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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 29, 2017 16:46:44 GMT
Not managed to watch any today, poor bowling, great batting or a bit of both? Didn't give the Windies a prayer this morning, fair play if they pull it off. Outstanding batting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 16:51:02 GMT
Not managed to watch any today, poor bowling, great batting or a bit of both? Didn't give the Windies a prayer this morning, fair play if they pull it off. Outstanding batting. Excellent batting coupled with some really poor bowling. If Windies hadn't dropped their catches they'd have won this at a canter, fully deserve their victory if they get there.......
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 29, 2017 17:11:19 GMT
We lack a bowler with express pace, our attack is very one dimensional when the ball isn't swinging. It's a shame Wood couldn't find his form/pace of last Summer.
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Post by ashtonstokie on Aug 29, 2017 17:14:50 GMT
I just hope this doesn't put Root off declaring to win the game in the future. For me Cook was a tad guilty of waiting till we can't lose before declaring and I hope Root doesn't go down the same path.
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Post by stokienorthants on Aug 29, 2017 17:33:12 GMT
Our bowling attack looked toothless today Windies fully deserve their victory I put money on the draw but never thought England could possibly lose 😕
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 17:42:16 GMT
Well deserved victory by the Windies.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 29, 2017 17:53:23 GMT
Excellent result for the Windies, pretty ordinary stuff from England to say the least.
What's happened to Stokes' bowling over the last 12 months or so? He was unplayable in the last ashes series and has always chipped in with important wickets. It seems like a while since he's made a meaningful contribution with the ball.
The less said about our fealding the better.
All in all a very complacent performance by us, hopefully it'll give us the kick up backside we need for the next test.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 18:03:18 GMT
We were the same against South Africa after having won by a huge margin we contrived to lose the next test by an even bigger score, but then upped our game and went on to easily win the series. Hopefully we can do the same against the Windies.
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Post by swampmongrel on Aug 29, 2017 18:44:45 GMT
I just hope this doesn't put Root off declaring to win the game in the future. For me Cook was a tad guilty of waiting till we can't lose before declaring and I hope Root doesn't go down the same path. Easy with hindsight and it might have gone the other way but I thought at the time it was a 'brave' declaration. We knew from their first innings that they were capable of a big score on this wicket and 322 from 90 plus overs, while difficult, was always a fair possibility. I wish I'd put a bet on. I was surprised by how bullish a lot of the punditry was. Yesterday even before Moeen came into bat somebody (don't remember who) was saying a lead of 180 was enough. Even at tea today Botham said he thought a draw most likely. Still I'm sort of pleased with the result. A good match a competitive series.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 18:53:38 GMT
Our bowling attack looked toothless today Windies fully deserve their victory I put money on the draw but never thought England could possibly lose 😕 On the flat, quicker pitches of Australia I fear for our current bowling attack. Lacks real pace and variety, Woakes, Roland Jones and Anderson all rely on the ball moving, Broad to a lesser extent but he struggles to kepp his pace up consistently these days. Wood is 90mph quick on his day but needs to get fit and stay injury free, Finn's pace is way down these days and I'm not convinced by Jake Ball. The Curran brothers look like real talents but again no real variety to their bowling compared to what we've got. Then there's the likes of the Overton's who haven't really pushed on. In a nutshell I'm struggling to see how we'll take 20 wickets is what I'm saying...........
