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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Oct 3, 2017 17:25:15 GMT
Garth Crooks - refreshes the parts other pundits can’t reach. Takes talking bollicks to a level that only smurf can reach.
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Post by davethebass on Oct 4, 2017 3:49:16 GMT
Dunner agree with Garth about Southampton, and I didn't even see the match! Respect the bloke though; Stoke legend. Weird how some folk seem have a cob on :/ .. watevs .. doubt he'll lose sleep over it. It's only the oatie  |
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Post by greyman on Oct 4, 2017 22:59:33 GMT
Dunner agree with Garth about Southampton, and I didn't even see the match! Respect the bloke though; Stoke legend. Weird how some folk seem have a cob on :/ .. watevs .. doubt he'll lose sleep over it. It's only the oatie In what way is he a Stoke legend? Decent player and local lad, but doesn't seem to have had a good word to say about the club since 1980. |
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Post by davethebass on Oct 4, 2017 23:33:49 GMT
Dunner agree with Garth about Southampton, and I didn't even see the match! Respect the bloke though; Stoke legend. Weird how some folk seem have a cob on :/ .. watevs .. doubt he'll lose sleep over it. It's only the oatie In what way is he a Stoke legend? Decent player and local lad, but doesn't seem to have had a good word to say about the club since 1980. Take your point, legend might be over egging it, he didn't have a long playing career with us. Mind he does get a thread on here nearly every week! There's times I've been disappointed he hasn't put in a word for us, or he's criticised us (maybe we earned it?); but I'm sure I've heard him speak well of us as well, even with affection sometimes. I've always put his lack of enthusiasm about us down to professional neutrality - which he's better at than a certain Leicester fan I can think of! |
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Post by greyman on Oct 5, 2017 5:27:37 GMT
In what way is he a Stoke legend? Decent player and local lad, but doesn't seem to have had a good word to say about the club since 1980. Take your point, legend might be over egging it, he didn't have a long playing career with us. Mind he does get a thread on here nearly every week! There's times I've been disappointed he hasn't put in a word for us, or he's criticised us (maybe we earned it?); but I'm sure I've heard him speak well of us as well, even with affection sometimes. I've always put his lack of enthusiasm about us down to professional neutrality - which he's better at than a certain Leicester fan I can think of! The worst one for that is Martin Keown. Why he's allowed to comment on Arsenal games I have no idea. Just look at what a tit he made of himself about their disallowed goal against us. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 5, 2017 6:57:18 GMT
Dunner agree with Garth about Southampton, and I didn't even see the match! Respect the bloke though; Stoke legend. Weird how some folk seem have a cob on :/ .. watevs .. doubt he'll lose sleep over it. It's only the oatie In what way is he a Stoke legend? Decent player and local lad, but doesn't seem to have had a good word to say about the club since 1980. OK let's compare Garth with a couple of other players that seem to have gained legendary status on this mb. Mark Chamberlain played 111 games and scored 17 goals in 3 seasons left Stoke to play for Sheffield Wednesday then Portsmouth in Div 2 = legend  Mark Stein played 123 games scored 68 goals in 3 seasons left Stoke for Chelsea where he played 63 games in 5 seasons. Won Div 2 championship and Auto Glass Trophy = legend Garth Crooks played 164 games scored 53 goals in five seasons left for Spurs where he played 183 games scoring 75 goals in 5 seasons winning 2 FA Cup and EUFA Cup medals. He became the first black player to hold the position of Chairman of the PFA and was awarded the OBE for services to football. In my book that is some achievement from a humble beginning in backstreets of Stoke on Trent. IMO Garth easily sits as a Stoke legend alongside other lesser "legends". |
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Post by Gods on Oct 5, 2017 8:31:48 GMT
In what way is he a Stoke legend? Decent player and local lad, but doesn't seem to have had a good word to say about the club since 1980. OK let's compare Garth with a couple of other players that seem to have gained legendary status on this mb. Mark Chamberlain played 111 games and scored 17 goals in 3 seasons left Stoke to play for Sheffield Wednesday then Portsmouth in Div 2 = legend Mark Stein played 123 games scored 68 goals in 3 seasons left Stoke for Chelsea where he played 63 games in 5 seasons. Won Div 2 championship and Auto Glass Trophy = legend Garth Crooks played 164 games scored 53 goals in five seasons left for Spurs where he played 183 games scoring 75 goals in 5 seasons winning 2 FA Cup and EUFA Cup medals. He became the first black player to hold the position of Chairman of the PFA and was awarded the OBE for services to football. In my book that is some achievement from a humble beginning in backstreets of Stoke on Trent. IMO Garth easily sits as a Stoke legend alongside other lesser "legends". I agree it's a strange one, there won't be many people not immediately involved at the time back in the day who will even have heard of Mark Stein or Mark Chamberlain. I think Garth's problem in Stoke is that he was never cool and is perceived to have turned his back on his place of birth. Personally I think the second part of that statement is just a nonsense. He is just doing his national job in his own quirky way, and that doesn't include somehow acting as a self appointed 'son of the Potteries'. |
