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Jese?
Sept 24, 2017 8:30:21 GMT
Post by Scrotnig on Sept 24, 2017 8:30:21 GMT
He was being hailed as our new superstar a few short weeks ago remember. I too think he shouldn't be here, he should be with his family, but it's clear he wants to do both. That's laudable but it's also clear it's affecting his play. It's a tough one...he would likely be devastated if the club insisted he stopped playing until the issue is sorted (and what if it doesn't get sorted? ) I just don't know the answer to situations like this. Perhaps on a human level it is simply right that the club should play him if that's what he wants. But his form is now clearly poor and under normal circumstances he'd be dropped....difficult one.
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Jese?
Sept 24, 2017 8:30:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 8:30:39 GMT
I was sceptical about his signing when we first brought him in. I'm even more sceptical now.
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Jese?
Sept 24, 2017 9:54:26 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 24, 2017 9:54:26 GMT
Surely all of these players don't just go to shit when they arrive at stoke? Berahino Jese Bojan Imbula Bony +more I blame the manager. Beginning to look that way. Berahino Imbula and Wimmer =£48 million That's a hell of lot of money spent and potentially wasted.
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Jese?
Sept 24, 2017 10:01:48 GMT
Post by Pirate on Sept 24, 2017 10:01:48 GMT
I am going to hold fire on this one until i have seen him play against more standard opposition at home a few times. Oh stop being sensible. Its an occasional affliction
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Post by Pirate on Sept 24, 2017 10:04:31 GMT
Surely all of these players don't just go to shit when they arrive at stoke? Berahino Jese Bojan Imbula Bony +more I blame the manager. Beginning to look that way. Berahino Imbula and Wimmer =£48 million That's a hell of lot of money spent and potentially wasted. Sorry why is Wimmer there, how many games has he played for us?? Jesus!!!
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Jese?
Sept 24, 2017 10:05:16 GMT
Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 24, 2017 10:05:16 GMT
He shouldn't even be in the country, he should be at his babys bed side, apalling decision to play him today. Maybe it s his decision to be here and play, take his mind off it? Personally I think he shouldn't be here but maybe not the clubs doing? He certainly isn't himself on the pitch at the moment. It shouldn't be his decision, as his employer scfc have a duty of care towards him, we should be sitting him down, putting an arm around him, reassuring him and explaining that for his and his families well being they need to be together at this difficult time. Don't get me wrong, if his family were based in Cheshire, different kettle of fish, but he is backward and forward to Spain. Go home, be with your family with the best wishes of everyone from scfc, come back to us when your child is out of hospital.
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Jese?
Sept 24, 2017 10:07:44 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 24, 2017 10:07:44 GMT
Beginning to look that way. Berahino Imbula and Wimmer =£48 million That's a hell of lot of money spent and potentially wasted. Sorry why is Wimmer there, how many games has he played for us?? Jesus!!! I did say potentially mate.
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 24, 2017 10:10:46 GMT
He was being hailed as our new superstar a few short weeks ago remember. I too think he shouldn't be here, he should be with his family, but it's clear he wants to do both. That's laudable but it's also clear it's affecting his play. It's a tough one...he would likely be devastated if the club insisted he stopped playing until the issue is sorted (and what if it doesn't get sorted? ) I just don't know the answer to situations like this. Perhaps on a human level it is simply right that the club should play him if that's what he wants. But his form is now clearly poor and under normal circumstances he'd be dropped....difficult one. There is a simple solution to it if he wants to do both and stoke support him in this let him play his hart out for the first 60/70 min then sub him have a taxi waiting outside the ground to take him directly to the airport so avoiding the crush leaving the ground gets him back to his son quicker and all benefit. also while he is at home arrange with his nearest club to allow him to train and use there fitness facilities even if stoke pay them its a win win for all! and hopefully at the end of the season he will be our player and his son will be better and PSG and stoke make his move permanent and because of this little bit of compassion he will be a great asset to the club.
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Jese?
Sept 24, 2017 10:11:41 GMT
Post by Pirate on Sept 24, 2017 10:11:41 GMT
Sorry why is Wimmer there, how many games has he played for us?? Jesus!!! I did say potentially mate. So why isn't every player we signed this summer there?
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Jese?
Sept 24, 2017 10:15:52 GMT
Post by stokemark on Sept 24, 2017 10:15:52 GMT
Due diligence done on crucial signing in position where we are desperately short - Check
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 24, 2017 10:21:45 GMT
Surely all of these players don't just go to shit when they arrive at stoke? Berahino Jese Bojan Imbula Bony +more I blame the manager. Beginning to look that way. Berahino Imbula and Wimmer =£48 million That's a hell of lot of money spent and potentially wasted. I do think there's still hope. All 3 are undoubtably talented Wimmer - As someone said his poor Bristol performance was largely down to him having an injury. I know a few Spurs fans and they speak highly of him. He's no mug he just needs a bit of time and to play LCB of the 3. Berahino - Played last season to gain fitness when he needed to get up to speed then dropped this season after 1 game. He needs a chance now he's had a pre season in the middle with Choupa and Shaq either side. Jesé - Big risk. Not a striker should be in the pool with Choupa, Shaq and Ramadan. Too many square pegs in round holes. Yesterday summed that up perfectly. Diouf a STR at RWB Ramadan a WING at LWB Eric a LB at CB Johnson a RB at CB Jesé a WING at STR We should have finished the job in the summer and got a proper RWB, Target man and midfield destroyer. Either that or utilise some of the youngsters like Edwards, Tymon, Soutter and NGoy when fit. The usual resort to Adam and Johnson is not the way forward.