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 19:12:14 GMT
Our bowling attack looked toothless today Windies fully deserve their victory I put money on the draw but never thought England could possibly lose 😕 On the flat, quicker pitches of Australia I fear for our current bowling attack. Lacks real pace and variety, Woakes, Roland Jones and Anderson all rely on the ball moving, Broad to a lesser extent but he struggles to kepp his pace up consistently these days. Wood is 90mph quick on his day but needs to get fit and stay injury free, Finn's pace is way down these days and I'm not convinced by Jake Ball. The Curran brothers look like real talents but again no real variety to their bowling compared to what we've got. Then there's the likes of the Overton's who haven't really pushed on. In a nutshell I'm struggling to see how we'll take 20 wickets is what I'm saying........... I agree, it's a bit of a daunting prospect isn't it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 19:13:52 GMT
On the flat, quicker pitches of Australia I fear for our current bowling attack. Lacks real pace and variety, Woakes, Roland Jones and Anderson all rely on the ball moving, Broad to a lesser extent but he struggles to kepp his pace up consistently these days. Wood is 90mph quick on his day but needs to get fit and stay injury free, Finn's pace is way down these days and I'm not convinced by Jake Ball. The Curran brothers look like real talents but again no real variety to their bowling compared to what we've got. Then there's the likes of the Overton's who haven't really pushed on. In a nutshell I'm struggling to see how we'll take 20 wickets is what I'm saying........... I agree, it's a bit of a daunting prospect isn't it. His record in the long format of the game of late is pretty uninspiring but Plunkett hits the deck hard and runs in all day long, we may have to take a chance on someone like him......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 19:33:01 GMT
I agree, it's a bit of a daunting prospect isn't it. His record in the long format of the game of late is pretty uninspiring but Plunkett hits the deck hard and runs in all day long, we may have to take a chance on someone like him...... Like the top order batting, I think we've almost exhausted all the likely current candidates and are now left with what's almost a "make do" set up. It certainly doesn't bode well for the Ashes tour. I am becoming fairly disappointed with Trevor Bayliss's lack of improvement in the Test team performances and consistency, although he did come with a CV and reputation as a one day coach, but I don't feel that we're progressing that much at all lately. It's been rumoured that Ottis Gibson may well become the new SA head coach, and I've read reports that Curtley Ambrose may well be in line to replace him. That's all well and good for the actual team, but I feel that we're not really producing any really fast and/or consistent pace/seam bowlers in the county system who are ready to step up just yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 20:11:57 GMT
His record in the long format of the game of late is pretty uninspiring but Plunkett hits the deck hard and runs in all day long, we may have to take a chance on someone like him...... Like the top order batting, I think we've almost exhausted all the likely current candidates and are now left with what's almost a "make do" set up. It certainly doesn't bode well for the Ashes tour. I am becoming fairly disappointed with Trevor Bayliss's lack of improvement in the Test team performances and consistency, although he did come with a CV and reputation as a one day coach, but I don't feel that we're progressing that much at all lately. It's been rumoured that Ottis Gibson may well become the new SA head coach, and I've read reports that Curtley Ambrose may well be in line to replace him. That's all well and good for the actual team, but I feel that we're not really producing any really fast and/or consistent pace/seam bowlers in the county system who are ready to step up just yet. It's a real tough one, but if I had to pick a squad for Australia at the moment it would be something like this: Cook, Stoneman, Hales, Root, Malan, Stokes, Bairstow, Woakes, Moeen, Broad, Anderson, Hameed, Buttler, Rashid, Wood, J.Overton, Roland-Jones. It doesn't strike me as a squad who can win The Ashes in Australia but hope I'm wrong......
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Post by Cast no shadow on Aug 29, 2017 20:15:33 GMT
Shai hope first player ever to hit 2 100s in a test at headingley.
