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Post by kelw on Feb 25, 2019 20:05:55 GMT
Personally rather worry about my own team than one in the basement league.
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 25, 2019 20:08:54 GMT
May 4th 2019 who is up for a "starwars day" ehem piss up in burslum celebrating some of the clasics like the "The stokies strikes back" "the revenge of the smurf" and "The phantom goal"
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Post by stokesupporter on Feb 25, 2019 20:30:00 GMT
This thread has jinxed SCFC. When it first emerged we were rather safely in the Premierhip and still went down. And now we are struggling in the Champioship!
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Post by lordb on Feb 25, 2019 21:01:23 GMT
Vales last home game is v Macclesfield. Shaping up that one of those two will go down. Vales last game is away at Bury,no chance there.
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Post by lordb on Mar 1, 2019 17:11:54 GMT
Smurthwaite has turned down a £3.5m bid from Synergie today. He wants over £6m God knows who he thinks is going to pay that for it.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 1, 2019 17:21:37 GMT
Start up those engines!!
✈️✈️✈️✈️ RIP C__ts
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Post by mattyd on Mar 1, 2019 17:52:30 GMT
May 4th 2019 who is up for a "starwars day" ehem piss up in burslum celebrating some of the clasics like the "The stokies strikes back" "the revenge of the smurf" and "The phantom goal" And if we have a clear out...Can I be " No one wants Afobe."...Obi wan Kenobi...
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Post by napperwainwright on Mar 1, 2019 18:57:41 GMT
More concerned about the state of SCFC than than I am about the Vale.
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Post by Absolution on Mar 1, 2019 19:05:54 GMT
More concerned about the state of SCFC than than I am about the Vale. Every Stoke fan is. But if you take a look around, it's not that difficult to find umpteen threads about our own problems. Are we not allowed a bit of light relief at someone else's expense, or should we just solely wallow in our own misery? It's easy enough to avoid any thread you're not interested in.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Mar 1, 2019 19:17:22 GMT
May 4th 2019 who is up for a "starwars day" ehem piss up in burslum celebrating some of the clasics like the "The stokies strikes back" "the revenge of the smurf" and "The phantom goal" Star wars episode 4, the no hopers
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Post by stokesupporter on Mar 1, 2019 20:25:06 GMT
More concerned about the state of SCFC than than I am about the Vale. Every Stoke fan is. But if you take a look around, it's not that difficult to find umpteen threads about our own problems. Are we not allowed a bit of light relief at someone else's expense, or should we just solely wallow in our own misery? It's easy enough to avoid any thread you're not interested in. The thing is that we were doing absolutely fine and didn't seem to have a care in the world when this thread was started. So this was more about being a bit smug rather than having "a bit of light relief at someones's expense".
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Post by Absolution on Mar 1, 2019 20:31:48 GMT
Every Stoke fan is. But if you take a look around, it's not that difficult to find umpteen threads about our own problems. Are we not allowed a bit of light relief at someone else's expense, or should we just solely wallow in our own misery? It's easy enough to avoid any thread you're not interested in. The thing is that we were doing absolutely fine and didn't seem to have a care in the world when this thread was started. So this was more about being a bit smug rather than having "a bit of light relief at someones's expense". That was then, this is now.
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Post by werrington on Mar 1, 2019 20:38:38 GMT
Fuck me it’s banter no more no less
Those moaning about us taking the piss out of them are probably the same ones moaning about football becoming sterile
I’ve got some good friends who happen to support PVFC but when it comes to football fuck em and they feel exactly the same as I do in regards SCFC and wish nothing but bad on us
If you don’t like this thread stay off it and let the rest of us revel in their downfall just like they did ours last season
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Post by innocentbystander on Mar 1, 2019 21:46:57 GMT
Smurthwaite has turned down a £3.5m bid from Synergie today. He wants over £6m God knows who he thinks is going to pay that for it. 6m = one third of Kevin Wimmer. Puts things in perspective?
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Post by chayzenbacon on Mar 1, 2019 21:50:46 GMT
Smurthwaite has turned down a £3.5m bid from Synergie today. He wants over £6m God knows who he thinks is going to pay that for it. 6m = one third of Kevin Wimmer. Puts things in perspective? It does doesn't it? Makes fat Kev look like a bargain after all.
