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Post by biglad180 on Jul 16, 2017 10:01:23 GMT
arnie can fuck off but coates should make is brother pay by waving any fee he is due or put more money on is fee,
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Post by robboleek on Jul 16, 2017 10:02:10 GMT
Just seen on twitter that West Ham news (no idea how reliable) reckon the required £22.5 million has been conjured up..... can only see if being a matter of time now.......
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Post by gonk on Jul 16, 2017 10:02:40 GMT
Why do we pay agent fees he's asked for the transfer we aren't forcing sale so fuck off is my reply. The shit paid pogbas agent so the sham can pay arnies twatwipe of a brother I thought the same.The only thing if the mail have got the agents fees mixed up with the sell on fee, I thought that was 20% and not 10 %.. Also says this. Zouma is a £12million target from Chelsea and Stoke are also confident that centre-half Bruno Martins Indi wants to join them on a permanent basis despite interest from Crystal Palace. Thought we where just looking for a loan.
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Post by Han Solo on Jul 16, 2017 10:03:00 GMT
Yarmalenkos stock does appear to have gone down. IMO we need a big name if Arni does go and for me he'd fit the bill can play all along the line too.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 16, 2017 10:03:08 GMT
This is simple to me now. If a club meet OUR valuation of Arnie, and it suits us, he goes, if not, well too bad, he stays here and does what he is contracted to do, play football! I think a lot of fans are angry with him right now (including me) and if he does stay, he will know he has to win us back, and there is only one way to do that... On the pitch. We can of course force him to stay , I'm sure the club will take into account the situation we found ourselves in with nzonzi . £20 odd million now or next to nothing in a couple o seasons . It's all a question of diminishing returns . We have a ready made replacement. I'm sure the club will cut him loose
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Post by Davef on Jul 16, 2017 10:03:43 GMT
This is simple to me now.  If a club meet OUR valuation of Arnie, and it suits us, he goes, if not, well too bad, he stays here and does what he is contracted to do, play football! I think a lot of fans are angry with him right now (including me) and if he does stay, he will know he has to win us back, and there is only one way to do that... On the pitch. There's only one club in town though isn't there, and does anyone really see West Ham going to at least £25M? Arnie, or more pertinently, Arnie's brother hasn't thought this through very well.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 16, 2017 10:06:19 GMT
I can seriously see a £20m bid plus a player thrown in ...snodgrass/Carrol I'd take snodgrass in a heart beat And I'd rather gouge my own eyeballs out with a teaspoon than see Robert Snodgrass play for Stoke.
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Post by Gods on Jul 16, 2017 10:09:07 GMT
Surely it will be the buying club's responsibility to pay the agents fees? I thought that too but everyone keeps repeating it. I think the point maybe that perhaps a fee of say £22.5m somehow includes the agents fee and therefore we do nor receive the whole? If its not that then I'm lost.
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Post by gonk on Jul 16, 2017 10:10:21 GMT
This is simple to me now. Â If a club meet OUR valuation of Arnie, and it suits us, he goes, if not, well too bad, he stays here and does what he is contracted to do, play football! I think a lot of fans are angry with him right now (including me) and if he does stay, he will know he has to win us back, and there is only one way to do that... On the pitch.[/quote Think it has now gone past that now.As you know it was 50/50 for the fans moaning about his effort, now any lack of effort the fans will be straight on his back.Best thing for all of us is to get rid and give him shit when he comes back.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 16, 2017 10:10:22 GMT
This is simple to me now. Â If a club meet OUR valuation of Arnie, and it suits us, he goes, if not, well too bad, he stays here and does what he is contracted to do, play football! I think a lot of fans are angry with him right now (including me) and if he does stay, he will know he has to win us back, and there is only one way to do that... On the pitch. There's no way back for Arnautovic with 99% of the fanbase now, with good reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 10:11:37 GMT
I put then number £35m on him over a week ago
in this crazy market - if you benchmark him properly -that is his worth
anything less
and we sell him on the cheap
-but we seem happy to do that -- dont we ?
