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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 12, 2017 20:59:04 GMT
If I was Peter Coates, I'd think 'well, I've shown faith in Mark Hughes based on his overall record so far and so, as always, he's getting X amount to spend in the August transfer window'. If the manager then decides that, actually, he wants to spend all of that money on a new striker to replace the £12m one he shouldn't have bought in the first place, well, that's his call. Nobody, not even someone largely supportive of Mark Hughes, could sit here and argue that he's got a brilliant record signing strikers because he hasn't. His record so far is pretty shite. However, if Coatesy wants Hughes as manager then he has to let him get on with using his budget as he sees fit and have faith that he'll spend it wisely. Would you let him have the unexpected Arnie windfall? Difficult to answer really, as I don't know what his original budget is that would be supplemented by the Arnie cash. I'd probably give him some of it yeah, because we could do with quite a few players!
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Post by Dave the Rave on Aug 12, 2017 20:59:36 GMT
No pace, no skill, no work rate, no flair, no vision, no creativity.
Just what exactly is Berahino?
All strikers need service, but 28 games with no goal is inexcusable.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 12, 2017 21:00:10 GMT
Oh indeed. But he'd have to play a back four to do that though and he seems fully intended on going with a back three. I mentioned it earlier in the thread mate, he's painted himself into a corner with his recruitment ... again. Shaq played centrally all match and created nothing. For me it was ridiculous that we finished the game as a 4-4-2 with diouf wide and Shaq in behind crouch. I'm not really understanding your point Dave, how do you think we SHOULD have finished?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 12, 2017 21:05:25 GMT
Shaq played centrally all match and created nothing. For me it was ridiculous that we finished the game as a 4-4-2 with diouf wide and Shaq in behind crouch. I'm not really understanding your point Dave, how do you think we SHOULD have finished? Diouf up front off crouch and Shaq wide obviously. Shaq played centrally all match and they crowded him out easily.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 12, 2017 21:10:50 GMT
I'm not really understanding your point Dave, how do you think we SHOULD have finished? Diouf up front off crouch and Shaq wide obviously. Shaq played centrally all match and they crowded him out easily. You're going to have to run me through your subs to have got Diouf up front mate. I've already said earlier in the thread that I think Diouf is the best striker at the club - Hughes clearly disagrees with me. Bojan played to the left of Berahino and Shaqiri played to the right of him but obviously not as wide as when we play 4-2-3-1.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 12, 2017 21:12:50 GMT
If I was Peter Coates, I'd think 'well, I've shown faith in Mark Hughes based on his overall record so far and so, as always, he's getting X amount to spend in the August transfer window'. If the manager then decides that, actually, he wants to spend all of that money on a new striker to replace the £12m one he shouldn't have bought in the first place, well, that's his call. Nobody, not even someone largely supportive of Mark Hughes, could sit here and argue that he's got a brilliant record signing strikers because he hasn't. His record so far is pretty shite. However, if Coatesy wants Hughes as manager then he has to let him get on with using his budget as he sees fit and have faith that he'll spend it wisely. Yeah I agree. If he does spend big on another striker though, then I think Coates will start sweating a bit. Absolutely...you can't be confident given his record so far, and if he carries on signing duffers then it'll catch up with him in terms of league finish/points totals (if it hasn't started to do so already.) It comes down to something I've said many times before- the success of a team is largely down to the manager understanding how his team are going to score goals and playing/signing players who fit that blueprint. What Hughes was thinking in going for Berahino I have no idea, but it epitomises his muddled approach to last season. To be honest, I'm not sure what sort of gameplan would get the best out of Berahino!
