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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 18:27:34 GMT
If it was a straight choice between Bruno and Zouma, who would people prefer?
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Post by primmerz on Jul 14, 2017 18:28:36 GMT
If he ends up elsewhere then there needs to be a reason of some sort explained to the fans. No good saying 'we didn't manage to push the deal through the door', no shit cunt stain, tinpot Palace have managed to. If he decides to go Palace over us then fair play, can't force him to sign for us, no issue with that at all, but if it's our fault of some sort then I feel we deserve to know about the reason given that we had an apparent option to buy in the loan deal less than a year ago. I don't want everything explaining to us, why should they? They shouldn't, but if this is not finalised and its our fault then it's a massive ball up. I'd be fuming if I was Bruno. he's bought a house and everything up here then we piss about over some pennies. Makes it seem like we don't want him.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 14, 2017 18:28:59 GMT
If it was a straight choice between Bruno and Zouma, who would people prefer? Zouma everyday of the week for me. He can do everything Bruno can but he's quick also, something I think Ryan desperately needs alongside him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 18:29:58 GMT
If it was a straight choice between Bruno and Zouma, who would people prefer? Zouma everyday of the week for me. He can do everything Bruno can but he's quick also, something I think Ryan desperately needs alongside him. Same here.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 14, 2017 18:30:50 GMT
If it was a straight choice between Bruno and Zouma, who would people prefer? Zouma is considered by Chelsea fans their best centre back with Luiz. He got injured and that's why he's coming to us to recover and try to get into the world cup squad. Zouma is way better than any defenders that we have.
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Post by eriksson74 on Jul 14, 2017 18:33:42 GMT
If it was a straight choice between Bruno and Zouma, who would people prefer? Zouma everyday of the week for me. He can do everything Bruno can but he's quick also, something I think Ryan desperately needs alongside him. Absolute no brainer for Zouma
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 18:34:44 GMT
As you say 'apparently'. So you don't really know. Exactly the point I was making. As a lawyer, if you've not read the contracts, how can you jump to a conclusion? I'm not acting as a lawyer here. I'm not on this message board in my professional capacity. It wouldn't be much fun for me. But the times Journo is nearly always on the ball. The club talked about an option agreement constantly. The cat seems to be out of the bag. It seems we did not take up the option. It is possible that was because the player did not agree terms and the option is obviously subject to that. It is possible porto did not honour that agreement which leaves us with the possibility of claiming damages from them. Even so, the fact we find ourselves in a bidding war now is highly incompetent on our part.
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Post by simple on Jul 14, 2017 18:39:16 GMT
If he ends up elsewhere then there needs to be a reason of some sort explained to the fans. No good saying 'we didn't manage to push the deal through the door', no shit cunt stain, tinpot Palace have managed to. If he decides to go Palace over us then fair play, can't force him to sign for us, no issue with that at all, but if it's our fault of some sort then I feel we deserve to know about the reason given that we had an apparent option to buy in the loan deal less than a year ago. I don't want everything explaining to us, why should they? They shouldn't, but if this is not finalised and its our fault then it's a massive ball up. I'd be fuming if I was Bruno. he's bought a house and everything up here then we piss about over some pennies. Makes it seem like we don't want him. At the end of the day it's the player who signs where he goes,not Stoke or anyone else before w gave him a chance in the Prem no other team wanted him.We put him in the spotlight and now it's up to him.He did not buy a house he rented one,his family never came over.If you were his misses were would you shop Hope street or Regent street.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 18:40:29 GMT
How do we know Bruno has bought a house up here?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 14, 2017 18:42:26 GMT
Zouma is better than BMI but we need two CBs, and the way our fucking circus have barrel-rolled and prat-fallen around this deal is embarrassing.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 14, 2017 18:43:58 GMT
So Stoke - we want to shop at Harrods, but are only prepared to pay Lidl prices! Let me know when we're shopping at Harrods, so far the only player that could be such is Zouma.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 14, 2017 18:45:20 GMT
If it was a straight choice between Bruno and Zouma, who would people prefer? Zouma even if it is just a season.
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 14, 2017 18:46:56 GMT
I'm not acting as a lawyer here. I'm not on this message board in my professional capacity. It wouldn't be much fun for me. But the times Journo is nearly always on the ball. The club talked about an option agreement constantly. The cat seems to be out of the bag. It seems we did not take up the option. It is possible that was because the player did not agree terms and the option is obviously subject to that. It is possible porto did not honour that agreement which leaves us with the possibility of claiming damages from them. Even so, the fact we find ourselves in a bidding war now is highly incompetent on our part. Oatcake 101 - never ever ever let on anything about your personal life and never ever ever reveal your profession.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 14, 2017 18:49:58 GMT
With Scholes doing the negotiations, you just know Zouma will end up signing for someone else.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 14, 2017 19:04:24 GMT
I wouldn't trust Scholes to negotiate beer into a glass.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 19:05:49 GMT
Oatcake 101 - never ever ever let on anything about your personal life and never ever ever reveal your profession. It's all common sense in the end. If the players demands were unrealistic and that was the reason we did not use the option, then we would have walked away altogether. If porto have shifted the goalposts and are breaching the agreement, then either walk away if they are being totally out of order and asking too much, or again, if we want the player then compromise. In the end, we find ourselves bidding against palace and raising the price and no doubt bruno's wage demands, just a couple of weeks after the option deadline. It doesn't take a law degree to see that we fucked that one up!
