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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 9, 2017 9:08:07 GMT
Only at Stoke Bit of a history for this, when Bojan was being photographed he was continually sprinkled on from a tree. Mr Mackey's first restraining order soon followed What bollocks that was as well, not my fault it was windy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2017 9:13:16 GMT
Shouldn't 30m be the bare minimum? We should spend whatever we get in. And maybe we won't be able to get that done this summer but it should be the case over 2 windows. I think we will truth be told. Just like BMI was always going to sign, us spending a half decent amount was always going to happen. It was just a case of how much. I hope an Imbula sale will boost that close to 45m. We've got a lot of scope to change the side, I just hope we take it as we certainly need it. We do have scope to change the side and change is very much needed. The whole place has needed freshening up for some time. The key, however, is that this time, we absolutely have to get it right. Pulis spent a fortune after the cup final on a host of players, the vast majority of which were hopeless and actually sent us backwards. He paid for it with his job. Hughes tried to go through a similar process, perhaps a little slower, but in the summer that Joselu arrived, didn't we have something like 9 new arrivals. Given the fact that the likes of Joselu, Bojan, Imbula, Muniesa, Wolschied et al are all likely to leave and others have been chronically under utilised (Diouf for example), it is absolutely imperative that this time, the reshaping has to be right. We can't go on another spending spree and get it wrong. Clubs like us, have to get it right or we end up hamstrung for years. Our initial business, save for losing Arnie, has been good I think. That has to continue and Mr Shaqiri needs to stay fit, play more games than he misses and show everyone he is the player we thought he would be much more consistently. Do that, and we'll have a very good season. I'm still unsure how we'll do but the business has been ok. I think not getting Bruno in for pre-season was poor but that's it. The Arnie thing is just one of those things that can happen sadly. Fletcher for Whelan is good. Moting will be ok but I still think we need more to replace Arnie. We're in a decent place to transform the side and as you say, he simply has to get it right.
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 9, 2017 9:16:42 GMT
Bit of a history for this, when Bojan was being photographed he was continually sprinkled on from a tree. Mr Mackey's first restraining order soon followed What bollocks that was as well, not my fault it was windy. Yeah and it's a nightmare aim when you've got a stiffy
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Post by duckling on Aug 9, 2017 9:28:28 GMT
Sorry if this has been asked and answered. If a permanent deal can't be arranged, can he return on loan?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 9:54:13 GMT
Fucking Love Bruno
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 9, 2017 9:55:57 GMT
Let's just hope the fucker doesn't mail his fedical.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 9, 2017 9:56:19 GMT
Sly bastard. Get in there.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 9, 2017 9:57:26 GMT
Shouldn't 30m be the bare minimum? We should spend whatever we get in. And maybe we won't be able to get that done this summer but it should be the case over 2 windows. I think we will truth be told. Just like BMI was always going to sign, us spending a half decent amount was always going to happen. It was just a case of how much. I hope an Imbula sale will boost that close to 45m. We've got a lot of scope to change the side, I just hope we take it as we certainly need it. We do have scope to change the side and change is very much needed. The whole place has needed freshening up for some time. The key, however, is that this time, we absolutely have to get it right. Pulis spent a fortune after the cup final on a host of players, the vast majority of which were hopeless and actually sent us backwards. He paid for it with his job. Hughes tried to go through a similar process, perhaps a little slower, but in the summer that Joselu arrived, didn't we have something like 9 new arrivals. Given the fact that the likes of Joselu, Bojan, Imbula, Muniesa, Wolschied et al are all likely to leave and others have been chronically under utilised (Diouf for example), it is absolutely imperative that this time, the reshaping has to be right. We can't go on another spending spree and get it wrong. Clubs like us, have to get it right or we end up hamstrung for years. Our initial business, save for losing Arnie, has been good I think. That has to continue and Mr Shaqiri needs to stay fit, play more games than he misses and show everyone he is the player we thought he would be much more consistently. Do that, and we'll have a very good season. Agree 100%. Hughes has been a bit hit and miss on transfers but Bruno, Erik (who I think is a decent defender despite the stick he gets), Fletcher, Shaq, Diouf, Allen, Grant, Afellay give us a good core when added to Shawcross, Butland, Cameron, Zouma. I also think Johnson/Bardsley, Bojan, Muniesa, Wolly, Ireland were decent deals with short term benefits. Annie obviously paid off in spades but Imbula and Berahino are currently in negative territory and Joselu remains an enigma. His loans have been patchy. He is starting to unpick the Pulis legacy of Whelan, Walters, Crouch, Adam and this is the key season as you rightly say. If we compare Lilley starting XIs, last year our average team was something like Grant Johnson/Bardsley Shawcross BMI Pieter's Allen Whelan Adam/Cameron Shaq/Diouf Walters/Crouch/Bony Arnie Currently we look like Butland Zouma Shawcross BMI Diouf Allen Fletcher Pieters Shaq Berahino MCM I would say Butland, , Zouma, Fletcher and Diouf effectively make us 4 players better than last year and Shaq is another half, if we have lost a bit with Annie (to be seen), we still look much stronger on average. I would be tempted to play Cameron instead of Allen or even instead of Berahino and play Diouf up front but I doubt this will happen. A left wing back, another midfielder and another option up front and we would be in great shape.