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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 14, 2017 2:01:23 GMT
I thought better of Sean bean than this.
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Post by dexta on Aug 14, 2017 2:07:54 GMT
Over reaction like usual on the moancake...probably started by somebody pissing in a sink or throwing bread around in a pub
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 2:14:54 GMT
I didn't see a single kid get "attacked" in any of the vids online. It might be the case but right now it sounds like a load of old drama. Try reading the news reports then. I have; they're overhyped garbage. On the Sheff 24 forum they're even attacking each other for attacking the action of their own fans attacking other fans. Figure that out.... Sheff Utd fans very similar to us, it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 2:15:39 GMT
Over reaction like usual on the moancake...probably started by somebody pissing in a sink or throwing bread around in a pub But nobody smashed a pub up. 👍🏻
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Post by greyman on Aug 14, 2017 6:27:02 GMT
Try reading the news reports then. I have; they're overhyped garbage. On the Sheff 24 forum they're even attacking each other for attacking the action of their own fans attacking other fans. Figure that out.... Sheff Utd fans very similar to us, it seems. Yeah. My mistake. I should have known you'd know more than the police and the media reporting on it.
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Post by lordb on Aug 14, 2017 6:46:02 GMT
I just dunna get why people get all sniffy about this sort of thing. It happens in every high street in the country every weekend, just a fact of life, if it upsets you ignore it... Possibly to do with this Shanghai from the BBC website mate, `Children as young as 10 were injured after a brawl broke out between more than 200 football fans in a coach park.` Nothing new. Selfish hooligans do what they want... without caring that ten year old kids get caught up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 13:27:22 GMT
I have; they're overhyped garbage. On the Sheff 24 forum they're even attacking each other for attacking the action of their own fans attacking other fans. Figure that out.... Sheff Utd fans very similar to us, it seems. Yeah. My mistake. I should have known you'd know more than the police and the media reporting on it. Please provide images or video evidence of these horrendously injured, maimed "children".
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Aug 14, 2017 13:39:01 GMT
Anyone from Leek remember the two cup games with the rotund yellow gentlemen , the broken leg at game 1 and the garage forecourt and cobridge here before the replay in the words of Mary Hopkins those were the days my friend Was he jaundice? The Naughty Jaundiced or the jaundiced 40?.....
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Post by greyman on Aug 14, 2017 14:59:52 GMT
Yeah. My mistake. I should have known you'd know more than the police and the media reporting on it. Please provide images or video evidence of these horrendously injured, maimed "children". Please provide your evidence that the police, clubs and media are lying. Or maybe ignore me and contact the FA and League directly to tell them that nothing happened, whatever they may have been told, since you know better because of some thoughts you've just pulled out of your arse. Of course I could just post links to the dozens of reports confirming what happened, but I know somebody who won't admit he's just making stuff up when I see one. So I'll save my time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 15:12:38 GMT
Please provide images or video evidence of these horrendously injured, maimed "children". Please provide your evidence that the police, clubs and media are lying. Or maybe ignore me and contact the FA and League directly to tell them that nothing happened, whatever they may have been told, since you know better because of some thoughts you've just pulled out of your arse. Of course I could just post links to the dozens of reports confirming what happened, but I know somebody who won't admit he's just making stuff up when I see one. So I'll save my time. I'll simply suggest you go find the numerous first hand reports of Sheff U fans who said that nothing actually happened. They're also the ones asking for evidence.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 14, 2017 15:19:50 GMT
Please provide your evidence that the police, clubs and media are lying. Or maybe ignore me and contact the FA and League directly to tell them that nothing happened, whatever they may have been told, since you know better because of some thoughts you've just pulled out of your arse. Of course I could just post links to the dozens of reports confirming what happened, but I know somebody who won't admit he's just making stuff up when I see one. So I'll save my time. I'll simply suggest you go find the numerous first hand reports of Sheff U fans who said that nothing actually happened. They're also the ones asking for evidence. You have to admit, surely, that the Sheffield United fans who say nothing happened could possibly be ever so slightly biased, given that it is their fellow fans who are being accused. I saw plenty on BBC Look North last night to suggest that something certainly did happen. Six Blades fans were arrested on the night and the police seem confident that more arrests will follow. People are, of course, innocent until proven guilty - but it would be a bold person who would claim that "nothing actually happened" in view of the fact that children as young as ten WERE injured and a police officer needed medical attention.
