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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jul 11, 2017 22:24:47 GMT
Me too but how many times has shit like this been glossed over? We shouldn't be sloppy. We shouldn't accept sloppy. I don't get how a business as clinically run as bet365 does accept it. Bruno is worth it but it should never have come to this and he should have been signed 2 months ago at the latest. Why? He's missed a week of pre season and one friendly. He'll be absolutely fucked without doing the full pre-season, we won't see the best of him until 2018/19 when he's got a full one under his belt. Anyone banging on about it being too much money - read the price, it says it could rise to. That could mean if we make Europe or he gets 50 international caps. It would be very interesting to get an indication of initial fee.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2017 22:25:16 GMT
Should of been signed before they came back for season. Shit Stoke. It's late/I'm tired. Is that a piss take? It is buddy but in reality we really should have. Anyway it appears to be done now so good news we're adding a good player to the squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 22:25:44 GMT
Why? He's missed a week of pre season and one friendly. Because if you have a clause in a deal it should be legally binding and shouldn't need negotiating. How is that even remotely acceptable? Do I live in a parallel universe where paying 5m than you thought you were going to is ok? And where having a clause in a deal that you thought was binding actually wasn't? How are either of those things ok? Alls well that ends well but it shouldn't happen. So many questions. None of which you have the answers to as you haven't seen the aforementioned clause, nor do you know whether it was or wasn't legally binding. Nor have you been privy to any conversations between the two parties. So stop tying yourself in knots over it for fucks sake you're like a broken bastard record......
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 11, 2017 22:26:24 GMT
I'm very pleased we're doing the deal, even at this price. But Porto have done very well to get £13.5m for a player with 12 months left on his deal that they don't really want. Some clubs just have the knack! Is £13.5m in today's money that much more than £8m was two years ago Arguably £8m in 2015 is £15/£16m this summer? It would have been a steal for him - but we all thought we'd successfully pulled off the robbery with the 'option' last summer only to find it was bungled!
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Post by lordb on Jul 11, 2017 22:26:47 GMT
Why? He's missed a week of pre season and one friendly. Because if you have a clause in a deal it should be legally binding and shouldn't need negotiating. How is that even remotely acceptable? Do I live in a parallel universe where paying 5m than you thought you were going to is ok? And where having a clause in a deal that you thought was binding actually wasn't? How are either of those things ok? Alls well that ends well but it shouldn't happen. I agree there has been a fuck up in that whatever clause was there either wasn't binding or wasn't there at all but signing now makes no difference to signing him in May. I still think he's a bargain. Having fucked up there was no need to cut our nose to spite our face, we've paid more but still below the market rate.
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Post by lordb on Jul 11, 2017 22:28:27 GMT
Bruno zouma schurrle all rumoured today. Shurrle? Really? Yes please
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 11, 2017 22:29:27 GMT
I think if zouma signs it's good bye Shawcross or hello back 3? I don't think there's any point playing a back three if you haven't got any wing backs to compliment them and we haven't. I quite like the idea of Zouma playing in front of Ryan and Bruno as a proper DCM next to Fletcher with a number 10 in front of them in a 4-2-3-1. Fuck knows where that would leave Allen though.
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 11, 2017 22:29:35 GMT
Bruno zouma schurrle all rumoured today. Shurrle? Really? Yes please Generalfaye...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 22:29:38 GMT
Bruno zouma schurrle all rumoured today. Schurrle? Really? Yes please It was a GeneralFaye wind up.
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Post by lordb on Jul 11, 2017 22:30:14 GMT
Schurrle? Really? Yes please It was a GeneralFaye wind up. Àaahggghhhh!!! FFS😶
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 11, 2017 22:30:19 GMT
Bruno zouma schurrle all rumoured today. Shurrle? Really? Yes please Guess who started the Schurrle rumour?..
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 11, 2017 22:30:49 GMT
Bruno zouma schurrle all rumoured today. Oh dear, Victoria. You seem to have fell for the ol' GeneralFaye rumour
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 11, 2017 22:32:13 GMT
Tbf, I did post that before Lordb told me off for being a naughty boy, he must've missed it.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 11, 2017 22:32:14 GMT
I don't think there's any point playing a back three if you haven't got any wing backs to compliment them and we haven't. I quite like the idea of Zouma playing in front of Ryan and Bruno as a proper DCM next to Fletcher with a number 10 in front of them in a 4-2-3-1. Fuck knows where that would leave Allen though. On the bench or preferably on his way to another club!
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Post by lordb on Jul 11, 2017 22:33:57 GMT
Tbf, I did post that before Lordb told me off for being a naughty boy, he must've missed it. Fucking karma this is. Hard to tell what's transfer thread version of Culverhouse and what's real...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 22:36:30 GMT
Why? He's missed a week of pre season and one friendly. He'll be absolutely fucked without doing the full pre-season, we won't see the best of him until 2018/19 when he's got a full one under his belt. Anyone banging on about it being too much money - read the price, it says it could rise to. That could mean if we make Europe or he gets 50 international caps. It would be very interesting to get an indication of initial fee. NEEDS GAMES E E D S G A M E S
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jul 11, 2017 22:36:30 GMT
Over the moon.
In my world the contract is structured so that we've paid what we gentlemanly agreed originally and the 'rising' bit is tied into sell-on fees which may {or not} go to Porto, various legal and elastic covenants that basically mean 'fuck you Snapperchompers'.
