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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2017 11:32:09 GMT
Can't believe supporters screaming "take £10m". How the hell are we going to replace a consistent, home grown experienced Premier League CB for £10m in this market? It's just about 10 years to the day since Ryan arrived and I hope he'll be with us for another 3 or 4 seasons to come. I read on here only yesterday that Nedum Onuoha would be a very good signing and now people are happy for Ryan to go. I can only conclude that our fans are fucking mental and the club is fucking broken if there is a shred of a possibility of this happening and people being happy with it. It's quite staggering how compliant people seem.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 10, 2017 11:32:24 GMT
Seems there are some legs in this but the club need to get it right on the pitch with their strategy . If Ryan goes we won't have much left in terms of players who the fans have a great respect for so if results go badly things could turn nasty quite quickly
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 10, 2017 11:32:49 GMT
You could also come to the conclusion that the management are getting rid of the Pulis players🤔
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Post by Davef on Aug 10, 2017 11:33:14 GMT
Due to Ryan's recurrent back problems i wouldnt be too sad if Ryan leaves and we get Gibson Ryan played virtually every game last season and has played most of this pre-season. He was back to his very best in Germany last week.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 10, 2017 11:34:37 GMT
On that basis, could Ryan's advisors be suggesting that he fulfils his current contract until the end of this season or whenever, then negotiates a new contract with Stoke City. What's the incentive for him to change before he has to? Well, he shouldn't really need anybody advising him to do that should he? You would hope that there are some conversations going on behind the scenes though. I can follow the logic here but Ryan must already be earning way beyond Burnley's budget for salaries so would face a major pay cut unless his signing on fee was ridiculous
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Post by Davef on Aug 10, 2017 11:38:47 GMT
Well, he shouldn't really need anybody advising him to do that should he? You would hope that there are some conversations going on behind the scenes though. I can follow the logic here but Ryan must already be earning way beyond Burnley's budget for salaries so would face a major pay cut unless his signing on fee was ridiculous Well there's that, or the terms could be that his Stoke wages are matched in the first year of his contract and then reduced for the remainder of it? I don't really want to think about it though!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 10, 2017 11:45:11 GMT
I can follow the logic here but Ryan must already be earning way beyond Burnley's budget for salaries so would face a major pay cut unless his signing on fee was ridiculous Well there's that, or the terms could be that his Stoke wages are matched in the first year of his contract and then reduced for the remainder of it? I don't really want to think about it though! Nothing to stop us extending his contract with a wage match for a year or to, even up to a specific top level, say £100k p/w. Above that he gets the cap, after the year is up he stays on what he's reached. Easy this contract lark!
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 10, 2017 11:46:17 GMT
In uncertain times we need the stability Shawcy provides.
On another note it's staggering some of us want him to go.
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 10, 2017 11:51:48 GMT
IF we HAVE offered him an improved terms contract and yet he hasn't signed, then we should back the club. As it could be construed that he is potentially happy to run his contract down.
IF we HAVEN'T offered an improved contract. Then it COULD be a shitty way of getting rid of a player that has been a fundamental part of our journey to where we are now.
It COULD also be that there exists significant disquiet, unrest, annoyance, politics, scheming behind the scenes...or a power struggle or a shit bit of player and contract care.
No fucker knows but people need to calm the fuck down, dry their knickers and stop being so bastard negative about our club.
Personally, I didn't like Ryan's reaction to his goal last season. Whether it was a petulant reaction to a VERY SMALL minority of pricks that have given him dogs abuse or not. He did it to the lot of us. As club captain that was bad in my eyes and I just must have missed his public explanation to his public reaction. So, in the end you could posit maybe he isn't happy...but maybe he is.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 10, 2017 11:53:49 GMT
"Onouha would be a shrewd signing" "Ryan's shit, let him go"
Fuck me in the arse with a prickly bramble, what a load of steaming vaginal discharge.
What goes through the minds of some of our fans? I'm not saying it's the same people saying both things, but both opinions are utterly moronic fucking dogshite. Disgraceful.
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Post by theteacher on Aug 10, 2017 12:12:45 GMT
I can follow the logic here but Ryan must already be earning way beyond Burnley's budget for salaries so would face a major pay cut unless his signing on fee was ridiculous Well there's that, or the terms could be that his Stoke wages are matched in the first year of his contract and then reduced for the remainder of it? I don't really want to think about it though! It is a game of poker at this stage. Ryan has a contract and we want him to sign a new contract. He wants the best deal possible (could be an extension of what he currently has) and the Club may want to reduce or remove some terms within the current contract. Who knows what is really going on but it not beyond the wit-of- man for one or other party to leak a rumour (in fact it could be reality but that we have received a bid from Burnley) to the press to get the other party back to the negotiation table. Do agree it is unlikely that Burnley would match Ryan's current contract but who knows what we are indicating would be available in the new contract - could be a reduction in salary or even a shorter length contract than Ryan would like? The truth is we as fans do not have all of the facts to make an informed judgment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 12:16:12 GMT
Well there's that, or the terms could be that his Stoke wages are matched in the first year of his contract and then reduced for the remainder of it? I don't really want to think about it though! It is a game of poker at this stage. Ryan has a contract and we want him to sign a new contract. He wants the best deal possible (could be an extension of what he currently has) and the Club may want to reduce or remove some terms within the current contract. Who knows what is really going on but it not beyond the wit-of- man for one or other party to leak a rumour (in fact it could be reality but that we have received a bid from Burnley) to the press to get the other party back to the negotiation table. Do agree it is unlikely that Burnley would match Ryan's current contract but who knows what we are indicating would be available in the new contract - could be a reduction in salary or even a shorter length contract than Ryan would like? The truth is we as fans do not have all of the facts to make an informed judgment. Correct, what we do know is that if Ryan was 'that' highly thought of, and his Contract demands were considered reasonable/realistic by the Club, we'd have had this tied up ages ago. Something tells me that we don't think he's worth, what Ryan thinks he's worth.