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Post by greyman on Aug 14, 2017 15:21:46 GMT
Please provide your evidence that the police, clubs and media are lying. Or maybe ignore me and contact the FA and League directly to tell them that nothing happened, whatever they may have been told, since you know better because of some thoughts you've just pulled out of your arse. Of course I could just post links to the dozens of reports confirming what happened, but I know somebody who won't admit he's just making stuff up when I see one. So I'll save my time. I'll simply suggest you go find the numerous first hand reports of Sheff U fans who said that nothing actually happened. They're also the ones asking for evidence. Who to believe... The fans involved or the police, the clubs, FA, League and every single journalist who reported on the match? Tough one. For you. Like I said, I'm wasting my time. Nobody claimed any kids were 'maimed'. Just that they had been hurt. You can even see some parents with kids much younger than 10 on the couple of clips available. So, I'll go with the reports rather than the bullshit you're coming out with to justify whatever it is you're trying to justify.
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Post by boothenboys1863 on Aug 14, 2017 19:05:47 GMT
B B BBC!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 2:05:17 GMT
I'll simply suggest you go find the numerous first hand reports of Sheff U fans who said that nothing actually happened. They're also the ones asking for evidence. Who to believe... The fans involved or the police, the clubs, FA, League and every single journalist who reported on the match? Tough one. For you. Like I said, I'm wasting my time. Nobody claimed any kids were 'maimed'. Just that they had been hurt. You can even see some parents with kids much younger than 10 on the couple of clips available. So, I'll go with the reports rather than the bullshit you're coming out with to justify whatever it is you're trying to justify. Fair play. I was making the point that the media over dramatise everything. Headlines sell, and web clicks count. The coppers need a reason to continue with big policing projects. A few peeps get lifted to fill the headlines and get approval for 2018 policing budgets. A couple of scroats end up as fall guys. My point was clear - that not as much happened as the media implied. No pictures of maimed kids. Even the Sheff fans that were gave conflicting accounts. No more mileage in this.
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Post by greyman on Aug 15, 2017 6:24:38 GMT
Who to believe... The fans involved or the police, the clubs, FA, League and every single journalist who reported on the match? Tough one. For you. Like I said, I'm wasting my time. Nobody claimed any kids were 'maimed'. Just that they had been hurt. You can even see some parents with kids much younger than 10 on the couple of clips available. So, I'll go with the reports rather than the bullshit you're coming out with to justify whatever it is you're trying to justify. Fair play. I was making the point that the media over dramatise everything. Headlines sell, and web clicks count. The coppers need a reason to continue with big policing projects. A few peeps get lifted to fill the headlines and get approval for 2018 policing budgets. A couple of scroats end up as fall guys. My point was clear - that not as much happened as the media implied. No pictures of maimed kids. Even the Sheff fans that were gave conflicting accounts. No more mileage in this. Actually, there is now you've said that. Nobody has any pictures of maimed kids because the only person making that claim is you. Nor is it about the media hyping things. There are statements from the police, parents and the clubs about what happened which included Sheffield United fans throwing objects including bottles and stones at families in the car park on their way out. Even the Blades forum is not challenging the facts of this. It really is just you and one or two other idiots trying to justify and downplay it. I see you, oldstoke. I know what you're about. It's now at the point you'll just say anything other than admit you're wrong. Now you're even suggesting that the police are simply making it all up and falsely arresting people. You keep calling for some sort of 'evidence', yet the only person making anything up is you. Let me ask you one simple question. Which is more likely? That some tossers behaved like tossers at a football match. Or that there is a shadowy conspiracy of police, fans, clubs, FA and League making it all up?