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 9, 2017 10:26:35 GMT
We do have scope to change the side and change is very much needed. The whole place has needed freshening up for some time. The key, however, is that this time, we absolutely have to get it right. Pulis spent a fortune after the cup final on a host of players, the vast majority of which were hopeless and actually sent us backwards. He paid for it with his job. Hughes tried to go through a similar process, perhaps a little slower, but in the summer that Joselu arrived, didn't we have something like 9 new arrivals. Given the fact that the likes of Joselu, Bojan, Imbula, Muniesa, Wolschied et al are all likely to leave and others have been chronically under utilised (Diouf for example), it is absolutely imperative that this time, the reshaping has to be right. We can't go on another spending spree and get it wrong. Clubs like us, have to get it right or we end up hamstrung for years. Our initial business, save for losing Arnie, has been good I think. That has to continue and Mr Shaqiri needs to stay fit, play more games than he misses and show everyone he is the player we thought he would be much more consistently. Do that, and we'll have a very good season. Agree 100%. Hughes has been a bit hit and miss on transfers but Bruno, Erik (who I think is a decent defender despite the stick he gets), Fletcher, Shaq, Diouf, Allen, Grant, Afellay give us a good core when added to Shawcross, Butland, Cameron, Zouma. I also think Johnson/Bardsley, Bojan, Muniesa, Wolly, Ireland were decent deals with short term benefits. Annie obviously paid off in spades but Imbula and Berahino are currently in negative territory and Joselu remains an enigma. His loans have been patchy. He is starting to unpick the Pulis legacy of Whelan, Walters, Crouch, Adam and this is the key season as you rightly say. If we compare Lilley starting XIs, last year our average team was something like Grant Johnson/Bardsley Shawcross BMI Pieter's Allen Whelan Adam/Cameron Shaq/Diouf Walters/Crouch/Bony Arnie Currently we look like Butland Zouma Shawcross BMI Diouf Allen Fletcher Pieters Shaq Berahino MCM I would say Butland, , Zouma, Fletcher and Diouf effectively make us 4 players better than last year and Shaq is another half, if we have lost a bit with Annie (to be seen), we still look much stronger on average. I would be tempted to play Cameron instead of Allen or even instead of Berahino and play Diouf up front but I doubt this will happen. A left wing back, another midfielder and another option up front and we would be in great shape. All fair points of course, many of which I agree with. Pulis brought in a huge number of players post the cup final (13 was it) and spent huge sums on transfer fees and wages in doing so. We went backwards and when Hughes arrived, I don't think he had the room to move in terms of spending money on transfer fees and wages that inevitably match. After a few years, with old contracts re-drawn and certain players leaving, we perhaps had a little more wiggle room and we spent big again. Like Pulis before him, his big money buys haven't been particularly successful. Imbula, Allen, Berahino, Joselu and Shaqiri have all been failures in reality, though Allen, Berahino and Shaqiri can still reverse that somewhat. Equally, the big money contract extension to Bojan didn't work out either and in essence was pretty pointless. Clubs like us can't afford to make too many mistakes when spending big money on fees and wages and under both Pulis and Hughes we have consistently got those big money situations wrong. That simply can't continue. If we spend 10m+ on a player, he has to be a good buy. We've had 2 lots of mistakes under both Pulis and Hughes and we just cannot afford to get it wrong again. I'm pleased with our business to date, apart from losing Arnie of course, but that apparent good progress has to continue. It is a huge season coming up for us. We were on an upward curve and that trend has reversed having come to a shuddering halt after our League Cup Semi Final defeat. Keeping key players fit, picking a consistent starting 11 and getting into something of a groove in terms of style of play and general performances will go a long way to determining our fete this season. I consistently fluctuate to thinking we are close to being a good side to thinking we are miles away. Undoubtedly we've got some good players. They need to show us how good they are and the manager needs to keep the belief he seemingly once had in both them and himself and keep consistency in approach and personnel. Goals, remain a concern, but again, I'm pretty sure switching Diouf from RWB to CF would change that should Berahino's struggles continue.