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Post by davethebass on Oct 5, 2017 12:00:26 GMT
Take your point, legend might be over egging it, he didn't have a long playing career with us. Mind he does get a thread on here nearly every week! There's times I've been disappointed he hasn't put in a word for us, or he's criticised us (maybe we earned it?); but I'm sure I've heard him speak well of us as well, even with affection sometimes. I've always put his lack of enthusiasm about us down to professional neutrality - which he's better at than a certain Leicester fan I can think of! The worst one for that is Martin Keown. Why he's allowed to comment on Arsenal games I have no idea. Just look at what a tit he made of himself about their disallowed goal against us. haha yeah.. he contradicted himself so much he got cognitive dissonance! the look on his face was hilarious .. only a 'foot' offside lol |
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Post by davethebass on Oct 5, 2017 12:25:43 GMT
@lawrieleslie and Gods .. well if chambers and steino are legends, then i suppose Garth is a legend then after all .. didn't realise he'd played more games for us than them. And yeah, I've never got the impression he's turned his back on us, he speaks of Stoke with affection. Legend .. not legend .. legend! ... Now i feel like that guy in the pub on the fast show who just agrees with everybody! |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 5, 2017 12:27:59 GMT
My only problem with Garth is that he's a Christ-awful pundit to the point of utter weirdness.
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Post by davethebass on Oct 5, 2017 12:34:16 GMT
I like his forthrightness, even when he's wrong, and that look on matt Holland's face after Garth' s put him straight, is a picture
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Post by greyman on Oct 5, 2017 13:16:47 GMT
The worst one for that is Martin Keown. Why he's allowed to comment on Arsenal games I have no idea. Just look at what a tit he made of himself about their disallowed goal against us. haha yeah.. he contradicted himself so much he got cognitive dissonance! the look on his face was hilarious .. only a 'foot' offside lol Literally making the rules up as he went along.Started off arguing that a little bit offside is onside. Ended up arguing that if you can't tell how the official called it correctly, then he called it incorrectly. Now would these new ad hoc rules apply to a team playing against Arsenal? Of course not and that's why he shouldn't comment on Arsenal games. |
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Post by Will_75 on Oct 5, 2017 13:16:52 GMT
I like his forthrightness, even when he's wrong, and that look on matt Holland's face after Garth' s put him straight, is a picture exactly this. I love it when he goes off on one and it's clear that his colleagues have literally no idea where he's going with it... they just look massively uncomfortable, while he works himself up into a frothing ball of self-righteous bewilderment in a daft waistcoat. |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 5, 2017 21:58:41 GMT
Dunner agree with Garth about Southampton, and I didn't even see the match! Respect the bloke though; Stoke legend. Weird how some folk seem have a cob on :/ .. watevs .. doubt he'll lose sleep over it. It's only the oatie In what way is he a Stoke legend? Decent player and local lad, but doesn't seem to have had a good word to say about the club since 1980. Factually Incorrect Interview for Spurs website April 2016www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/features/the-big-interview/big-interview-garth-180416/Before we talk about your Spurs memories, tell us how you broke through at Stoke. Garth Crooks: "I broke through at Stoke courtesy of some fantastic professionals and people who, quite frankly, were ahead of their time. The most important man in football for me was Tony Waddington, arguably the best manager to have ever run Stoke City Football Club. To give young black players a chance to play the professional game during such an early period in our development portrayed a quality few possessed. The greatest goalkeeper I ever saw, and my youth team coach at the time, Gordon Banks, put me through and extraordinary regime. He went to great lengths to produce a work ethic that never existed before and one that has stayed with me all my working life. I would also have to doff my hat to the likes of Denis Smith, my first ever captain, who was a giant in so many ways as far as I was concerned. The likes of Terry Conroy and Jackie Marsh who became lifelong friends and later Adrian Heath and Lee Chapman both of whom went on to win trophies with Everton and Leeds United respectively. All of these individuals played a role in my development in one way or another at Stoke." What do you remember about those early days at the old Victoria Ground? Garth: "The most valuable memory for me playing at the Victoria Ground was making my debut. The transition from being a Stoke supporter to becoming one of their players was just amazing. I spent the first few moments just staring at where I used to stand in the Boothen End. No-one can imagine what a thrill that was for me, not to mention the most extraordinary feeling. To pull on that red and white shirt and run onto the pitch as a first team player was electrifying. I’ve played for four other clubs since but none of them ever quite matched that feeling." |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 6, 2017 14:54:22 GMT
