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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 16:17:56 GMT
Showing solidarity and support for NFL players who go down on one knee in protest at police brutality.
Errr...WTF has it got to do with a German Football team, I for one would be both mystified and a little bit angry if Stoke City did it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 16:24:38 GMT
Showing solidarity and support for NFL players who go down on one knee in protest at police brutality. Errr...WTF has it got to do with a German Football team, I for one would be both mystified and a little bit angry if Stoke City did it. Rediculous protest MVS (Miseryside Victim Syndrome) Moves to Germany via states. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 15, 2017 16:31:01 GMT
Perhaps they don't agree with racially motivated police brutality in the US?
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Oct 15, 2017 16:33:47 GMT
Aside from the fact that I think Germans are more "politicised" than the British (research St. Pauli - a football club built on anti-fascist culture), I think the whole "knee" protest is building into a wider thing. People are questioning what exactly they're "respecting" when they salute the flag or stand for the National Anthem. You should be proud to do that, but if the very people supposed to be protecting the public are apparently being protected when they single out certain skin-coloured members of the public - what better way is there to show you're questioning your pride in your country?. People are also f*cked off with being told what to do - especially by uber-rich Franchise owners throwing their weight around and threatening to fire players and staff for exercising freedom of expression (Y'know - that thing the US of A is allegedly built on)?
It's also coming up on World Series time in the U.S. - one of their biggest sporting events - all eyes on what alot of people will be doing when the designated celebrity clears their throat and belts out The Star Spangled Banner.
Yes, it would be bizzare to see at a Premier League game, but - we do have a U.S. player in our team - I wonder what Geoff Cameron's views are on the whole thing?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 15, 2017 16:39:04 GMT
More pathetic virtue-signalling. Politics should be kept out of sport. If you want to protest how racist the west is do it in your own time, not when you're being paid millions of dollars/pounds/euros to do a job.
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Post by Mendicant on Oct 16, 2017 7:11:42 GMT
Perhaps they don't agree with racially motivated police brutality in the US? Or impress corporate sponsors at the scene of the 1936 Olympics? It was an appeal "for a tolerant Berlin and an open-minded world, now and forevermore", the word "forevermore" puts it in a historic context. I'm sceptical about it, Sheikh. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 16, 2017 7:24:13 GMT
Is there any link between the US and Hertha Berlin? If not, I suspect they've done it for a bit of publicity.
In terms of the US teams - I suspect if they were taking a knee for less immigration the people who now are unhappy about it would support, and vice versa. It seems to me it's the most peaceful way of showing your displeasure at something that seems to be a problem in the US.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Oct 16, 2017 7:55:05 GMT
Perhaps they don't agree with racially motivated police brutality in the US? Or impress corporate sponsors at the scene of the 1936 Olympics? It was an appeal "for a tolerant Berlin and an open-minded world, now and forevermore", the word "forevermore" puts it in a historic context. I'm sceptical about it, Sheikh. There is a club in Berlin with a social conscience,it's just not Hertha.... Up the Union! |
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Oct 16, 2017 10:19:18 GMT
More pathetic virtue-signalling. Politics should be kept out of sport. If you want to protest how racist the west is do it in your own time, not when you're being paid millions of dollars/pounds/euros to do a job. Agree with this 100%. If you want to protest racism, do it in the privacy of your own home, boycott ITV for the evening or something, that’ll change the world. Doing it where millions of people will see it is pointless. |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Oct 16, 2017 11:32:19 GMT
Why are American domestic woes at the forefront of their expression? Are there no issues to address and rectify in their own community in Germany?
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Post by manmarking on Oct 16, 2017 11:42:21 GMT
It's funny how, when it all boils down to it, the so-called libertarian alt-right is fundamentally anti-free speech. Want to assume a particular pose while a particular song is playing? You should be fired. How wonderfully democratic  The alt-right is all for free speech, of course, if you happen to agree with them. In which case you're free to say whatever gibberish is on your mind Interestingly, this is exactly the sort of hypocrisy that people on the alt-right are forever accusing that purposely badly defined nemesis "the left" of. Classic deflection tactics. (Which, ironically, is another thing that alt-rightists are forever accusing "the left" of  ) |
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Post by lowlands on Oct 16, 2017 13:33:42 GMT
Politics and sport should not mix. If you want to protest then march on to Parliament or in Americas case The White House. Disrespecting your nation and flag in front of fans probably those who fought for it and saw friends die for it is a disgrace. If Stoke players did that I would get up and leave and not return until the disrespectful wanker(s) had departed our club. Even if that meant years.