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Jese?
Sept 24, 2017 10:27:03 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 24, 2017 10:27:03 GMT
I did say potentially mate. So why isn't every player we signed this summer there? Because those 3 cost us some serious money and logically they will be the ones highlighted by the vast majority of fans on their success or failure, along with Hughes genius/ineptitude in the transfer window. At the moment it looks like the latter. Choupo won't cos hes a freebie. And Indi was here last season so we know what to expect plus we got him for a decent price.
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Sept 24, 2017 10:28:38 GMT
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Post by ElworthPotter on Sept 24, 2017 10:28:38 GMT
He was being hailed as our new superstar a few short weeks ago remember. I too think he shouldn't be here, he should be with his family, but it's clear he wants to do both. That's laudable but it's also clear it's affecting his play. It's a tough one...he would likely be devastated if the club insisted he stopped playing until the issue is sorted (and what if it doesn't get sorted? ) I just don't know the answer to situations like this. Perhaps on a human level it is simply right that the club should play him if that's what he wants. But his form is now clearly poor and under normal circumstances he'd be dropped....difficult one. There is a simple solution to it if he wants to do both and stoke support him in this let him play his hart out for the first 60/70 min then sub him have a taxi waiting outside the ground to take him directly to the airport so avoiding the crush leaving the ground gets him back to his son quicker and all benefit. also while he is at home arrange with his nearest club to allow him to train and use there fitness facilities even if stoke pay them its a win win for all! and hopefully at the end of the season he will be our player and his son will be better and PSG and stoke make his move permanent and because of this little bit of compassion he will be a great asset to the club. Would you want us to sign him on a permanent based on what you've seen so far?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 24, 2017 10:30:35 GMT
Surely all of these players don't just go to shit when they arrive at stoke? Berahino Jese Bojan Imbula Bony +more I blame the manager. Let's face it - you'd blame the manager for the Mexican earthquake.
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Sept 24, 2017 10:32:57 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2017 10:32:57 GMT
Surely all of these players don't just go to shit when they arrive at stoke? Berahino Jese Bojan Imbula Bony +more I blame the manager. Let's face it - you'd blame the manager for the Mexican earthquake. So we can't blame the manager for signing these players and being unable to get a tune from them? Weird
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Jese?
Sept 24, 2017 11:01:36 GMT
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 24, 2017 11:01:36 GMT
In the same place as Berahino and Imbula sadly Completely unfair comment on the guy. How can you judge how someone will pan out after only a few hours of watching him and, knowing that he has other things on his mind, after he has scored and almost scored, apart from a world class save. I'm glad we have him rather than not. A bit of patience, surly. I feel sorry for his circumstances and agree with him getting leave. My point is that we are not a team that can really accommodate that type of player. We are not good enough to provide them with the service to suit their game and they don't seem able to adapt to the work level needed in this league . It's a familiar pattern . Hopefully he will prove me wrong but I doubt it .
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Post by thegift on Sept 24, 2017 11:54:56 GMT
Surely all of these players don't just go to shit when they arrive at stoke? Berahino Jese Bojan Imbula Bony +more I blame the manager. Let's face it - you'd blame the manager for the Mexican earthquake. Oh come on mate tell me one thing I've said in that post that isn't true?
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Post by RF10 on Sept 24, 2017 12:07:39 GMT
I personally think he should be given leave but isn't everyone assuming that we are just not allowing him to. I'm sure the management team and Jesé have had conversations on the matter.
Saying that though he unfortunately was clearly not up to it yesterday on a number of aspects and should not have played.
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Sept 24, 2017 12:27:18 GMT
Post by kustokie on Sept 24, 2017 12:27:18 GMT
He was being hailed as our new superstar a few short weeks ago remember. I too think he shouldn't be here, he should be with his family, but it's clear he wants to do both. That's laudable but it's also clear it's affecting his play. It's a tough one...he would likely be devastated if the club insisted he stopped playing until the issue is sorted (and what if it doesn't get sorted? ) I just don't know the answer to situations like this. Perhaps on a human level it is simply right that the club should play him if that's what he wants. But his form is now clearly poor and under normal circumstances he'd be dropped....difficult one. This is the tail wagging the dog. It's his decision if he wants to be considered for selection, but it's up to Hughes to decide if he can contribute. Right now he's clearly a basket case, so there's only one decision that makes sense for both sides, send him back to his family and recall him when things are sorted out.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 24, 2017 12:28:05 GMT
Let's face it - you'd blame the manager for the Mexican earthquake. Oh come on mate tell me one thing I've said in that post that isn't true? The idea that they were all brilliant and just turned to shit the second they walked through the door isn't true.