Extraordinary batting
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 20:19:19 GMT
Like the top order batting, I think we've almost exhausted all the likely current candidates and are now left with what's almost a "make do" set up. It certainly doesn't bode well for the Ashes tour. I am becoming fairly disappointed with Trevor Bayliss's lack of improvement in the Test team performances and consistency, although he did come with a CV and reputation as a one day coach, but I don't feel that we're progressing that much at all lately. It's been rumoured that Ottis Gibson may well become the new SA head coach, and I've read reports that Curtley Ambrose may well be in line to replace him. That's all well and good for the actual team, but I feel that we're not really producing any really fast and/or consistent pace/seam bowlers in the county system who are ready to step up just yet. It's a real tough one, but if I had to pick a squad for Australia at the moment it would be something like this: Cook, Stoneman, Hales, Root, Malan, Stokes, Bairstow, Woakes, Moeen, Broad, Anderson, Hameed, Buttler, Rashid, Wood, J.Overton, Roland-Jones. It doesn't strike me as a squad who can win The Ashes in Australia but hope I'm wrong...... I'd pick the same squad, with maybe Plunkett (yes, I know !) in for Overton solely due to his experience. I think it's just about the best of what's available right now even though I don't think it's exactly going to surprise anybody in Oz.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 29, 2017 20:37:08 GMT
We shouldn't have anything to fear going to Australia, I know we're still a very inconsistent and frustrating side but the Australian team is nothing to be fearful of.
Like England rely on Cook and Root to score the runs at the top of the order, they rely on Warner and Smith, the difference being they don't have the talent in the middle/lower order that we have.
Starc is already a doubt, and even if he does play I can't see him being at his best as he won't have played much cricket. Hazlewood will be a handful and Lyon is a quality spinner but after that they haven't got much. Pattinson, Cummings and Bird are all rapid but don't have great test records.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 29, 2017 20:40:10 GMT
Massive congratulations to the Windies for a superb victory.
Their batting today was immense.
Let's hope this is the start of better times for them.
Test cricket is a much better place with a strong West Indian side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 20:51:13 GMT
We shouldn't have anything to fear going to Australia, I know we're still a very inconsistent and frustrating side but the Australian team is nothing to be fearful of. Like England rely on Cook and Root to score the runs at the top of the order, they rely on Warner and Smith, the difference being they don't have the talent in the middle/lower order that we have. Starc is already a doubt, and even if he does play I can't see him being at his best as he won't have played much cricket. Hazlewood will be a handful and Lyon is a quality spinner but after that they haven't got much. Pattinson, Cummings and Bird are all rapid but don't have great test records. Their top order apart from Warner and Smith are definitely shaky as you say (as is ours currently take away Cook and Root), they edge it on the bowling front just because of the amount of genuine pace bowlers they have waiting in the wings. If I was a betting man I'd wager 3-1 Australia but there's still time to go so lets hope I'm way off with my prediction.....
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 29, 2017 21:01:54 GMT
We shouldn't have anything to fear going to Australia, I know we're still a very inconsistent and frustrating side but the Australian team is nothing to be fearful of. Like England rely on Cook and Root to score the runs at the top of the order, they rely on Warner and Smith, the difference being they don't have the talent in the middle/lower order that we have. Starc is already a doubt, and even if he does play I can't see him being at his best as he won't have played much cricket. Hazlewood will be a handful and Lyon is a quality spinner but after that they haven't got much. Pattinson, Cummings and Bird are all rapid but don't have great test records. Their top order apart from Warner and Smith are definitely shaky as you say (as is ours currently take away Cook and Root), they edge it on the bowling front just because of the amount of genuine pace bowlers they have waiting in the wings. If I was a betting man I'd wager 3-1 Australia but there's still time to go so lets hope I'm way off with my prediction..... I agree they edge it on the bowling front but I think our batting is quite a bit stronger than there's so should be a good contest. Hopefully Wood and Woakes can find their rhythm as they offer something a bit different to Anderson, Broad and Stokes. The South African team we just beat pretty comfortably made light work of the Aussies last winter so that's a good sign, although their bowlers probably suit the Australian conditions better than our own. I'd wager 3-2 England at the moment, although I'm sure I'll change my prediction when I see the touring squad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 21:03:53 GMT
Their top order apart from Warner and Smith are definitely shaky as you say (as is ours currently take away Cook and Root), they edge it on the bowling front just because of the amount of genuine pace bowlers they have waiting in the wings. If I was a betting man I'd wager 3-1 Australia but there's still time to go so lets hope I'm way off with my prediction..... I agree they edge it on the bowling front but I think our batting is quite a bit stronger than there's so should be a good contest. Hopefully Wood and Woakes can find their rhythm as they offer something a bit different to Anderson, Broad and Stokes. The South African team we just beat pretty comfortably made light work of the Aussies last winter so that's a good sign, although their bowlers probably suit the Australian conditions better than our own. I'd wager 3-2 England at the moment, although I'm sure I'll change my prediction when I see the touring squad. Stokes is key. His batting has been absolutely superb, technically he's improved no end. On the flip side his bowling seems to have gone backwards though although I'm hoping that's just because he's been carrying a few niggles, he bowls too many four balls though.....