In what way is he a Stoke legend? Decent player and local lad, but doesn't seem to have had a good word to say about the club since 1980. Factually Incorrect Interview for Spurs website April 2016www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/features/the-big-interview/big-interview-garth-180416/Before we talk about your Spurs memories, tell us how you broke through at Stoke. Garth Crooks: "I broke through at Stoke courtesy of some fantastic professionals and people who, quite frankly, were ahead of their time. The most important man in football for me was Tony Waddington, arguably the best manager to have ever run Stoke City Football Club. To give young black players a chance to play the professional game during such an early period in our development portrayed a quality few possessed. The greatest goalkeeper I ever saw, and my youth team coach at the time, Gordon Banks, put me through and extraordinary regime. He went to great lengths to produce a work ethic that never existed before and one that has stayed with me all my working life. I would also have to doff my hat to the likes of Denis Smith, my first ever captain, who was a giant in so many ways as far as I was concerned. The likes of Terry Conroy and Jackie Marsh who became lifelong friends and later Adrian Heath and Lee Chapman both of whom went on to win trophies with Everton and Leeds United respectively. All of these individuals played a role in my development in one way or another at Stoke." What do you remember about those early days at the old Victoria Ground? Garth: "The most valuable memory for me playing at the Victoria Ground was making my debut. The transition from being a Stoke supporter to becoming one of their players was just amazing. I spent the first few moments just staring at where I used to stand in the Boothen End. No-one can imagine what a thrill that was for me, not to mention the most extraordinary feeling. To pull on that red and white shirt and run onto the pitch as a first team player was electrifying. I’ve played for four other clubs since but none of them ever quite matched that feeling." Tut, tut ......Spit you're letting facts destroy some people's perception of the legend that is our Garth. |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 6, 2017 15:48:02 GMT
In what way is he a Stoke legend? Decent player and local lad, but doesn't seem to have had a good word to say about the club since 1980. Factually Incorrect Interview for Spurs website April 2016www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/features/the-big-interview/big-interview-garth-180416/Before we talk about your Spurs memories, tell us how you broke through at Stoke. Garth Crooks: "I broke through at Stoke courtesy of some fantastic professionals and people who, quite frankly, were ahead of their time. The most important man in football for me was Tony Waddington, arguably the best manager to have ever run Stoke City Football Club. To give young black players a chance to play the professional game during such an early period in our development portrayed a quality few possessed. The greatest goalkeeper I ever saw, and my youth team coach at the time, Gordon Banks, put me through and extraordinary regime. He went to great lengths to produce a work ethic that never existed before and one that has stayed with me all my working life. I would also have to doff my hat to the likes of Denis Smith, my first ever captain, who was a giant in so many ways as far as I was concerned. The likes of Terry Conroy and Jackie Marsh who became lifelong friends and later Adrian Heath and Lee Chapman both of whom went on to win trophies with Everton and Leeds United respectively. All of these individuals played a role in my development in one way or another at Stoke." What do you remember about those early days at the old Victoria Ground? Garth: "The most valuable memory for me playing at the Victoria Ground was making my debut. The transition from being a Stoke supporter to becoming one of their players was just amazing. I spent the first few moments just staring at where I used to stand in the Boothen End. No-one can imagine what a thrill that was for me, not to mention the most extraordinary feeling. To pull on that red and white shirt and run onto the pitch as a first team player was electrifying. I’ve played for four other clubs since but none of them ever quite matched that feeling."Thank you for that post and providing balance to this thread. I'm sure Garth has huge respect for Stoke. I'm also sure he knows he has a professional duty not to show bias, unlike Linekar, and if he did show bias, many other club fans, who are in the massive majority, would sharp complain. As to his professional ability he has done extremely well from lowly beginnings and possibly reached a level a little beyond his ability, like a lot of pundits. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 6, 2017 16:07:52 GMT