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Post by Northy on Mar 4, 2019 11:46:04 GMT
Could they be playing Stockport in the conference next season? Stockport had over 6000 in attendence in the Conference North on Saturday v Spennymoor
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Post by waffles on Mar 4, 2019 15:12:34 GMT
As I have said may times before, I wish them the same as they wish us.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 4, 2019 17:23:23 GMT
Could they be playing Stockport in the conference next season? Stockport had over 6000 in attendence in the Conference North on Saturday v Spennymoor Well that sounds like a revolting fixture.
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Post by santy on Mar 4, 2019 19:40:11 GMT
Smurthwaite has turned down a £3.5m bid from Synergie today. He wants over £6m God knows who he thinks is going to pay that for it. To be fair, their offer was only 500k upfront. What exactly happens with a football club if they realise in 12 months time they can't afford the next payment? Does he have to repossess the club and is then stuck with a monumental task of getting rid of it for a second time or does he have to wind it up and only get pence on the pound? It's worth remembering that loans to a business from directors or any source count as part of the value of the business. If someone were to buy Stoke out, the Coates family would well be within their rights to ask for an amount for the club, for the sake of argument, £50m and the loans owed to them being paid back at the same time of £120m+ so it would take the club up to nearer a £200m value. Sometimes, like in the case of the Bolton owner, at the time of selling they will write it off but Smurthwaite at Vale has no such incentive. The fans haven't given him any reason to desire that, they want him out and are getting uppity about it so he wants his money. - - - For Vale in general though, where does the club go from here? They've rebelled against a chairman like Bill Bell, they've rebelled against fan installed chairman Bill Bratt, they've rebelled against Deakin and the other guy who did some shady stuff but were able to be voted onto the board and had to be put into administration by the council and now they've rebelled against their saviour who bought them when few others seemed genuinely interested in less than 5 years. When a club has been at war with itself for some 25+ years what hope is there? It's the only thing the fans know now, the club has no ability to unite against an outside factor because our paths have diverged so far that there's no modicum of even trying to unite behind an ideal of trying to best us. "To be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best" is a great quote from a video game many moons ago. It sums up the Vale fans perfectly though, it isn't their club and support that unites them but the continual battles against their owners when they cannot live up to continual year on year improvements.
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Post by Pedropotter on Mar 4, 2019 20:30:37 GMT
Smurthwaite has turned down a £3.5m bid from Synergie today. He wants over £6m God knows who he thinks is going to pay that for it. To be fair, their offer was only 500k upfront. What exactly happens with a football club if they realise in 12 months time they can't afford the next payment? Does he have to repossess the club and is then stuck with a monumental task of getting rid of it for a second time or does he have to wind it up and only get pence on the pound? It's worth remembering that loans to a business from directors or any source count as part of the value of the business. If someone were to buy Stoke out, the Coates family would well be within their rights to ask for an amount for the club, for the sake of argument, £50m and the loans owed to them being paid back at the same time of £120m+ so it would take the club up to nearer a £200m value. Sometimes, like in the case of the Bolton owner, at the time of selling they will write it off but Smurthwaite at Vale has no such incentive. The fans haven't given him any reason to desire that, they want him out and are getting uppity about it so he wants his money. - - - For Vale in general though, where does the club go from here? They've rebelled against a chairman like Bill Bell, they've rebelled against fan installed chairman Bill Bratt, they've rebelled against Deakin and the other guy who did some shady stuff but were able to be voted onto the board and had to be put into administration by the council and now they've rebelled against their saviour who bought them when few others seemed genuinely interested in less than 5 years. When a club has been at war with itself for some 25+ years what hope is there? It's the only thing the fans know now, the club has no ability to unite against an outside factor because our paths have diverged so far that there's no modicum of even trying to unite behind an ideal of trying to best us. "To be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best" is a great quote from a video game many moons ago. It sums up the Vale fans perfectly though, it isn't their club and support that unites them but the continual battles against their owners when they cannot live up to continual year on year improvements. Excellent post.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 4, 2019 21:16:18 GMT