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Sept 24, 2017 12:29:31 GMT
Post by kustokie on Sept 24, 2017 12:29:31 GMT
Let's face it - you'd blame the manager for the Mexican earthquake. Oh come on mate tell me one thing I've said in that post that isn't true? Bojan was our best player until his ACL injury.
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Post by skip on Sept 24, 2017 12:46:45 GMT
The lad needs compassionate leave from club. He was clearly not himself today. My thoughts exactly.
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Sept 24, 2017 13:16:13 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2017 13:16:13 GMT
The lad needs compassionate leave from club. He was clearly not himself today. My thoughts exactly. What if we've offered it and he's said no? Also this isn't a new issue, his son has been ill for a while. You'd have hoped we would have known when we signed him.
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Sept 24, 2017 13:18:10 GMT
Post by essexstokey on Sept 24, 2017 13:18:10 GMT
There is a simple solution to it if he wants to do both and stoke support him in this let him play his hart out for the first 60/70 min then sub him have a taxi waiting outside the ground to take him directly to the airport so avoiding the crush leaving the ground gets him back to his son quicker and all benefit. also while he is at home arrange with his nearest club to allow him to train and use there fitness facilities even if stoke pay them its a win win for all! and hopefully at the end of the season he will be our player and his son will be better and PSG and stoke make his move permanent and because of this little bit of compassion he will be a great asset to the club. Would you want us to sign him on a permanent based on what you've seen so far? yes think he has a lot of potential he showed that in his first game you then have to think about what he is having to deal with in his personal life then think of how much training he is missing with the team. If when these things are put right you will see a different player.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 24, 2017 13:23:09 GMT
Would you want us to sign him on a permanent based on what you've seen so far? yes think he has a lot of potential he showed that in his first game you then have to think about what he is having to deal with in his personal life then think of how much training he is missing with the team. If when these things are put right you will see a different player. Where do you play him though? He's not a centre forward and he doesn't warrant a place ahead of Choupo or Shaq.
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Sept 24, 2017 13:24:04 GMT
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Post by mrred on Sept 24, 2017 13:24:04 GMT
Who knows, the club may well have said (and I'd like to think we have) "If you need to be with your family then you have our blessing". Maybe football is a bit of escapism? It's not as if were as bad as the last 2 years is it?
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Sept 24, 2017 13:25:10 GMT
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Post by ElworthPotter on Sept 24, 2017 13:25:10 GMT
Would you want us to sign him on a permanent based on what you've seen so far? yes think he has a lot of potential he showed that in his first game you then have to think about what he is having to deal with in his personal life then think of how much training he is missing with the team. If when these things are put right you will see a different player. He was good against Arsenal but first home game not long after signing he probably got through on adrenaline. Since then he's been very disappointing. Except for getting on the end of one chance v United he's done nothing since his goal against Arsenal. I understand that his home issues are probably unsettling and may well be a factor but we shouldn't sign him based on his form MAYBE improving if his son gets better. What if his son gets better so we sign him and it turns out it wasn't playing a part and he's just a bit rubbish? Too big a risk to take with the money we've already spunked in recent windows IMO. He may well improve, put in some great performances and cause me to change my opinion (I hope he does) but if he performs as he has done up till now for the rest of the season we'd be daft to sign him up on a permanent. Very poor overall.
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Sept 24, 2017 13:32:01 GMT
Post by ChesterStokie on Sept 24, 2017 13:32:01 GMT
Maybe the plan with Jese is to keep him ticking over until next Saturday, give him another 60 minutes against Southampton in the hope he gets a confidence boost from that, and then give him 10 days off during the international break.
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Sept 24, 2017 13:32:47 GMT
Post by essexstokey on Sept 24, 2017 13:32:47 GMT
yes think he has a lot of potential he showed that in his first game you then have to think about what he is having to deal with in his personal life then think of how much training he is missing with the team. If when these things are put right you will see a different player. Where do you play him though? He's not a centre forward and he doesn't warrant a place ahead of Choupo or Shaq. Ive just said on the choupo thread if we are playing the 3 of them then we use them as interchanging players ie rotating causing the defence problems as they target weaknesses in the opposition all 3 can score all 3 can pass and all 3 have skill to upset the defence of the opposition by moving it around getting there players out of position. you can then bring into this the fact that our other forwards can then come on and take advantage of a worn out disorganised defence that has been worn ragged
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Sept 24, 2017 13:36:32 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2017 13:36:32 GMT
Where do you play him though? He's not a centre forward and he doesn't warrant a place ahead of Choupo or Shaq. Ive just said on the choupo thread if we are playing the 3 of them then we use them as interchanging players ie rotating causing the defence problems as they target weaknesses in the opposition all 3 can score all 3 can pass and all 3 have skill to upset the defence of the opposition by moving it around getting there players out of position. you can then bring into this the fact that our other forwards can then come on and take advantage of a worn out disorganised defence that has been worn ragged Jese hasn't shown he can pass and has got skill at all though!
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