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 16, 2017 10:14:39 GMT
just lets get as much as we can and let him fuck off. 25 million at least on today stupid fees
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jul 16, 2017 10:16:16 GMT
Surely it will be the buying club's responsibility to pay the agents fees? I thought that too but everyone keeps repeating it. I think the point maybe that perhaps a fee of say £22.5m somehow includes the agents fee and therefore we do nor receive the whole? If its not that then I'm lost. You and me both gods (ie lost). No doubt every deal is different in one way or another but the only circumstances in which I can imagine the selling club paying a fee to the agent would be when the selling club wants to get rid. Therefore we might pay the agent to help get rid of Imbula (not that I'm advocating this) but I can't see any reason to do that in Arnie's case.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 16, 2017 10:16:20 GMT
I put then number £35m on him over a week ago in this crazy market - if you benchmark him properly -that is his worth anything less and we sell him on the cheap -but we seem happy to do that -- dont we  ? Not a chance.
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Post by silverdollar on Jul 16, 2017 10:16:27 GMT
Is our future in the Premier League more secure with Arnautovic at the club or are we more secure by getting a good transfer fee and reinvesting. This is the major question that is raised in this thread. I do believe that this present situation is one created by Arnautovic's greedy and not so intelligent brother and so am not as critical of Arni as some people. Arni is definitely not getting good advice at present. My opinion is that Arni should be most definitely sold regardless of some the sublime skills he has shown. He is not the finished player in the Premier League. A fee of £25m is realistically achievable for Arni and this extra cash is spent wisely then it can guarantee our present status. After watching the match against Monaco it is very clear that we have some excellent young players who can easily take Arni's place and perhaps even improve the team. It is essential that our defence is changed completely and acquiring Zouma and Indi would be a major coup. Edwards and Tymon show great promise but perhaps require one season on the fringes. Johnson, Shawcross and Pieters are not good enough primarily based upon there lack of pace. Sell Arnautovic!
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 16, 2017 10:16:29 GMT
This is simple to me now. Â If a club meet OUR valuation of Arnie, and it suits us, he goes, if not, well too bad, he stays here and does what he is contracted to do, play football! I think a lot of fans are angry with him right now (including me) and if he does stay, he will know he has to win us back, and there is only one way to do that... On the pitch. There's no way back for Arnautovic with 99% of the fanbase now, with good reason. How we view arnie before the request and after it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 10:16:41 GMT
This is simple to me now. Â If a club meet OUR valuation of Arnie, and it suits us, he goes, if not, well too bad, he stays here and does what he is contracted to do, play football! I think a lot of fans are angry with him right now (including me) and if he does stay, he will know he has to win us back, and there is only one way to do that... On the pitch. There's no way back for Arnautovic with 99% of the fanbase now, with good reason. I must be the 1% because as of yet he's done nothing and is still a Stoke player. Until he's gone he's still our guy.
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 16, 2017 10:18:13 GMT
This is simple to me now. If a club meet OUR valuation of Arnie, and it suits us, he goes, if not, well too bad, he stays here and does what he is contracted to do, play football! I think a lot of fans are angry with him right now (including me) and if he does stay, he will know he has to win us back, and there is only one way to do that... On the pitch. There's no way back for Arnautovic with 99% of the fanbase now, with good reason. Maybe for some fans, and yes with good reason. I do think if he stays and does his job, he can win the fans back. All we want him to do is play to the very best of his ability and help us win games. I'm not saying it would be easy, but I do think he can win the fans back if he had to stay with us.
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 16, 2017 10:21:11 GMT
This is simple to me now. If a club meet OUR valuation of Arnie, and it suits us, he goes, if not, well too bad, he stays here and does what he is contracted to do, play football! I think a lot of fans are angry with him right now (including me) and if he does stay, he will know he has to win us back, and there is only one way to do that... On the pitch. We can of course force him to stay , I'm sure the club will take into account the situation we found ourselves in with nzonzi . £20 odd million now or next to nothing in a couple o seasons . It's all a question of diminishing returns . We have a ready made replacement. I'm sure the club will cut him loose I have no doubt they will cut him loose too, IF another club meet our valuation. I don't think we will let him go for a penny less than what we consider to be the right price tag for our main man.