Smurthwaite has turned down a £3.5m bid from Synergie today. He wants over £6m God knows who he thinks is going to pay that for it. To be fair, their offer was only 500k upfront. What exactly happens with a football club if they realise in 12 months time they can't afford the next payment? Does he have to repossess the club and is then stuck with a monumental task of getting rid of it for a second time or does he have to wind it up and only get pence on the pound? It's worth remembering that loans to a business from directors or any source count as part of the value of the business. If someone were to buy Stoke out, the Coates family would well be within their rights to ask for an amount for the club, for the sake of argument, £50m and the loans owed to them being paid back at the same time of £120m+ so it would take the club up to nearer a £200m value. Sometimes, like in the case of the Bolton owner, at the time of selling they will write it off but Smurthwaite at Vale has no such incentive. The fans haven't given him any reason to desire that, they want him out and are getting uppity about it so he wants his money. - - - For Vale in general though, where does the club go from here? They've rebelled against a chairman like Bill Bell, they've rebelled against fan installed chairman Bill Bratt, they've rebelled against Deakin and the other guy who did some shady stuff but were able to be voted onto the board and had to be put into administration by the council and now they've rebelled against their saviour who bought them when few others seemed genuinely interested in less than 5 years. When a club has been at war with itself for some 25+ years what hope is there? It's the only thing the fans know now, the club has no ability to unite against an outside factor because our paths have diverged so far that there's no modicum of even trying to unite behind an ideal of trying to best us. "To be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best" is a great quote from a video game many moons ago. It sums up the Vale fans perfectly though, it isn't their club and support that unites them but the continual battles against their owners when they cannot live up to continual year on year improvements. I agree fuck them is the abridged version of your post :0P
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 4, 2019 22:49:45 GMT
Smurthwaite has turned down a £3.5m bid from Synergie today. He wants over £6m God knows who he thinks is going to pay that for it. To be fair, their offer was only 500k upfront. What exactly happens with a football club if they realise in 12 months time they can't afford the next payment? Does he have to repossess the club and is then stuck with a monumental task of getting rid of it for a second time or does he have to wind it up and only get pence on the pound? It's worth remembering that loans to a business from directors or any source count as part of the value of the business. If someone were to buy Stoke out, the Coates family would well be within their rights to ask for an amount for the club, for the sake of argument, £50m and the loans owed to them being paid back at the same time of £120m+ so it would take the club up to nearer a £200m value. Sometimes, like in the case of the Bolton owner, at the time of selling they will write it off but Smurthwaite at Vale has no such incentive. The fans haven't given him any reason to desire that, they want him out and are getting uppity about it so he wants his money. - - - For Vale in general though, where does the club go from here? They've rebelled against a chairman like Bill Bell, they've rebelled against fan installed chairman Bill Bratt, they've rebelled against Deakin and the other guy who did some shady stuff but were able to be voted onto the board and had to be put into administration by the council and now they've rebelled against their saviour who bought them when few others seemed genuinely interested in less than 5 years. When a club has been at war with itself for some 25+ years what hope is there? It's the only thing the fans know now, the club has no ability to unite against an outside factor because our paths have diverged so far that there's no modicum of even trying to unite behind an ideal of trying to best us. "To be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best" is a great quote from a video game many moons ago. It sums up the Vale fans perfectly though, it isn't their club and support that unites them but the continual battles against their owners when they cannot live up to continual year on year improvements. Bang on. Top post mate.
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Post by greyman on Mar 5, 2019 7:00:32 GMT
From The Times today.
Football fans need help in their fight against bad owners Henry Winter, chief football writer
Two men with a ladder did the honours at Bloomfield Road yesterday, one holding the steps steady, the other climbing up and removing an advertisement for Oyston’s estate agency. It will take longer to expunge completely the taint of the Oyston family on this famous old ground but thanks to Blackpool’s indefatigable supporters, the fumigation process is under way.
Invited to join “the big clean-up”, fans reported eagerly for duty to clear the North Stand, some clutching tangerine buckets. As fans prepared to return to the stadium after the ousting of the Oystons, the cleansing was symbolic as well as much needed. Scrubbing away the guilt of the authorities will take rather longer.