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Post by StoneSCFC on Aug 10, 2017 12:21:27 GMT
I watched Ryan (both Center Halfs to be honest) struggle last season. On a lot of occasions it was because they were being pulled out of position wide to cover the left and right backs arses. This in turn was because Arnie and Shaq couldn't be arsed to track and tackle back.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 10, 2017 12:33:37 GMT
Shawcross is poor as the wide right of a back three as he is not comfortable being pulled out to the flank - between Bruno and Kurt he will be still do a very solid job. After losing Whelan and Walters, we surely need to keep Ryan.
Anyone who is happy for him to go this summer just hasn't been paying attention these past 10 years.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 10, 2017 12:43:19 GMT
Terms of the current contract and any future contract could be an issue. If Ryan has a clause in his contract saying he will be paid the same as the highest paid player at the Club - an increased salary if we signed another player on a higher fee - then this could be a stumbling block for the Club. I am not saying there is such a clause in Ryan's contract but it is reported. If Ryan was our best player (he has been - was but now?) then such a clause is understandable. The Club may be unhappy with such a clause if we are looking to recruit a higher level of player and this could be the stumbling block with a new contract? Just a though but like us all we do not know the actual detail. I don't think you're a million miles away here and it's good to see we have somebody in this thread thinking rationally about the Shawcross situation. I love Ryan to bits and if those are the terms of his current contract I have absolutely no problem with it. The problem is it can't go on forever and as you say it could be a stumbling block to attracting certain players to the club. It's difficult to see how we are going to tie down Ryan to a contract extension if the terms of his current contract make him the highest paid player at the club whoever we sign. It's certainly not in his interests is it? If he's going to stay at the club then it makes perfect sense to think that he'll sign a new contract at the end of the next transfer window when no further incoming players force the club to match or improve Ryan's wages. And while we've been offering every Tom, Dick and Harry a contract over the last few years, this is the only sane explanation while Ryan Shawcross's situation is currently up in the air. Even then, though, surely they would at least have opened discussions? All of the quotes so far suggest that they haven't even done that.
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Post by Mendicant on Aug 10, 2017 12:52:26 GMT
On principle alone, this is a player we should pay to keep, regardless of his fitness and any excessive demands. For the way he has played for us, for sticking by the club when his England career never got going and through the endless mud-slinging from Arsenal and the media (just as the club stuck by him), for his leadership and good character we should offer him a deal he can't refuse. We don't see what happens behind the scenes, but I suspect the example he sets to the rest of the club would be worth the extra few grand.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 10, 2017 12:57:24 GMT
On principle alone, this is a player we should pay to keep, regardless of his fitness and any excessive demands. For the way he has played for us, for sticking by the club when his England career never got going and through the endless mud-slinging from Arsenal and the media (just as the club stuck by him), for his leadership and good character we should offer him a deal he can't refuse. We don't see what happens behind the scenes, but I suspect the example he sets to the rest of the club would be worth the extra few grand. Agreed - like standing by Rory, Wilko, Ireland etc., there are some things which a decent club like ours should do. Keeping Ryan at the club for as long as we can is one of those things. You reward the type of commitment and loyalty he has shown us these past 10 years. He is our Gerrard, Adams, Terry. He has earned a bit of special treatment.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 10, 2017 13:12:16 GMT
IF we HAVE offered him an improved terms contract and yet he hasn't signed, then we should back the club. As it could be construed that he is potentially happy to run his contract down. IF we HAVEN'T offered an improved contract. Then it COULD be a shitty way of getting rid of a player that has been a fundamental part of our journey to where we are now. It COULD also be that there exists significant disquiet, unrest, annoyance, politics, scheming behind the scenes...or a power struggle or a shit bit of player and contract care. No fucker knows but people need to calm the fuck down, dry their knickers and stop being so bastard negative about our club. Personally, I didn't like Ryan's reaction to his goal last season. Whether it was a petulant reaction to a VERY SMALL minority of pricks that have given him dogs abuse or not. He did it to the lot of us. As club captain that was bad in my eyes and I just must have missed his public explanation to his public reaction. So, in the end you could posit maybe he isn't happy...but maybe he is. He's at the tail end of his career and the club needs to plan for the future. Offering him an improvement on his existing terms makes very little sense. They should have a succession plan that involves developing a replacement CB as well as a captain. That doesn't necessarily selling him to another club now and looking around for someone to replace him. But developing a transition plan for they next 1-2 years is just good business.