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 9, 2017 10:30:17 GMT
So I guess Bruno will be nowhere near Porto's match squad for tonight's game against Estoril...hopefully
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 9, 2017 10:34:34 GMT
What positivity versus ly that is two free transfers , a reserve left back from hull and a bloke on Liam recovering from injury, 5 out including our major attaching threat l, a good chunk of our spirit and physicality and some very useful goals . Positively catastrophic judgement so far . Time for change benji lad to an aging squad son. You are talking bullshit. Yes we have missed out on a couple of targets to ofher clubs but our business so far imo out of the teams around us has been shrewd as fuck, not spent much and added quality but to hold out for Bruno like we did was a master stroke and he wanted the move. A steal of a signing. I bet you £50 we will break our transfer record this summer window AND spend at least £30M. We have plenty of irons in the fire and don't forget, we signed Shaq AFTER the season had started. Plenty of players waiting to see where they stand at the top 6 clubs and they willl want a move soon. We have three weeks to add to the squad and at the end if you are still moaning you can go and support one of the big four as you are clearly money driven son. Get behind the team you bloody winging tart. Every word of that response is absolutely cock on!
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 9, 2017 10:46:42 GMT
He misses his bacon and cheese oatcakes that's why
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Post by burge2u on Aug 9, 2017 10:53:44 GMT
Let's just hope the fucker doesn't mail his fedical. I'm sure that everything will be OK Benji.
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Post by gogogadget on Aug 9, 2017 11:02:17 GMT
Song for Bruno He said no he said no Martin's Indi He said no to the palace scum He said no he said no Martin's Indi Cuz he doesn't like cockney Cunts
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 9, 2017 11:05:18 GMT
Song for Bruno He said no he said no Martin's Indi He said no to the palace scum He said no he said no Martin's Indi Cuz he doesn't like cockney Cunts or No No No No No No to crystal palace Bruno No No No No No to crystal palace (to no limits)
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Post by tqstokie on Aug 9, 2017 11:36:42 GMT
Or no no no no no yes. smiley
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Post by cpfwizard on Aug 9, 2017 11:59:42 GMT
Is Bruno at Clayton Wood yet?
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 9, 2017 12:02:11 GMT
Still waiting on a confirmation from the club!
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Post by Northy on Aug 9, 2017 12:08:23 GMT
Or no no no no no yes. smiley
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Post by lordb on Aug 9, 2017 12:12:02 GMT
Time for change benji lad to an aging squad son. You are talking bullshit. Yes we have missed out on a couple of targets to ofher clubs but our business so far imo out of the teams around us has been shrewd as fuck, not spent much and added quality but to hold out for Bruno like we did was a master stroke and he wanted the move. A steal of a signing. I bet you £50 we will break our transfer record this summer window AND spend at least £30M. We have plenty of irons in the fire and don't forget, we signed Shaq AFTER the season had started. Plenty of players waiting to see where they stand at the top 6 clubs and they willl want a move soon. We have three weeks to add to the squad and at the end if you are still moaning you can go and support one of the big four as you are clearly money driven son. Get behind the team you bloody winging tart. Shouldn't 30m be the bare minimum? We should spend whatever we get in. And maybe we won't be able to get that done this summer but it should be the case over 2 windows. I think we will truth be told. Just like BMI was always going to sign, us spending a half decent amount was always going to happen. It was just a case of how much. I hope an Imbula sale will boost that close to 45m. We've got a lot of scope to change the side, I just hope we take it as we certainly need it. signing players better than what we have is the minimum don't care if we spend £30m or 30p to achieve that
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 9, 2017 12:30:37 GMT
Any sightings yet?