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Post by jebbstuart on Jul 16, 2017 10:21:20 GMT
lets sell move on and bring in players who want to play. cant see any point in him staying now. go and shut the door on the way out
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 10:21:42 GMT
its strange how -hes not a chance
I work with and, talk to supporters of Clubs Like Manchester United - Manchester city Everton and Liverpool on a daily basis
and all would like him playing at their respective clubs
you introduce those names and my valuation is about right
West Ham are 'B lister wannabees'' in rented accommodation - furnished by the taxpayer
and if I were him (and Stoke City) I would wait until more suitable football clubs came in for him
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 16, 2017 10:23:23 GMT
This is simple to me now. If a club meet OUR valuation of Arnie, and it suits us, he goes, if not, well too bad, he stays here and does what he is contracted to do, play football! I think a lot of fans are angry with him right now (including me) and if he does stay, he will know he has to win us back, and there is only one way to do that... On the pitch. There's only one club in town though isn't there, and does anyone really see West Ham going to at least £25M? Arnie, or more pertinently, Arnie's brother hasn't thought this through very well. Totally agree Arnie's camp don't seem to have thought this through. I think WH will come back with a final offer of £25M , it remains to be seen if SCFC would accept that for our main man.
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Post by unknown182 on Jul 16, 2017 10:24:53 GMT
I hope we bring in a replacement before he leaves
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 10:25:09 GMT
I put then number £35m on him over a week ago in this crazy market - if you benchmark him properly -that is his worth anything less and we sell him on the cheap -but we seem happy to do that -- dont we ? Not a chance. yannick Boloasie to Everton 12 moths ago -£25m plus add ons - and Arnies better ( benchmark)
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Post by crownmeking on Jul 16, 2017 10:25:43 GMT
This is simple to me now. If a club meet OUR valuation of Arnie, and it suits us, he goes, if not, well too bad, he stays here and does what he is contracted to do, play football! I think a lot of fans are angry with him right now (including me) and if he does stay, he will know he has to win us back, and there is only one way to do that... On the pitch.[/quote Think it has now gone past that now.As you know it was 50/50 for the fans moaning about his effort, now any lack of effort the fans will be straight on his back.Best thing for all of us is to get rid and give him shit when he comes back. I've never seen 50% of the fans moaning about his lack of effort, only a few absolute idiots on here.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 16, 2017 10:26:27 GMT
yannick Boloasie to Everton 12 moths ago -£25m plus add ons - and Arnies better  ( benchmark) Is he? That's debatable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 10:27:58 GMT
its strange how -hes not a chance I work with and, talk to supporters of Clubs Like Manchester United - Manchester city Everton and Liverpool on a daily basis and all would like him playing at their respective clubs you introduce those names and my valuation is about right West Ham are 'B lister wannabees'' in rented accommodation - furnished by the taxpayer and if I were him (and Stoke City) I would wait until more suitable football clubs came in for him They didn't last year when he'd had his best season with us and could have gone for half the amount now being quoted. In today's market, I agree we should value him at £35m. But if the asking price is between £20m and £25m then it's been set at that to make sure he goes. The price tells me the club know there's no future for him here. If there was, we'd make it a lot more difficult for someone to buy him.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 16, 2017 10:30:12 GMT
yannick Boloasie to Everton 12 moths ago -£25m plus add ons - and Arnies better  ( benchmark) Is he? That's debatable. Yes he is, Bolasie is a show pony with far less end product, imo.
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Post by march4 on Jul 16, 2017 10:32:06 GMT
yannick Boloasie to Everton 12 moths ago -£25m plus add ons - and Arnies better  ( benchmark) Is he? That's debatable. At the very least they are on a par. And transfer fees have gone through the roof since last year. A comparable value now is £30M+
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Post by Gods on Jul 16, 2017 10:32:54 GMT
I thought that too but everyone keeps repeating it. I think the point maybe that perhaps a fee of say £22.5m somehow includes the agents fee and therefore we do nor receive the whole? If its not that then I'm lost. You and me both gods (ie lost). No doubt every deal is different in one way or another but the only circumstances in which I can imagine the selling club paying a fee to the agent would be when the selling club wants to get rid. Therefore we might pay the agent to help get rid of Imbula (not that I'm advocating this) but I can't see any reason to do that in Arnie's case. Perhaps the agents fee is somehow split? Or maybe, just maybe, we were both right in the first place and West Ham pay the fee but folks are not happy about Arnie's brother feathering his own pocket whoever pays the fee, so the objection is more a question of principal than practicality who knows?!
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