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Post by dexta on Aug 15, 2017 8:02:56 GMT
Fair play. I was making the point that the media over dramatise everything. Headlines sell, and web clicks count. The coppers need a reason to continue with big policing projects. A few peeps get lifted to fill the headlines and get approval for 2018 policing budgets. A couple of scroats end up as fall guys. My point was clear - that not as much happened as the media implied. No pictures of maimed kids. Even the Sheff fans that were gave conflicting accounts. No more mileage in this. Actually, there is now you've said that. Nobody has any pictures of maimed kids because the only person making that claim is you. Nor is it about the media hyping things. There are statements from the police, parents and the clubs about what happened which included Sheffield United fans throwing objects including bottles and stones at families in the car park on their way out. Even the Blades forum is not challenging the facts of this. It really is just you and one or two other idiots trying to justify and downplay it. I see you, oldstoke. I know what you're about. It's now at the point you'll just say anything other than admit you're wrong. Now you're even suggesting that the police are simply making it all up and falsely arresting people. You keep calling for some sort of 'evidence', yet the only person making anything up is you. Let me ask you one simple question. Which is more likely? That some tossers behaved like tossers at a football match. Or that there is a shadowy conspiracy of police, fans, clubs, FA and League making it all up? just a over reaction by the media like usual some families might have been caught up in a bit of bouncing up and down....problem today with the modern football supporter is if any bit of mither occurs it justs get blown out of proportion...
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Post by greyman on Aug 15, 2017 8:08:27 GMT
Actually, there is now you've said that. Nobody has any pictures of maimed kids because the only person making that claim is you. Nor is it about the media hyping things. There are statements from the police, parents and the clubs about what happened which included Sheffield United fans throwing objects including bottles and stones at families in the car park on their way out. Even the Blades forum is not challenging the facts of this. It really is just you and one or two other idiots trying to justify and downplay it. I see you, oldstoke. I know what you're about. It's now at the point you'll just say anything other than admit you're wrong. Now you're even suggesting that the police are simply making it all up and falsely arresting people. You keep calling for some sort of 'evidence', yet the only person making anything up is you. Let me ask you one simple question. Which is more likely? That some tossers behaved like tossers at a football match. Or that there is a shadowy conspiracy of police, fans, clubs, FA and League making it all up? just a over reaction by the media like usual some families might have been caught up in a bit of bouncing up and down....problem today with the modern football supporter is if any bit of mither occurs it justs get blown out of proportion... Another one. And people say the Oatcake is getting thicker day by day.
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Post by dexta on Aug 15, 2017 8:11:14 GMT
just a over reaction by the media like usual some families might have been caught up in a bit of bouncing up and down....problem today with the modern football supporter is if any bit of mither occurs it justs get blown out of proportion... Another one. And people say the Oatcake is getting thicker day by day. you had better stop posting on here then treacle
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Post by northstaffycher on Aug 15, 2017 12:13:08 GMT
Something and nothing. Move along please, nothing to see here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:37:55 GMT
Fair play. I was making the point that the media over dramatise everything. Headlines sell, and web clicks count. The coppers need a reason to continue with big policing projects. A few peeps get lifted to fill the headlines and get approval for 2018 policing budgets. A couple of scroats end up as fall guys. My point was clear - that not as much happened as the media implied. No pictures of maimed kids. Even the Sheff fans that were gave conflicting accounts. No more mileage in this. Actually, there is now you've said that. Nobody has any pictures of maimed kids because the only person making that claim is you. Nor is it about the media hyping things. There are statements from the police, parents and the clubs about what happened which included Sheffield United fans throwing objects including bottles and stones at families in the car park on their way