Factually Incorrect Interview for Spurs website April 2016www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/features/the-big-interview/big-interview-garth-180416/Before we talk about your Spurs memories, tell us how you broke through at Stoke. Garth Crooks: "I broke through at Stoke courtesy of some fantastic professionals and people who, quite frankly, were ahead of their time. The most important man in football for me was Tony Waddington, arguably the best manager to have ever run Stoke City Football Club. To give young black players a chance to play the professional game during such an early period in our development portrayed a quality few possessed. The greatest goalkeeper I ever saw, and my youth team coach at the time, Gordon Banks, put me through and extraordinary regime. He went to great lengths to produce a work ethic that never existed before and one that has stayed with me all my working life. I would also have to doff my hat to the likes of Denis Smith, my first ever captain, who was a giant in so many ways as far as I was concerned. The likes of Terry Conroy and Jackie Marsh who became lifelong friends and later Adrian Heath and Lee Chapman both of whom went on to win trophies with Everton and Leeds United respectively. All of these individuals played a role in my development in one way or another at Stoke." What do you remember about those early days at the old Victoria Ground? Garth: "The most valuable memory for me playing at the Victoria Ground was making my debut. The transition from being a Stoke supporter to becoming one of their players was just amazing. I spent the first few moments just staring at where I used to stand in the Boothen End. No-one can imagine what a thrill that was for me, not to mention the most extraordinary feeling. To pull on that red and white shirt and run onto the pitch as a first team player was electrifying. I’ve played for four other clubs since but none of them ever quite matched that feeling."Thank you for that post and providing balance to this thread. I'm sure Garth has huge respect for Stoke. I'm also sure he knows he has a professional duty not to show bias, unlike Linekar, and if he did show bias, many other club fans, who are in the massive majority, would sharp complain. As to his professional ability he has done extremely well from lowly beginnings and possibly reached a level a little beyond his ability, like a lot of pundits. It's a good point about him reaching a level beyond his ability as many, like me, would disagree. Far from being out of his depth I think he brings a breath of fresh air to the dullness of Lineker, Shearer and most other of the Yes men pundits on BBC. He makes many gaffs for sure and he very often takes the opposite, sometimes controversial view. One thing he rarely does is state the bleedin' obvious that others are so boringly good at doing. He's made more than one of the super pundits look stupid on many occasion and, of course, vice versa. But for me that's what makes him entertaining when on a punditry panel. |
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 6, 2017 16:40:23 GMT
In what way is he a Stoke legend? Decent player and local lad, but doesn't seem to have had a good word to say about the club since 1980. Factually Incorrect Interview for Spurs website April 2016www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/features/the-big-interview/big-interview-garth-180416/Before we talk about your Spurs memories, tell us how you broke through at Stoke. Garth Crooks: "I broke through at Stoke courtesy of some fantastic professionals and people who, quite frankly, were ahead of their time. The most important man in football for me was Tony Waddington, arguably the best manager to have ever run Stoke City Football Club. To give young black players a chance to play the professional game during such an early period in our development portrayed a quality few possessed. The greatest goalkeeper I ever saw, and my youth team coach at the time, Gordon Banks, put me through and extraordinary regime. He went to great lengths to produce a work ethic that never existed before and one that has stayed with me all my working life. I would also have to doff my hat to the likes of Denis Smith, my first ever captain, who was a giant in so many ways as far as I was concerned. The likes of Terry Conroy and Jackie Marsh who became lifelong friends and later Adrian Heath and Lee Chapman both of whom went on to win trophies with Everton and Leeds United respectively. All of these individuals played a role in my development in one way or another at Stoke." What do you remember about those early days at the old Victoria Ground? Garth: "The most valuable memory for me playing at the Victoria Ground was making my debut. The transition from being a Stoke supporter to becoming one of their players was just amazing. I spent the first few moments just staring at where I used to stand in the Boothen End. No-one can imagine what a thrill that was for me, not to mention the most extraordinary feeling. To pull on that red and white shirt and run onto the pitch as a first team player was electrifying. I’ve played for four other clubs since but none of them ever quite matched that feeling."Good post. Interesting comments about those great Tony Waddington days. Garth's a credit to Stoke City. Great player for us back in the day. |
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