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jul 14, 2017 19:07:48 GMT
I wouldn't trust Scholes to negotiate beer into a glass. That reminds me..........
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Post by themistocles on Jul 14, 2017 19:08:18 GMT
Expect stoke to release news to sky that we've agreed a deal or Delph is having a medical just to deflect the incompetence of the transfer team regarding indi and Arni.
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Post by houstonsteve on Jul 14, 2017 19:09:06 GMT
Can we make a cheeky bid for Portos' transfer team ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 19:13:57 GMT
Oatcake 101 - never ever ever let on anything about your personal life and never ever ever reveal your profession. Some people are lucky enough to do what they love for a living. I wank off turkeys.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 19:15:05 GMT
Some people are lucky enough to do what they love for a living. I wank off turkeys. Aha so that's how chigstokie does it...
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Post by silverdollar on Jul 14, 2017 19:17:23 GMT
If it was a straight choice between Bruno and Zouma, who would people prefer? Zouma everyday of the week for me. He can do everything Bruno can but he's quick also, something I think Ryan desperately needs alongside him. I seriously think that you are missing the point here. Hughes is wanting to change the whole of the back line and it may well be that Zooma and Indi were his first choice for this season. Shawcross has served us well but now we need better!
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Post by entropy92 on Jul 14, 2017 19:17:37 GMT
If it was a straight choice between Bruno and Zouma, who would people prefer? Zouma even if it is just a season. Not for me id prefer BMI even tho Zouma is the better player. Centre halfs need to be a good partnership, dont see the point in getting Zouma on loan if its choice between the 2 it just unsettles things at back now and then again the season after.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jul 14, 2017 19:18:15 GMT
I reckon this is one of them things that use my toys toys out of the pram with and end up quitting. I wonder if the hierarchy at the club can see what absolute shambles we are off to pitch or completely oblivious to it. The whole thing reach have absolutely incompetence I didn't realise benjiness was contagious Changed for you mate
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Post by primmerz on Jul 14, 2017 19:21:32 GMT
I'd be fuming if I was Bruno. he's bought a house and everything up here then we piss about over some pennies. Makes it seem like we don't want him. At the end of the day it's the player who signs where he goes,not Stoke or anyone else before w gave him a chance in the Prem no other team wanted him.We put him in the spotlight and now it's up to him.He did not buy a house he rented one,his family never came over.If you were his misses were would you shop Hope street or Regent street. He has a house in Cheshire, he bought it at the end of the season as he was told he be signed. He agreed terms and just waited for Stoke to sort the fee. Some other club would have picked him up last year if we didn't, we'ved fucked it and now have to make Porto an offer they can't refuse.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 14, 2017 19:23:36 GMT
A class defender on a permanent deal meaning we are set for the future.
Or a class defender on a loan meaning we're in the same position next year.
It's an easy choice and you go for the long term option.
We shouldn't even be in this situation.
It's a monumental fuck up from Scholes and Carrwright to let it even get to this.
There's no justification for it, Zouma was never part of a grand master plan and if they get away with this then God help us.
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2017 19:27:55 GMT
A class defender on a permanent deal meaning we are set for the future. Or a class defender on a loan meaning we're in the same position next year. It's an easy choice and you go for the long term option. We shouldn't even be in this situation. It's a monumental fuck up from Scholes and Carrwright to let it even get to this. There's no justification for it, Zouma was never part of a grand master plan and if they get away with this then God help us. What do you mean by get away with it?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 14, 2017 19:31:00 GMT
Zouma everyday of the week for me. He can do everything Bruno can but he's quick also, something I think Ryan desperately needs alongside him. I seriously think that you are missing the point here. Hughes is wanting to change the whole of the back line and it may well be that Zooma and Indi were his first choice for this season. Shawcross has served us well but now we need better! Where's the evidence we're after 'whole new back line' ? Re-signing the RB's and bigging up Erik Pieters are clear signs we're not. Where are the comments saying we want rid of Ryan as well? your "theory" might be correct but that's all it is right now.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 14, 2017 19:53:29 GMT
Seems people are seeing random shit on twitter and taking it as fact. I'd suggest they just wait 10 seconds to see if FM/crouchpotato posts it on here, they're normally first to the real stories.
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Post by Northy on Jul 14, 2017 19:58:00 GMT
At the end of the day it's the player who signs where he goes,not Stoke or anyone else before w gave him a chance in the Prem no other team wanted him.We put him in the spotlight and now it's up to him.He did not buy a house he rented one,his family never came over.If you were his misses were would you shop Hope street or Regent street. He has a house in Cheshire, he bought it at the end of the season as he was told he be signed. He agreed terms and just waited for Stoke to sort the fee. Some other club would have picked him up last year if we didn't, we'ved fucked it and now have to make Porto an offer they can't refuse. where's hos house in Cheshire he bought, who knows this as a fact?
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