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 12, 2017 21:14:26 GMT
Will be interesting to see what the next formation is now we've got Indi. Saido might get a strike partner if we do go 5-3-2. 5-3-2 wouldn't get the best out of Shaq though, and he's the guy we need to build the team around. Where are you playing him? We can't score. We need two up top with the current forwards we've got. Unless we're bringing someone else in I can't see much much changing.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 12, 2017 21:15:05 GMT
I'm not really understanding your point Dave, how do you think we SHOULD have finished? Diouf up front off crouch and Shaq wide obviously. Shaq played centrally all match and they crowded him out easily. Mama is our best option up front he may not be the best striker in the league but he is still the best at the club, he gives his all and never hides causes defenders problems, on the other hand Berahino does very little gives us very little, Hughes has backed himself and the club well and truly into a corner buying Berahino.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 12, 2017 21:17:57 GMT
5-3-2 wouldn't get the best out of Shaq though, and he's the guy we need to build the team around. Where are you playing him? We can't score. We need two up top with the current forwards we've got. Unless we're bringing someone else in I can't see much much changing. The reason we can't score is because the centre forward is shite. I'd either play 4-2-3-1 with Shaq as No.10 or on the right.. or the 3-4-2-1 we lined up with today. Stick Crouch or Joselu as the main striker and we'll score.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 12, 2017 21:18:30 GMT
Diouf up front off crouch and Shaq wide obviously. Shaq played centrally all match and they crowded him out easily. You're going to have to run me through your subs to have got Diouf up front mate. I've already said earlier in the thread that I think Diouf is the best striker at the club - Hughes clearly disagrees with me. Bojan played to the left of Berahino and Shaqiri played to the right of him but obviously not as wide as when we play 4-2-3-1. For a bloke of your intelligence I'm surprised you are struggling. We finished the game 4-4-2 with crouch and Shaq up front, choupo left and diouf right. Surely, you'd switch diouf and Shaq when you've got crouch on the pitch and are striving for an equalizer? No subs were required...just a brain amongst the management trio
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 12, 2017 21:22:14 GMT
You're going to have to run me through your subs to have got Diouf up front mate. I've already said earlier in the thread that I think Diouf is the best striker at the club - Hughes clearly disagrees with me. Bojan played to the left of Berahino and Shaqiri played to the right of him but obviously not as wide as when we play 4-2-3-1. For a bloke of your intelligence I'm surprised you are struggling. We finished the game 4-4-2 with crouch and Shaq up front, choupo left and diouf right. Surely, you'd switch diouf and Shaq when you've got crouch on the pitch and are striving for an equalizer? No subs were required...just a brain. Jesus wept Dave ... no need to be so arsey, if you're in that sort of mood, I'll leave you to it chap.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 12, 2017 21:24:02 GMT
For a bloke of your intelligence I'm surprised you are struggling. We finished the game 4-4-2 with crouch and Shaq up front, choupo left and diouf right. Surely, you'd switch diouf and Shaq when you've got crouch on the pitch and are striving for an equalizer? No subs were required...just a brain. Jesus wept Dave ... no need to be so arsey, if you're in that sort of mood, I'll leave you to it chap. I meant a brain by the manager not you
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 12, 2017 21:27:30 GMT
Where are you playing him? We can't score. We need two up top with the current forwards we've got. Unless we're bringing someone else in I can't see much much changing. The reason we can't score is because the centre forward is shite. I'd either play 4-2-3-1 with Shaq as No.10 or on the right.. or the 3-4-2-1 we lined up with today. Stick Crouch or Joselu as the main striker and we'll score. No, he isn't shite. He's got no support. He's up top as a lone striker and we're not doing anything to help him. You want to build the team around a player by playing to his strengths. Is it not worth trying the same with Berahino?
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Post by Fredrikstad Norway on Aug 12, 2017 21:33:37 GMT
No pace, no skill, no work rate, no flair, no vision, no creativity. Just what exactly is Berahino? All strikers need service, but 28 games with no goal is inexcusable.[/quo I think that is a very good description of Berahino at least the last two years.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 12, 2017 21:38:32 GMT
The reason we can't score is because the centre forward is shite. I'd either play 4-2-3-1 with Shaq as No.10 or on the right.. or the 3-4-2-1 we lined up with today. Stick Crouch or Joselu as the main striker and we'll score. No, he isn't shite. He's got no support. He's up top as a lone striker and we're not doing anything to help him. You want to build the team around a player by playing to his strengths. Is it not worth trying the same with Berahino? A lone striker for me needs two qualities amongst others. The ability to hold up a ball and a footballing brain. Berahino can do neither. He's an 18 yard box striker. How many times does he touch the ball in the box? Very very few times. He needs a strike partner and I think Diouf would be ideal
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 12, 2017 21:38:43 GMT
The reason we can't score is because the centre forward is shite. I'd either play 4-2-3-1 with Shaq as No.10 or on the right.. or the 3-4-2-1 we lined up with today. Stick Crouch or Joselu as the main striker and we'll score. No, he isn't shite. He's got no support. He's up top as a lone striker and we're not doing anything to help him. You want to build the team around a player by playing to his strengths. Is it not worth trying the same with Berahino? How about we build the team around him and Imbula ?
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Post by mickmacc on Aug 12, 2017 21:44:58 GMT
The reason we can't score is because the centre forward is shite. I'd either play 4-2-3-1 with Shaq as No.10 or on the right.. or the 3-4-2-1 we lined up with today. Stick Crouch or Joselu as the main striker and we'll score. No, he isn't shite. He's got no support. He's up top as a lone striker and we're not doing anything to help him. You want to build the team around a player by playing to his strengths. Is it not worth trying the same with Berahino? No he is shite. Really shite with or without support .No pace no vision and he hides- he really does which is why he doesn't get through balls. Off Pieters cross today Defoe scores because of his anticipation. Berahino because he's brain dead doesn't. Simple old game
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2017 21:49:37 GMT
No pace, no skill, no work rate, no flair, no vision, no creativity. Just what exactly is Berahino? All strikers need service, but 28 games with no goal is inexcusable. A finisher, of those chances he isn't getting......... Also some of those games he played on the left.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 12, 2017 21:51:33 GMT
I am a very patient and loyal supporter. I was encouraged by the team's performance today which showed lots of promise IMO. But, I have to admit that even I am starting to lose patience with Saido. He just didn't look like ever scoring today.