It is a stain on the name of the EFL, arguably the Premier League initially, that it failed to act when it became apparent that the Oystons’ running of the club involved running it down. The EFL meets tomorrow to decide whether to deduct points from Blackpool for going into receivership, a possibility causing understandable outrage as the League itself failed to call the odious Oystons to account, to question their motives and antics, to ask where all the Premier League money had gone.
Blackpool Supporters’ Trust, and tireless “Oyston Out” campaigners such as its chairman Christine Seddon, showed more backbone, showing up EFL inaction.
It is the fans who are the true guardians of the game, protecting clubs, promoting integrity, cherishing history and resisting the charlatans. It is the fans who shake buckets and raise funds, organise boycotts, lobby MPs, and print up protest paraphernalia, even ensuring they have the required fire certificates to take banners into grounds.
The EFL, FA and Premier League should think about the two men and a ladder, and the tens of thousands of supporters protesting about controversial owners from Blackpool to Bolton Wanderers, Charlton Athletic to Coventry City, Port Vale and beyond.
Many well-intentioned people inhabit the corridors of power, and some follow clubs who have slid down the pyramid thanks to uncaring, unthinking owners, yet the leadership of these national bodies have let them, the clubs and the game down. They stand accused of being Neros in blazers, fiddling while clubs burn.
The governance of English football is at a key moment. The three main footballing authorities interview for new chief executives, who could, if enlightened, make a real difference to safeguarding clubs. If the Premier League simply seeks an exec who does not worry about the soul of the game, or the match-going supporters, just somebody who can get top dollar, pound or yen from broadcasters, then it is to be hoped the FA and EFL appoint individuals with some empathy with the game, with the character to stand up to those owners harming clubs.
It’s happening again, the curse of unpopular owners now striking at Vale.
Fans march from Burslem Town Hall to Vale Park, opposing the retired businessman Norman Smurthwaite, demanding to know where recent windfalls, from the sale of Jordan Hugill and Checkatrade and FA Cup runs, have gone and why he won’t sell at a sensible price.
Last weekend during the League Two game at Notts County’s Meadow Lane, 1,200 travelling Vale fans chanted “Norman Smurthwaite, get out of our club”.
These are passionate fans, mobilising to defend their club, taking it in their stride when Vale Social gets flooded so the Supporters’ Club meeting is moved to Burslem Golf Club. “We are facing football oblivion,” the supporters’ club chairman Mark Porter told the gathering. Vale are perilously close to slipping into non-League.
Echoing Manchester United fans’ early “green and gold” protest against the unloved Glazer family, Vale supporters adopted their historic colours “Black and Gold Until It’s Sold”. The Stoke Sentinel ran a “Vale in Crisis” series and although Vale’s travails have not registered widely on the national agenda, their problems fill another episode in the tragi-drama afflicting the game.
Take Charlton Athletic, a once model club turned into a soap opera by the Belgian businessmen Roland Duchâtelet, whose recent utterances, including the proposal of selling the club to the EFL, suggest somebody bordering on the deluded. Again, fans have rallied to their club’s aid, and if some of their more extreme tactics have cost them some sympathy, at least Charlton devotees have acted while the EFL hesitates.
The game is crying out for leaders with courage. The old notion that it is an owner’s business to do with a club as he or she sees fit is outdated and morally wrong anyway. Trashing a club is bringing the game into disrepute. The EFL should be having a word with Ken Anderson, the rather strange owner of Bolton Wanderers. Life is bleeding from the Championship club. “Bolton close training ground because of food shortage,” read the headline in The Bolton News yesterday. Staff have not been paid for February. As the authorities look on, it is left to the Bolton Wanderers Supporters’ Trust to consider having a (large) whip-round to help. The authorities plead it is out of their hands, that the Owners’ and Directors’ test, the check formerly known as the Fit and Proper Persons’ test, means that, effectively, they can allow anybody to swan in and mess about with an English institution providing they don’t have a criminal record. As the sad, old saying in football goes, Robert Mugabe could buy an English club and the EFL would wave him through.
The FA, supposedly the guardian of the game, should become more involved, asking more questions. How is Sisu, the wretched hedge fund draining the life from Coventry City, allowed to get away with years of silence, litigation, and damaging a historic club? Because the authorities did not act. Is Joy Seppala, chief executive of Sisu, one of the most loathed people in football, standing accused of utter contempt for Coventry fans and English football?