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Post by alster on Aug 10, 2017 13:12:39 GMT
On principle alone, this is a player we should pay to keep, regardless of his fitness and any excessive demands. For the way he has played for us, for sticking by the club when his England career never got going and through the endless mud-slinging from Arsenal and the media (just as the club stuck by him), for his leadership and good character we should offer him a deal he can't refuse. We don't see what happens behind the scenes, but I suspect the example he sets to the rest of the club would be worth the extra few grand. No problem with him getting a new deal but no way am I buying into all that sentimental bollox.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 10, 2017 13:13:56 GMT
IF we HAVE offered him an improved terms contract and yet he hasn't signed, then we should back the club. As it could be construed that he is potentially happy to run his contract down. IF we HAVEN'T offered an improved contract. Then it COULD be a shitty way of getting rid of a player that has been a fundamental part of our journey to where we are now. It COULD also be that there exists significant disquiet, unrest, annoyance, politics, scheming behind the scenes...or a power struggle or a shit bit of player and contract care. No fucker knows but people need to calm the fuck down, dry their knickers and stop being so bastard negative about our club. Personally, I didn't like Ryan's reaction to his goal last season. Whether it was a petulant reaction to a VERY SMALL minority of pricks that have given him dogs abuse or not. He did it to the lot of us. As club captain that was bad in my eyes and I just must have missed his public explanation to his public reaction. So, in the end you could posit maybe he isn't happy...but maybe he is. He's at the tail end of his career and the club needs to plan for the future. Offering him an improvement on his existing terms makes very little sense. They should have a succession plan that involves developing a replacement CB as well as a captain. That doesn't necessarily selling him to another club now and looking around for someone to replace him. But developing a transition plan for they next 1-2 years is just good business. Isn't that what Sweeney and Souttar were signed for?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 10, 2017 13:16:15 GMT
I watched Ryan (both Center Halfs to be honest) struggle last season. On a lot of occasions it was because they were being pulled out of position wide to cover the left and right backs arses. This in turn was because Arnie and Shaq couldn't be arsed to track and tackle back. I think this is a key point teams defend as a unit and sometimes 4 or 5 of ours went missing last season . Hard to look good when that goes on
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Post by Veritas on Aug 10, 2017 13:18:55 GMT
Shawcross is poor as the wide right of a back three as he is not comfortable being pulled out to the flank - between Bruno and Kurt he will be still do a very solid job. After losing Whelan and Walters, we surely need to keep Ryan. Anyone who is happy for him to go this summer just hasn't been paying attention these past 10 years. I fully agree, I am sure a move to three at the back with shawcross as the middle man will extend his shelf life something I for one will be very happy to see
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Post by march4 on Aug 10, 2017 13:19:44 GMT
If Ryan leaves, perhaps we can sign Alan Suddick and give Brian Bithell a few games. Is John Tudor still available? Bloody hell March - we really have had some shite playing for this football club mate? I actually went to John Tudor's debut - scored a brace if I remember rightly? Talk about flattering to deceive! Indeed he did. Was it home vs Ipswich? I think he got one more in umpteen games.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 10, 2017 13:19:55 GMT
He's at the tail end of his career and the club needs to plan for the future. Offering him an improvement on his existing terms makes very little sense. They should have a succession plan that involves developing a replacement CB as well as a captain. That doesn't necessarily selling him to another club now and looking around for someone to replace him. But developing a transition plan for they next 1-2 years is just good business. Isn't that what Sweeney and Souttar were signed for? CB: yes. Captain: don't think so.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 10, 2017 13:26:36 GMT
Isn't that what Sweeney and Souttar were signed for? CB: yes. Captain: don't think so. Captain - that develops over time as the squad does. Fletcher right now is a clear option, although only for a year or two, but others will come in who have the right stature and respect of team mates I am sure.
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Post by march4 on Aug 10, 2017 13:31:17 GMT
If I was in the trenches (God please it never happens) there are not many professional footballers I would want in there with me.
However, I would be proud and reassured to be with Ryan just I would be with Whelan and SJW.
A football club needs that sort of character around the place to succeed.
We have lost two of our 100%ers. We cannot afford to lose the third.
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 10, 2017 13:33:38 GMT
TP gets the importance of Team Spirit and the DNA of a player better than most managers. He made Ryan captain and in that there is more than enough to suggest that whatever it is that makes someone a leader, he has it. No way would TP have simply awarded it to anyone and thrown the captaincy around willynilly
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 10, 2017 13:35:12 GMT
Selling a 29-year-old central defender with shit loads of experience, who has been the captain for years, and was our best player in our last friendly a week before the season starts would really be a wise decision! NOT!
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 10, 2017 13:40:34 GMT
They wont sell Ryan, LMH would be a complete loon to do so
It wont happen
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Post by nott1 on Aug 10, 2017 14:22:01 GMT
Not sure if this already posted but sl&p say Burnley are being encouraged to put a £10m bid in for Ryan.
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