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Post by holdmedelilah on Aug 9, 2017 12:46:27 GMT
What positivity versus ly that is two free transfers , a reserve left back from hull and a bloke on Liam recovering from injury, 5 out including our major attaching threat l, a good chunk of our spirit and physicality and some very useful goals . Positively catastrophic judgement so far . Time for change benji lad to an aging squad son. You are talking bullshit. Yes we have missed out on a couple of targets to ofher clubs but our business so far imo out of the teams around us has been shrewd as fuck, not spent much and added quality but to hold out for Bruno like we did was a master stroke and he wanted the move. A steal of a signing. I bet you £50 we will break our transfer record this summer window AND spend at least £30M. We have plenty of irons in the fire and don't forget, we signed Shaq AFTER the season had started. Plenty of players waiting to see where they stand at the top 6 clubs and they willl want a move soon. We have three weeks to add to the squad and at the end if you are still moaning you can go and support one of the big four as you are clearly money driven son. Get behind the team you bloody winging tart. Get in!
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Post by nott1 on Aug 9, 2017 13:15:58 GMT
Song for Bruno He said no he said no Martin's Indi He said no to the palace scum He said no he said no Martin's Indi Cuz he doesn't like cockney Cunts Palace are miles from Cockney country!
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 9, 2017 13:17:43 GMT
Song for Bruno He said no he said no Martin's Indi He said no to the palace scum He said no he said no Martin's Indi Cuz he doesn't like cockney Cunts Palace are miles from Cockney country! Change it to Croydon - sorted.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 9, 2017 13:20:23 GMT
I know it's only early afternoon but I fucking hope Dorsett isn't having us all on again
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2017 13:25:51 GMT
Shouldn't 30m be the bare minimum? We should spend whatever we get in. And maybe we won't be able to get that done this summer but it should be the case over 2 windows. I think we will truth be told. Just like BMI was always going to sign, us spending a half decent amount was always going to happen. It was just a case of how much. I hope an Imbula sale will boost that close to 45m. We've got a lot of scope to change the side, I just hope we take it as we certainly need it. signing players better than what we have is the minimum don't care if we spend £30m or 30p to achieve that History suggests that if you're not investing you're going backwards. We have to spend.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 9, 2017 13:37:22 GMT
signing players better than what we have is the minimum don't care if we spend £30m or 30p to achieve that History suggests that if you're not investing you're going backwards. We have to spend. History suggests that if you are not investing well you go backwards even faster e.g Leeds, Coventry, Leicester in their last incarnation etc etc I agree with you that signing better players is the key however the obsession on this board with net spend is totally missing the point.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2017 13:51:26 GMT
History suggests that if you're not investing you're going backwards. We have to spend. History suggests that if you are not investing well you go backwards even faster e.g Leeds, Coventry, Leicester in their last incarnation etc etc I agree with you that signing better players is the key however the obsession on this board with net spend is totally missing the point. They didn't spend within their means. We'd be spending well within our means. I haven't mentioned net spend. I've mentioned reinvesting what we've got in.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 9, 2017 14:29:11 GMT
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Post by Northy on Aug 9, 2017 14:31:48 GMT
History suggests that if you're not investing you're going backwards. We have to spend. History suggests that if you are not investing well you go backwards even faster e.g Leeds, Coventry, Leicester in their last incarnation etc etc I agree with you that signing better players is the key however the obsession on this board with net spend is totally missing the point. Leeds invested too well didn't they, gambled and broke the bank and the failed
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