out. Even the Blades forum is not challenging the facts of this. It really is just you and one or two other idiots trying to justify and downplay it. I see you, oldstoke. I know what you're about. It's now at the point you'll just say anything other than admit you're wrong. Now you're even suggesting that the police are simply making it all up and falsely arresting people. You keep calling for some sort of 'evidence', yet the only person making anything up is you. Let me ask you one simple question. Which is more likely? That some tossers behaved like tossers at a football match. Or that there is a shadowy conspiracy of police, fans, clubs, FA and League making it all up? It's people like you who believed that Chelsea NF started the Heysel trouble, and that hooligans caused Hillsbrough. Gutless sheep that believe any old tripe served up by the media, police, and "official sources". Sheep.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Aug 15, 2017 16:39:17 GMT
I think there's a bit of a generation gap (perhaps), when it comes to the analysis of this trouble. My dad would happily pay for us to watch from the Boothen Paddock in the 1980s. There'd be trouble most weeks, darts from Coventry fans and fireworks from West Ham stay in the mind, there was even South Yorkshire flying pickets causing mither. Since hooliganism has largely been eradicated, any flare ups are alarming to people who didn't witness the chaos of the 70s and 80s. What looks like handbags to one person, is outrageous and frightening to someone else.
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Post by greyman on Aug 15, 2017 23:48:51 GMT
Actually, there is now you've said that. Nobody has any pictures of maimed kids because the only person making that claim is you. Nor is it about the media hyping things. There are statements from the police, parents and the clubs about what happened which included Sheffield United fans throwing objects including bottles and stones at families in the car park on their way out. Even the Blades forum is not challenging the facts of this. It really is just you and one or two other idiots trying to justify and downplay it. I see you, oldstoke. I know what you're about. It's now at the point you'll just say anything other than admit you're wrong. Now you're even suggesting that the police are simply making it all up and falsely arresting people. You keep calling for some sort of 'evidence', yet the only person making anything up is you. Let me ask you one simple question. Which is more likely? That some tossers behaved like tossers at a football match. Or that there is a shadowy conspiracy of police, fans, clubs, FA and League making it all up? It's people like you who believed that Chelsea NF started the Heysek trouble, and that hooligans caused Hillsbrough. Gutless sheep that believe any old tripe served up by the media, police, and "official sources". Sheep. I'll believe the parents along with all those sources. You are the sort who'll just keep arguing because they can't bear to be wrong. You've tried everything now. Lying, making stuff up, straw men. And still you're wrong. So now it gets personal. I'll leave it to others to work out what the 'Chelsea NF and Heysek' is all about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 23:54:12 GMT
It's people like you who believed that Chelsea NF started the Heysek trouble, and that hooligans caused Hillsbrough. Gutless sheep that believe any old tripe served up by the media, police, and "official sources". Sheep. I'll believe the parents along with all those sources. You are the sort who'll just keep arguing because they can't bear to be wrong. You've tried everything now. Lying, making stuff up, straw men. And still you're wrong. So now it gets personal. I'll leave it to others to work out what the 'Chelsea NF and Heysek' is all about. Lying? BS. You're a JCL sheep. A nu fan. I just read through your 2012 posts and you believed everything the Sun said about Hillsbrough and you greedily got spoon fed all the official accounts of the tragedy. People like you are traitors to true working class football fans. You JCL runt.
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Post by greyman on Aug 16, 2017 0:00:06 GMT
I'll believe the parents along with all those sources. You are the sort who'll just keep arguing because they can't bear to be wrong. You've tried everything now. Lying, making stuff up, straw men. And still you're wrong. So now it gets personal. I'll leave it to others to work out what the 'Chelsea NF and Heysek' is all about. Lying? BS. You're a JCL sheep. A nu fan. I just read through your 2012 posts and you believed everything the Sun said about Hillsbrough and you greedily got spoon fed all the official accounts of the tragedy. People like you are traitors to true working class football fans. You JCL runt. Arf. Nice try. Absolutely pathetic.