Yes there are arsehole coppers who have killed but they do not represent the majority of coppers who give their lives everyday to protect and serve the public. How can you associate a knob head scum copper with your nationality your flag and your fellow countrymen. Get a grip. Also why do countries follow the USA. Be your own nation stop taking other countries crap ideas and making them your own.
Be Proud Be British Be Stoke
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 14:24:52 GMT
There was a black radio presenter on the BBC news page the other day suggesting we should "Bend the knee" over here to oppose British colonization. What a twat.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Oct 16, 2017 17:35:47 GMT
Showing solidarity and support for NFL players who go down on one knee in protest at police brutality. Errr...WTF has it got to do with a German Football team, I for one would be both mystified and a little bit angry if Stoke City did it. Rediculous protest MVS (Miseryside Victim Syndrome) Moves to Germany via states. I wouldn't where the Merseyside victim shouts were also used... |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Oct 16, 2017 17:37:13 GMT
Politics and sport should not mix. If you want to protest then march on to Parliament or in Americas case The White House. Disrespecting your nation and flag in front of fans probably those who fought for it and saw friends die for it is a disgrace. If Stoke players did that I would get up and leave and not return until the disrespectful wanker(s) had departed our club. Even if that meant years. Yes there are arsehole coppers who have killed but they do not represent the majority of coppers who give their lives everyday to protect and serve the public. How can you associate a knob head scum copper with your nationality your flag and your fellow countrymen. Get a grip. Also why do countries follow the USA. Be your own nation stop taking other countries crap ideas and making them your own. Be Proud Be British Be Stoke politics and sport are mixed. Intertwined. Shown by the fact you think 'disrespecting your nation and flag' would be a disgrace. And the 'Be British Be Stoke' stuff. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 16, 2017 20:54:08 GMT
Politics and sport should not mix. If you want to protest then march on to Parliament or in Americas case The White House. Disrespecting your nation and flag in front of fans probably those who fought for it and saw friends die for it is a disgrace. If Stoke players did that I would get up and leave and not return until the disrespectful wanker(s) had departed our club. Even if that meant years. Yes there are arsehole coppers who have killed but they do not represent the majority of coppers who give their lives everyday to protect and serve the public. How can you associate a knob head scum copper with your nationality your flag and your fellow countrymen. Get a grip. Also why do countries follow the USA. Be your own nation stop taking other countries crap ideas and making them your own. Be Proud Be British Be Stoke I'd more inclined to walk out if I heard a fan saying people fought and died in war for a bit of cloth and music. |
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Post by woodstein on Oct 16, 2017 22:08:36 GMT
Are American police (many of them black) only brutal towards black folk? No, but of course only black lives matter, balls to the rest. Keep these protests off of the sports grounds, they can still protest elsewhere without involving people who don't wish to be part of it. If this sort of thing springs up at games it could well end up with aggro.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 17, 2017 1:23:04 GMT
Will those who think sports and politics shouldn't mix be blowing their annual gasket in a few weeks when a player declares himself uncomfortable wearing a poppy on his shirt?
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Post by woodstein on Oct 17, 2017 6:01:50 GMT
Will those who think sports and politics shouldn't mix be blowing their annual gasket in a few weeks when a player declares himself uncomfortable wearing a poppy on his shirt? A poppy is respect shown for those who have died to give us freedom. Its the one who won't wear it who brings politics into it. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 17, 2017 6:52:04 GMT
Will those who think sports and politics shouldn't mix be blowing their annual gasket in a few weeks when a player declares himself uncomfortable wearing a poppy on his shirt? A poppy is respect shown for those who have died to give us freedom. Its the one who won't wear it who brings politics into it. I agree. Does freedom include freedom to choose not to wear it? |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 17, 2017 11:28:31 GMT
Politics and sport should not mix. If you want to protest then march on to Parliament or in Americas case The White House. Disrespecting your nation and flag in front of fans probably those who fought for it and saw friends die for it is a disgrace. If Stoke players did that I would get up and leave and not return until the disrespectful wanker(s) had departed our club. Even if that meant years. Yes there are arsehole coppers who have killed but they do not represent the majority of coppers who give their lives everyday to protect and serve the public. How can you associate a knob head scum copper with your nationality your flag and your fellow countrymen. Get a grip. Also why do countries follow the USA. Be your own nation stop taking other countries crap ideas and making them your own. Be Proud Be British Be Stoke They're not protesting about people who fought and died for the country though are they? For instance in this case they're protesting against the very authorities that are supposed to uphold the virtues and meaning of the flag and the values of their nation for EVERY single member of their country, by abusing their power and utterly disrespecting what that flag is supposed to stand for!!! It's the people they're protesting against that are disrespecting the flag and nation, not those doing the protesting  That's kind of the bloody point.....they're saying the flag and anthem no longer represent what it should do because of what the country has been turned