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Post by miltonstokienew on Jul 11, 2017 22:38:49 GMT
Edited Because if you have a clause in a deal it should be legally binding and shouldn't need negotiating. How is that even remotely acceptable? Do I live in a parallel universe where paying 5m than you thought you were going to is ok? And where having a clause in a deal that you thought was binding actually wasn't? How are either of those things ok? Alls well that ends well but it shouldn't happen. So many questions. None of which you have the answers to as you haven't seen the aforementioned clause, nor do you know whether it was or wasn't legally binding. Nor have you been privy to any conversations between the two parties. So stop tying yourself in knots over it for fucks sake you're like a broken bastard bellend...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 11, 2017 22:38:56 GMT
If it was in a clause and the fee was set then it shouldn't even come into it. It was a fuck up. Who cares? It isn't your money. Just celebrate the fact that we've paid money for a player and are seemingly not on the breadline when it comes to transfer fees. We should care. I don't get that attitude either. Yeah because we've got 25m imminent from Arnie! 😂
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 11, 2017 22:39:17 GMT
I've been thinking this may be his last season for a little while now, he didn't look too steady at all last season, I know he was coming back but still. Maybe Hughes is looking at a totally fresh looking back 4 Signing the two right backs up for another season goes against that though, but he could be, I wouldn't be against it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 11, 2017 22:41:07 GMT
Because if you have a clause in a deal it should be legally binding and shouldn't need negotiating. How is that even remotely acceptable? Do I live in a parallel universe where paying 5m than you thought you were going to is ok? And where having a clause in a deal that you thought was binding actually wasn't? How are either of those things ok? Alls well that ends well but it shouldn't happen. I agree there has been a fuck up in that whatever clause was there either wasn't binding or wasn't there at all but signing now makes no difference to signing him in May. I still think he's a bargain. Having fucked up there was no need to cut our nose to spite our face, we've paid more but still below the market rate. No there wasn't but the patting of the back of the bloke that fucked the initial deal up is way too much. And I don't think the fee should be celebrated except as a highlight for his incompetence. My issue here isn't with the quality of Bruno. It's the stupidity of the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 22:41:44 GMT
Is £13.5m in today's money that much more than £8m was two years ago Arguably £8m in 2015 is £15/£16m this summer? It would have been a steal for him - but we all thought we'd successfully pulled off the robbery with the 'option' last summer only to find it was bungled! On the face of it, it looks like a bungle. I don't suppose we'll find out the truth until it's too late for any of us to give a toss. I was just responding to your comment that Porto had done well to get that much for a player in his last year of contract - given that we've had so many posters unhappy with the miserly fees we got for N'Zonzi and Bego two years ago. With transfer inflation being what it is, there seems little difference to me.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 11, 2017 22:42:34 GMT
I agree there has been a fuck up in that whatever clause was there either wasn't binding or wasn't there at all but signing now makes no difference to signing him in May. I still think he's a bargain. Having fucked up there was no need to cut our nose to spite our face, we've paid more but still below the market rate. No there wasn't but the patting of the back of the bloke that fucked the initial deal up is way too much. And I don't think the fee should be celebrated except as a highlight for his incompetence. My issue here isn't with the quality of Bruno. It's the stupidity of the club. Who fucked it up? There's more than one person involved and we don't have a clue who's to blame.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 11, 2017 22:44:32 GMT
I don't think there's any point playing a back three if you haven't got any wing backs to compliment them and we haven't. I quite like the idea of Zouma playing in front of Ryan and Bruno as a proper DCM next to Fletcher with a number 10 in front of them in a 4-2-3-1. Fuck knows where that would leave Allen though. Said the same thing re Zouma Paul. It's the only way I'd like that deal tbh. I wouldn't want him replacing Shawcross as I don't think he's as good of a defender. He'd be ideal partnering Ryan but I think Zouma and Indi would get messy. I wouldn't want him in a back 3 for the reasons you say. As DM in front of them pair? Yes please! But only if it's got a clause to buy in.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 11, 2017 22:44:43 GMT
Arguably £8m in 2015 is £15/£16m this summer? It would have been a steal for him - but we all thought we'd successfully pulled off the robbery with the 'option' last summer only to find it was bungled! On the face of it, it looks like a bungle. I don't suppose we'll find out the truth until it's too late for any of us to give a toss. I was just responding to your comment that Porto had done well to get that much for a player in his last year of contract - given that we've had so many posters unhappy with the miserly fees we got for N'Zonzi and Bego two years ago. With transfer inflation being what it is, there seems little difference to me. Yeah, take your point. It'll take some time to really get used to seeing £13m for what it is in this market.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 11, 2017 22:45:20 GMT
No there wasn't but the patting of the back of the bloke that fucked the initial deal up is way too much. And I don't think the fee should be celebrated except as a highlight for his incompetence. My issue here isn't with the quality of Bruno. It's the stupidity of the club. Who fucked it up? There's more than one person involved and we don't have a clue who's to blame. You'd hope the CEO has the final say when it comes to signing off multi million pound deals......
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 11, 2017 22:46:00 GMT
It's not quite the sea but Mr Indi has got 2nd prize by returning to the beautiful potteries, enjoy the canals and views duck
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Post by samba :) on Jul 11, 2017 22:51:53 GMT
It's not quite the sea but Mr Indi has got 2nd prize by returning to the beautiful potteries, enjoy the canals and views duck literally left of the canal duck!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 11, 2017 22:54:50 GMT
The dong has been released and its throbbing I "Liked" this...because it made me laugh 😂 Not because I'm imagining it!!!! 😶
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jul 11, 2017 22:56:46 GMT
Who cares? It isn't your money. Just celebrate the fact that we've paid money for a player and are seemingly not on the breadline when it comes to transfer fees. We should care. I don't get that attitude either. Yeah because we've got 25m imminent from Arnie! 😂 You told me Bruno was worth 14m the other day, and Stoke should stop pissing around and pay up...Now Bruno's signing, you'll still moaning about some nonexistent clause....🙄
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