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 16, 2017 0:18:26 GMT
Lying? BS. You're a JCL sheep. A nu fan. I just read through your 2012 posts and you believed everything the Sun said about Hillsbrough and you greedily got spoon fed all the official accounts of the tragedy. People like you are traitors to true working class football fans. You JCL runt. Arf. Nice try. Absolutely pathetic. Oi stop falling out with OldStokie.
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Post by bristolpotter on Aug 16, 2017 5:45:32 GMT
Every time a club reels out the old added 'it was kids and old men you attacked' it equates to we got a bit of a slap after giving out verbals all game so we'll raise our trump card 'no lads hang about there just kids mate' yawn yawn, Boro like a host of other clubs like to give it out , nine times out of ten the wee scallywags get away with it and slap each others backs in Yates saying how ard we were. Of course there will be kids and families outside any football stadium but I've yet to see one on any of these videos attacked maimed or worse had a greasy chip butty thrown at them.
Fuck me this was the norm ten, twenty years ago, hundreds outside the away end, the Prem eats away at the soul of every club until there's nothing left akin to a day trip to the theatre chin chin old chap. Imagine Sheff Utd doing that at Boro 15 years ago, carnage, them , like us, have lost their gritty edge, never to come back.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Aug 16, 2017 6:22:41 GMT
One punch deaths are frighteningly common.
Any human being who throws a punch knowing there is a chance they could cause death (and every punch has that chance) should be locked up.
The only difference between a punch that causes death and one that doesn't is luck.
We're human beings, not chimps.
It's about time that the 'most intelligent species on the planet' evolved a bit, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 6:38:10 GMT
Being a football hooligan is all about belonging and proving ones masculine credentials
If you want a fight that bad join the army where you can REALLY see action and fight for a flag
If they just fought each other, sober then I'd be impressed, like a tag UFC but the problem is when they get going they have no morals or scruples and attack any bystander they perceive as not one of their's like sharks in a feeding frenzy out of control, deriving a false sense of power over others to deflect from their general sense of being entirely helpless
They are NOT football supporters, they use football as a means to an ends to satisfy their need to belong through polarised violence, us and them, and I for one do not see ANY heroic action to their behaviour 😬
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 16, 2017 6:44:21 GMT
Every time a club reels out the old added 'it was kids and old men you attacked' it equates to we got a bit of a slap after giving out verbals all game so we'll raise our trump card 'no lads hang about there just kids mate' yawn yawn, Boro like a host of other clubs like to give it out , nine times out of ten the wee scallywags get away with it and slap each others backs in Yates saying how ard we were. Of course there will be kids and families outside any football stadium but I've yet to see one on any of these videos attacked maimed or worse had a greasy chip butty thrown at them. Fuck me this was the norm ten, twenty years ago, hundreds outside the away end, the Prem eats away at the soul of every club until there's nothing left akin to a day trip to the theatre chin chin old chap. Imagine Sheff Utd doing that at Boro 15 years ago, carnage, them , like us, have lost their gritty edge, never to come back. If the 'soul' of a club is a bunch of troglodytes spoiling for a scrap then that's the most depressing thing I think I've heard all year.
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Post by greyman on Aug 16, 2017 7:15:46 GMT
Being a football hooligan is all about belonging and proving ones masculine credentials If you want a fight that bad join the army where you can REALLY see action and fight for a flag If they just fought each other, sober then I'd be impressed, like a tag UFC but the problem is when they get going they have no morals or scruples and attack any bystander they perceive as not one of their's like sharks in a feeding frenzy out of control, deriving a false sense of power over others to deflect from their general sense of being entirely helpless They are NOT football supporters, they use football as a means to an ends to satisfy their need to belong through polarised violence, us and them, and I for one do not see ANY heroic action to their behaviour 😬 Couldn't agree more. If these people want to meet up and beat the shit out of each other, I couldn't care less. Just leave everybody else out of it.
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