into by those in power, so they refuse to respect what it now stands for. A National anthem played today is a symbol of the country and what it is today. If that country today is corrupt and unjust then that's what they're trying to show by doing this protest. People in the public eye who can reach millions have a very good opportunity to bring issues like this to a much wider audience, so fair play for them exercising their democratic right to do so. I hate all this "Everyone is allowed free speech...well until you become famous in which case you should sit down with your gob shut and be a good little boy" bollocks! They're famous because they're good at their job and that's what it is; a JOB. Why shouldn't they have the ability to protest like every other member of society does, just because they happen to be in a field of work that is more publicised than others???? Going back to people fighting and dying for their country, i think you'll find a hell of a lot of people died (particularly in the 2nd World war) because they were specifically fighting against powers that wanted to turn the world into a place of inequality, injustice and where people were openly abused, mistreated and lost their lives simply because of their colour/religion etc. I'm pretty damn sure those that died would actually be disgraced to find their own country has turned into a hotbed of what they were actually fighting against and died to try to eradicate in the first place, and would be equally appalled that it was being done under their flag and their anthem that meant something completely different to them then than what it means now! Point utterly missed by you i'm afraid mate |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 17, 2017 11:34:32 GMT
A poppy is respect shown for those who have died to give us freedom. Its the one who won't wear it who brings politics into it. I agree. Does freedom include freedom to choose not to wear it? Nicely worked Joe  |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 17, 2017 11:44:09 GMT
Are American police (many of them black) only brutal towards black folk? No, but of course only black lives matter, balls to the rest. Keep these protests off of the sports grounds, they can still protest elsewhere without involving people who don't wish to be part of it. If this sort of thing springs up at games it could well end up with aggro. I've seen footage of a big, black cop kicking the shit out of a young black lad on Youtube. Absolutely hammers him. If that cop had been white there would have been hell up. Not all police brutality is racially motivated. |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Oct 17, 2017 16:02:01 GMT
It's funny how, when it all boils down to it, the so-called libertarian alt-right is fundamentally anti-free speech. Want to assume a particular pose while a particular song is playing? You should be fired. How wonderfully democratic The alt-right is all for free speech, of course, if you happen to agree with them. In which case you're free to say whatever gibberish is on your mind Interestingly, this is exactly the sort of hypocrisy that people on the alt-right are forever accusing that purposely badly defined nemesis "the left" of. Classic deflection tactics. (Which, ironically, is another thing that alt-rightists are forever accusing "the left" of ) Libertariansim and the alt-right are entirely incompatible and it's wrong to conflate the two. I would identify as a libertarian and I've got fuck all to do with the alt-right. They're two colossal ends of a spectrum in fact. You're talking out of arse, the alt-right are by nature authoritarian. |
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Post by manmarking on Oct 17, 2017 16:55:33 GMT
It's funny how, when it all boils down to it, the so-called libertarian alt-right is fundamentally anti-free speech. Want to assume a particular pose while a particular song is playing? You should be fired. How wonderfully democratic The alt-right is all for free speech, of course, if you happen to agree with them. In which case you're free to say whatever gibberish is on your mind Interestingly, this is exactly the sort of hypocrisy that people on the alt-right are forever accusing that purposely badly defined nemesis "the left" of. Classic deflection tactics. (Which, ironically, is another thing that alt-rightists are forever accusing "the left" of ) Libertariansim and the alt-right are entirely incompatible and it's wrong to conflate the two. I would identify as a libertarian and I've got fuck all to do with the alt-right. They're two colossal ends of a spectrum in fact. You're talking out of arse, the alt-right are by nature authoritarian. That was the point of my post - apologies if it wasn't clear enough I said "so-called libertarian" because it's how the alt-right often identify themselves (the likes of Alex Jones, for example). It's not how I identify them. I share your view that the alt-right is very authoritarian. (Unless of course you agree with them, in which case they're all for free speech ) Although I would add the caveat that the alt-right and libertarians are certainly not at opposite ends of a spectrum. There are elements of libertarian ideology buried in the alt-right, and vice versa |
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Post by manmarking on Oct 17, 2017 17:18:16 GMT