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 29, 2017 21:10:46 GMT
I agree they edge it on the bowling front but I think our batting is quite a bit stronger than there's so should be a good contest. Hopefully Wood and Woakes can find their rhythm as they offer something a bit different to Anderson, Broad and Stokes. The South African team we just beat pretty comfortably made light work of the Aussies last winter so that's a good sign, although their bowlers probably suit the Australian conditions better than our own. I'd wager 3-2 England at the moment, although I'm sure I'll change my prediction when I see the touring squad. Stokes is key. His batting has been absolutely superb, technically he's improved no end. On the flip side his bowling seems to have gone backwards though although I'm hoping that's just because he's been carrying a few niggles, he bowls too many four balls though..... I posted earlier that he doesn't seem to have done much with the ball since the last Ashes series, he seems to have lost a yard of pace and the ability to reverse the old ball. He's also only one more demerit point away from a suspension, which seem to be handed out now just for swearing, so I'm sure we'll loose him for at least one match, as the Aussies will in his his ear right from the off.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 29, 2017 21:45:06 GMT
It’s good to see the windies do well.
Test cricket will die on its arse if it’s just left to the ashes to keep it going
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 30, 2017 6:00:07 GMT
I posted before this test about the apathy surrounding this series following the one sided first test and the low expectations for the touring side following years of torpitude in West Indies test cricket and that this was reflected in this thread on the Oatcake.
Well, we've all woken up.
And suddenly we have a test series that has become a thing of interest.
Yesterday was absolutely captivating. The entire test, while certainly not one of the best from a technical perspective - too much bad cricket on display from both sides particularly some appalling catching - was the most memorable test for years.
Roll on Lords.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 7:46:08 GMT
Bangladesh have finally beaten the Aussies, by 20 runs. Two great results for the good of Test Match cricket.....
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 3, 2017 12:42:39 GMT
Thought I'd plonk it in here rather than start a new thread. Freddie Flintoff singing Sweet Caroline at the T20 Final's day... Watch out for that speaker!
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 7, 2017 12:29:34 GMT
I'd meant, after posting praise for the Windies, to say a few words about England's familiar failings coming to the fore in the second test - top order batting failing, over dependency on Anderson and Broad in bowling and, something not raised very often, Cook's fallibility at 1st slip. He may have taken lots of catches, but he's been standing there a long time. He ain't the best slip fielder we have so he shouldn't be fielding there.
But I forgot to do it.
Anyway, the third test is underway and let's hope for another great, competitive 5 days.
Anderson has started well, two quick wickets takes him to 499. He'd be at 500 if Cook hadn't shelled one (see above!).
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 7, 2017 14:32:51 GMT
Windies 100-7 and will do well to make it to 150 the way the ball is moving around at the moment.
Stokes looking a lot better today, moving it both ways and causing all sorts of problems.
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Post by 3putts on Sept 7, 2017 16:12:12 GMT
Was going to put a bet on but 1/3 is shit value 123 all out think the bookies have it right. Stoneman gone already doesn't he fancy Xmas in the sun?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 18:23:52 GMT
Perfectly poised 123 all out and 46/4. 220 on this track would be superb......
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