the Tory heartlands of the South East, means young people who would normally become true blue as they get mortgaged up to the hilt, are looking elsewhere. As ever, in the short term, the Lib Dem’s are the beneficiaries in by elections, but come a GE, those votes are in play for a party that sends the right message to them. The Tories are nowhere near as secure as one might imagine. From what I’ve seen on the news this morning this was a big anti HS2 vote The previous Tory mp was a big campaigner against it When the liberal mp has spent three years doing sod all against HS2 Than the seat will probably return back to the Conservatives Unless of course the country has decided it’s time for starmer in which case it may remain liberal I was just going to post similar Waga. HS2 , Green issues, , local issues......things Labour could have been very strong on.....the last time I saw something from Owen Jones( not that he is Labour) he was saying that trans people are getting a rough deal even within the LGBT+ Queer ( etc) community ....he's probably correct. I don't know anyone who is enthusiastic about HS2. As others have said politics is changing, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Welsh Labour seem to have their own agendas and strong individual parties doing well but not reflected across the whole of the UK. I don't think it can be taken for granted that the Amersham seat will return to the Tories at the next election, although an increased turnout will help them.
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Post by franklin on Jun 18, 2021 7:54:51 GMT
The collapse of the “Red Wall” has obscured the undermining of the “Blue Rinse Wall”. For various reasons, but particularly the affordability of house buying in the Tory heartlands of the South East, means young people who would normally become true blue as they get mortgaged up to the hilt, are looking elsewhere. As ever, in the short term, the Lib Dem’s are the beneficiaries in by elections, but come a GE, those votes are in play for a party that sends the right message to them. The Tories are nowhere near as secure as one might imagine. From what I’ve seen on the news this morning this was a big anti HS2 vote The previous Tory mp was a big campaigner against it When the liberal mp has spent three years doing sod all against HS2 Than the seat will probably return back to the Conservatives Unless of course the country has decided it’s time for starmer in which case it may remain liberal Tactical Labour voting to allow a change from 11k in 2017 to 600 is a massive collapse so its either tactical or Labour really are in trouble.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 18, 2021 7:59:20 GMT
From what I’ve seen on the news this morning this was a big anti HS2 vote The previous Tory mp was a big campaigner against it When the liberal mp has spent three years doing sod all against HS2 Than the seat will probably return back to the Conservatives Unless of course the country has decided it’s time for starmer in which case it may remain liberal Tactical Labour voting to allow a change from 11k to 600 is a massive collapse so its either tactical or Labour really are in trouble. I suspect the former. As I've been saying for a while, if you're right wing inclined you vote Tory, if you're not you have a number of options, which inevitably dilutes the opposition vote. Especially in by-election scenarios in places like this under our archaic voting system, it's inevitable that some forms of tactical arrangement will happen from time to time. They may as well be done with it and just merge to form a centre/centre-left/green party which would appeal to a lot of people. Plus, it might be a reflection of local issues like HS2 and general fed-upness with Covid unlocking being put back again.
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Post by franklin on Jun 18, 2021 8:00:40 GMT
Tactical Labour voting to allow a change from 11k to 600 is a massive collapse so its either tactical or Labour really are in trouble. I suspect the former. As I've been saying for a while, if you're right wing inclined you vote Tory, if you're not you have a number of options, which inevitably dilutes the opposition vote. Especially in by-election scenarios in places like this under our archaic voting system, it's inevitable that some forms of tactical arrangement will happen from time to time. Plus, it might be a reflection of local issues like HS2 and general fed-upness with Covid unlocking being put back again. I think that's correct we've seen this kind of thing may times before.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jun 18, 2021 8:38:22 GMT
The by election is an absolute disaster for the Tories, however none of the MSM seem to be pointing out that it was also equally disastrous for Starmer's Labour Party. A lost deposit 622 votes compared to 11,000 under Corbyn in 2017 and 7.000 in 2019.
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 18, 2021 8:49:32 GMT
I am not really sure what you mean by Tories, people who vote for them, people who work for them, members of the party or MP's whichever of those you choose it really says more about you that you hate someone for having different politics to you, I expect its the only passion you have in your life apart from the ahem passion for youself I’m curious to why he calls you sunshine ? 🤔 I believe he is restricted in the names he calls people due to recent complaints
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 18, 2021 8:50:41 GMT
The by election is an absolute disaster for the Tories, however none of the MSM seem to be pointing out that it was also equally disastrous for Starmer's Labour Party. A lost deposit 622 votes compared to 11,000 under Corbyn in 2017 and 7.000 in 2019. Presumably because that’s a lot less newsworthy? ‘Labour are f**ked’ isn’t news at the moment. The first suggestion that maybe there might be some level of backlash against the government - even if there’s not opposition to capitalise on it- is more newsworthy.
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