Yes, and the EFL and FA should have summoned Seppala to explain her plans for Coventry. Is Seppala really as heartless as depicted? All the signs are that she is. Get out of our sport.
It should embarrass the EFL that Coventry have to inform the League by today where they will be playing next season. It could be the Ricoh, owned by the rugby club Wasps, who will not extend the lease because of Sisu legal wrangles, or elsewhere. Coventry council leader George Duggins, of Longford Ward, Coventry, pleaded with Sisu not to “play Russian roulette with the future of our great football club”. There have even been questions in the House. But not enough from the EFL. So it has been left to fans to campaign and pray. Coventry would be dead without their supporters, waving their “Save Our Club” placards.
And how would officials at the EFL, the Premier League and the FA feel if a name so synonymous with the heart of football, who brought in some of the most significant innovations in the game such as all-seater stands, disappeared on their watch? Shame.
Clubs can survive bad owners, like Leyton Orient in the Francesco Becchetti era and Portsmouth under the questionable likes of Vladimir Antonov, through the constancy of fans. O’s supporters stayed loyal and now have proper owners in Nigel Travis and Kent Teague. Pompey Supporters’ Trust saved a national treasure with all the commitment and expertise of those who raised the Mary Rose. The Eisner family, mainly the American businessman Michael and his son Eric, have come in and proved capable and caring owners of Portsmouth. Importantly, they listen and engage, and genuinely seem to enjoy the Pompey experience.
Years of protests appear to have paid off at Ewood Park where Blackburn Rovers’ owners, Venky’s, the Indian family poultry firm, seem to have heeded fans’ anger at their chaotic management. They are not interfering, they are not listening to the wrong people, not relying on agents with agendas, and Ewood Park is a much better place. One family member quietly travels to Ewood to watch games. Yet Rovers fans understandably are cautious. It seems only yesterday they were smuggling chickens on to the pitch to hold up games and holding up banners reading “Made in Blackburn, Destroyed in India”.
The authorities, including the three new leaders when appointed, must begin to follow fans in standing up to rogue owners and, if necessary, getting the ladder out and bringing them down a peg or two.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 13:39:18 GMT
Every Stoke fan is. But if you take a look around, it's not that difficult to find umpteen threads about our own problems. Are we not allowed a bit of light relief at someone else's expense, or should we just solely wallow in our own misery? It's easy enough to avoid any thread you're not interested in. The thing is that we were doing absolutely fine and didn't seem to have a care in the world when this thread was started. So this was more about being a bit smug rather than having "a bit of light relief at someones's expense". Hey here's a novel idea - stay off the thread then if it causing you so much of a problem.
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Post by mattyd on Mar 9, 2019 16:14:38 GMT
Mansfield hammering them...67% possession , 8 corners to 1...Missed a penalty... BUT...Vale are winning 2-0
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Post by trentvale68 on Mar 9, 2019 16:24:32 GMT
Come on Mansfield, get another one!!
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Post by innocentbystander on Mar 9, 2019 17:06:54 GMT
Mansfield hammering them...67% possession , 8 corners to 1...Missed a penalty... BUT...Vale are winning 2-0 FFS - look what you've done now
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 9, 2019 17:17:52 GMT
I hope very much that Vale stay up and go on to greater things but not as great as the Potters of course. The city seems to be a brighter place when both teams are doing well. A future without the possibility of the teams playing against each other would be a sad one.
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Post by bigvern on Mar 9, 2019 17:28:07 GMT
I hope very much that Vale stay up and go on to greater things but not as great as the Potters of course. The city seems to be a brighter place when both teams are doing well. A future without the possibility of the teams playing against each other would be a sad one. I personally want them to get relegated and go deep into oblivion and fold.😁😁
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Post by thevoid on Mar 9, 2019 17:29:22 GMT
I hope very much that Vale stay up and go on to greater things but not as great as the Potters of course. The city seems to be a brighter place when both teams are doing well. A future without the possibility of the teams playing against each other would be a sad one. Stoke-on-Trent was buzzing in the 90s anyway, Stoke playing the Fail was a bonus.
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