Politics and sport should not mix. If you want to protest then march on to Parliament or in Americas case The White House. Disrespecting your nation and flag in front of fans probably those who fought for it and saw friends die for it is a disgrace. If Stoke players did that I would get up and leave and not return until the disrespectful wanker(s) had departed our club. Even if that meant years. Yes there are arsehole coppers who have killed but they do not represent the majority of coppers who give their lives everyday to protect and serve the public. How can you associate a knob head scum copper with your nationality your flag and your fellow countrymen. Get a grip. Also why do countries follow the USA. Be your own nation stop taking other countries crap ideas and making them your own. Be Proud Be British Be Stoke They're not protesting about people who fought and died for the country though are they? For instance in this case they're protesting against the very authorities that are supposed to uphold the virtues and meaning of the flag and the values of their nation for EVERY single member of their country, by abusing their power and utterly disrespecting what that flag is supposed to stand for!!! It's the people they're protesting against that are disrespecting the flag and nation, not those doing the protesting That's kind of the bloody point.....they're saying the flag and anthem no longer represent what it should do because of what the country has been turned into by those in power, so they refuse to respect what it now stands for. A National anthem played today is a symbol of the country and what it is today. If that country today is corrupt and unjust then that's what they're trying to show by doing this protest. People in the public eye who can reach millions have a very good opportunity to bring issues like this to a much wider audience, so fair play for them exercising their democratic right to do so. I hate all this "Everyone is allowed free speech...well until you become famous in which case you should sit down with your gob shut and be a good little boy" bollocks! They're famous because they're good at their job and that's what it is; a JOB. Why shouldn't they have the ability to protest like every other member of society does, just because they happen to be in a field of work that is more publicised than others???? Going back to people fighting and dying for their country, i think you'll find a hell of a lot of people died (particularly in the 2nd World war) because they were specifically fighting against powers that wanted to turn the world into a place of inequality, injustice and where people were openly abused, mistreated and lost their lives simply because of their colour/religion etc. I'm pretty damn sure those that died would actually be disgraced to find their own country has turned into a hotbed of what they were actually fighting against and died to try to eradicate in the first place, and would be equally appalled that it was being done under their flag and their anthem that meant something completely different to them then than what it means now! Point utterly missed by you i'm afraid mate I can't be arsed to read all of this I'm afraid mate, but I like it |
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Oct 17, 2017 18:01:52 GMT
They're not protesting about people who fought and died for the country though are they? For instance in this case they're protesting against the very authorities that are supposed to uphold the virtues and meaning of the flag and the values of their nation for EVERY single member of their country, by abusing their power and utterly disrespecting what that flag is supposed to stand for!!! It's the people they're protesting against that are disrespecting the flag and nation, not those doing the protesting That's kind of the bloody point.....they're saying the flag and anthem no longer represent what it should do because of what the country has been turned into by those in power, so they refuse to respect what it now stands for. A National anthem played today is a symbol of the country and what it is today. If that country today is corrupt and unjust then that's what they're trying to show by doing this protest. People in the public eye who can reach millions have a very good opportunity to bring issues like this to a much wider audience, so fair play for them exercising their democratic right to do so. I hate all this "Everyone is allowed free speech...well until you become famous in which case you should sit down with your gob shut and be a good little boy" bollocks! They're famous because they're good at their job and that's what it is; a JOB. Why shouldn't they have the ability to protest like every other member of society does, just because they happen to be in a field of work that is more publicised than others???? Going back to people fighting and dying for their country, i think you'll find a hell of a lot of people died (particularly in the 2nd World war) because they were specifically fighting against powers that wanted to turn the world into a place of inequality, injustice and where people were openly abused, mistreated and lost their lives simply because of their colour/religion etc. I'm pretty damn sure those that died would actually be disgraced to find their own country has turned into a hotbed of what they were actually fighting against and died to try to eradicate in the first place, and would be equally appalled that it was being done under their flag and their anthem that meant something completely different to them then than what it means now! Point utterly missed by you i'm afraid mate I can't be arsed to read all of this I'm afraid mate, but I like it I do like a good old mmlc exegesis,sadly too infrequent these days.. |
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Post by woodstein on Oct 17, 2017 21:52:29 GMT
A poppy is respect shown for those who have died to give us freedom. Its the one who won't wear it who brings politics into it. I agree. Does freedom include freedom to choose not to wear it? Yes, of course, don't force it on anyone. |
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Post by Godo on Oct 17, 2017 23:13:47 GMT
Yes it is a bit dumb to say keep politics out of sport but respect the flag and the anthem. Politics is in everything and those running our lives are using the media to promote a worldview based on hate and division to keep us arguing about manufactured fake news so that we never focus on them and their activities. If it was a scenario such as white South African cricketers protesting because white people were suddenly being murdered by black South African police how quickly the tone of some of the posters on here would change!!
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The alt-right is all for free speech, of course, if you happen to agree with them. In which case you're free to say whatever gibberish is on your mind 
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That's kind of the bloody point.....they're saying the flag and anthem no longer represent what it should do because of what the country has been turned into by those in power, so they refuse to respect what it now stands for.