There is the equally important issue of lack of creativity and paucity of shots on target. But I am now wondering how long does Mark Hughes persist with Berahino. Joselu has shown he has the knack of getting into scoring positions and putting the ball in the net. If Saido fails to score against Arsenal I think it is too much pressure on him to go back to the Hawthorns and be mocked, so Joselu deserves the given the chance to show us what he can do.
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Post by werrington on Aug 12, 2017 22:03:38 GMT
I am a very patient and loyal supporter. I was encouraged by the team's performance today which showed lots of promise IMO. But, I have to admit that even I am starting to lose patience with Saido. He just didn't look like ever scoring today. There is the equally important issue of lack of creativity and paucity of shots on target. But I am now wondering how long does Mark Hughes persist with Berahino. Joselu has shown he has the knack of getting into scoring positions and putting the ball in the net. If Saido fails to score against Arsenal I think it is too much pressure on him to go back to the Hawthorns and be mocked, so Joselu deserves the given the chance to show us what he can do. That's the point though mate .....Joselu won't play as a lone striker but he persists with Berahino doing just that He'll hang himself
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 12, 2017 22:06:10 GMT
I am a very patient and loyal supporter. I was encouraged by the team's performance today which showed lots of promise IMO. But, I have to admit that even I am starting to lose patience with Saido. He just didn't look like ever scoring today. There is the equally important issue of lack of creativity and paucity of shots on target. But I am now wondering how long does Mark Hughes persist with Berahino. Joselu has shown he has the knack of getting into scoring positions and putting the ball in the net. If Saido fails to score against Arsenal I think it is too much pressure on him to go back to the Hawthorns and be mocked, so Joselu deserves the given the chance to show us what he can do. That's the point though mate .....Joselu won't play as a lone striker but he persists with Berahino doing just that He'll hang himself Berahino and crouch as our frontline strikers will ultimately get him the sack...rightly so.
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Post by zelem on Aug 12, 2017 22:15:21 GMT
When will Hughes realise he's not a lone striker? I feel so sorry for him. Mate, u could have bloody pele up there!!! If your not creating, your never going to score !!!! Feel so, so, sorry for the guy x 😥
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Post by digger on Aug 12, 2017 22:19:01 GMT
I am a very patient and loyal supporter. I was encouraged by the team's performance today which showed lots of promise IMO. But, I have to admit that even I am starting to lose patience with Saido. He just didn't look like ever scoring today. There is the equally important issue of lack of creativity and paucity of shots on target. But I am now wondering how long does Mark Hughes persist with Berahino. Joselu has shown he has the knack of getting into scoring positions and putting the ball in the net. If Saido fails to score against Arsenal I think it is too much pressure on him to go back to the Hawthorns and be mocked, so Joselu deserves the given the chance to show us what he can do. That's the point though mate .....Joselu won't play as a lone striker but he persists with Berahino doing just that He'll hang himself
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 12, 2017 22:20:11 GMT
When will Hughes realise he's not a lone striker? I feel so sorry for him. Mate, u could have bloody pele up there!!! If your not creating, your never going to score !!!! Feel so, so, sorry for the guy x 😥 The guy isn't helping himself though. No runs, nothing to stretch the defenders. He's hiding
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 12, 2017 22:25:09 GMT
When will Hughes realise he's not a lone striker? I feel so sorry for him. Mate, u could have bloody pele up there!!! If your not creating, your never going to score !!!! Feel so, so, sorry for the guy x 😥 It is no fault of the player once again it is down to the man who signed him, yet again Hughes has fucked up signing the wrong player who will never suit his fucked up system, we all hated Pulis ball is this shit any better ?
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Post by kustokie on Aug 12, 2017 22:31:14 GMT
Yeah I agree. If he does spend big on another striker though, then I think Coates will start sweating a bit. Absolutely...you can't be confident given his record so far, and if he carries on signing duffers then it'll catch up with him in terms of league finish/points totals (if it hasn't started to do so already.) It comes down to something I've said many times before- the success of a team is largely down to the manager understanding how his team are going to score goals and playing/signing players who fit that blueprint. What Hughes was thinking in going for Berahino I have no idea, but it epitomises his muddled approach to last season. To be honest, I'm not sure what sort of gameplan would get the best out of Berahino! I am afraid this may be as good as it gets.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2017 22:33:35 GMT
Mate, u could have bloody pele up there!!! If your not creating, your never going to score !!!! Feel so, so, sorry for the guy x 😥 The guy isn't helping himself though. No runs, nothing to stretch the defenders. He's hiding It'll be the first game he hasn't made runs if thats the case.
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Post by stokesupporter on Aug 12, 2017 23:14:08 GMT
I'm afraid Berahino's best position is far away from Stoke.
Time to wake up, we need a new striker asap.
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Post by march4 on Aug 12, 2017 23:16:20 GMT
Yet another appalling signing by Hughes.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Aug 12, 2017 23:24:13 GMT
The biggest worry for me about him today wasn't that he didn't look like scoring. It was that he contributed absolutely nothing. He was a passenger. It was like we were playing with 10 men.
At least with a Joselu or a Crouch up front we would have some sort of physical presence who could have held the ball up and allowed Bojan and Shaqiri to get into some positions nearer the goal where they could have done some damage.
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