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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 13, 2017 10:04:49 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 13, 2017 10:04:52 GMT
Now you're asking..... er....£4.8m? Maybe it's 20% of any profit or something? What did we pay? £2.6m? I say it's option three. This latest Twitter cretin hasn't got a scooby. Very possible - but worth adding to the mix until proven to be the usual guesswork. I'm guessing he'd have some kind of decent contacts at West Ham, but very possibly garbage (as always!)
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Post by Davef on Jul 13, 2017 10:10:13 GMT
I say it's option three. This latest Twitter cretin hasn't got a scooby. Very possible - but worth adding to the mix until proven to be the usual guesswork. I'm guessing he'd have some kind of decent contacts at West Ham, but very possibly garbage (as always!) Id say it's garbage. Arnie only had 12 months left on his Bremen deal when we signed him. The Bild angle is much more believable.
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Post by chumley on Jul 13, 2017 10:56:53 GMT
west ham now looking at Chadli Instead of arnie acc to west ham twitter account, personally we should sell Arnie and have Chadli instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 10:58:15 GMT
God I hope that's true, how Arnie can confuse West Ham's scattergun approach to signing players with ambition I will never know. Personally I'd just give him even more money but you know, the things you do for love!
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Post by philb on Jul 13, 2017 11:33:58 GMT
"the grass is bright on the other side"...... brilliant ! I'm sure that Charles Jefferson would be proud of that mixed metaphor You've obviously "seen the green at the end of the tunnel" ...... only joking matey. I almost missed this, from now on i shall be watching everything that happens in this thread with a fine-tuned comb. Personally i think this Arnie situation is just a case of one man looking a gift horse in the bush. I didn't get where i am today by looking a gift horse in the bush! Think Stoke need to put there foot down with a firm hand on this one!
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Post by kustokie on Jul 13, 2017 11:38:52 GMT
God I hope that's true, how Arnie can confuse West Ham's scattergun approach to signing players with ambition I will never know. Personally I'd just give him even more money but you know, the things you do for love! Scattergun describes Stoke's approach to transfer perfectly. Maybe, that's the only option open to mid-table teams who can only pick up the left-overs after the big boys have gorged themselves.
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 13, 2017 11:44:28 GMT
"the grass is bright on the other side"...... brilliant ! I'm sure that Charles Jefferson would be proud of that mixed metaphor You've obviously "seen the green at the end of the tunnel" ...... only joking matey. I almost missed this, from now on i shall be watching everything that happens in this thread with a fine-tuned comb. Personally i think this Arnie situation is just a case of one man looking a gift horse in the bush.I didn't get where i am today by looking a gift horse in the bush! Are you suggesting that Karen Brady has tapped him up?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 11:51:52 GMT
God I hope that's true, how Arnie can confuse West Ham's scattergun approach to signing players with ambition I will never know. Personally I'd just give him even more money but you know, the things you do for love! Scattergun describes Stoke's approach to transfer perfectly. Maybe, that's the only option open to mid-table teams who can only pick up the left-overs after the big boys have gorged themselves. Completely disagree, we choose specific targets and often work over several transfer windows to secure them.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 13, 2017 12:02:01 GMT
so theres a 20% sell on clause.
Well that changes a lot then. We should be holding out for 30M just to make the 24M that we deserve for Arnie
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 13, 2017 12:05:11 GMT
I almost missed this, from now on i shall be watching everything that happens in this thread with a fine-tuned comb. Personally i think this Arnie situation is just a case of one man looking a gift horse in the bush.I didn't get where i am today by looking a gift horse in the bush! Are you suggesting that Karen Brady has tapped him up? Pesch tapped her up
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2017 12:10:03 GMT
so theres a 20% sell on clause. Well that changes a lot then. We should be holding out for 30M just to make the 24M that we deserve for Arnie Is there though? & if there is is it 20%? is it 20% of the total fee or 20% of any profit? details are somewhat scarce
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Post by werrington on Jul 13, 2017 12:11:54 GMT
The sell-on clause would be part of the contract of sale between Werder & Stoke which would be separate from the contract between the player & the club. A quick translation of the Bild article in December 2015: "A summer change to a top club seems possible and would be worthwhile for Werder. If Stoke transfers him before the end of the term of the contract (2017), Bremen collects another 500,000 euros extra"If this is correct, then it's not a percentage sell on, it's an add-on, which is part and parcel of plenty of transfers. Surely that was his old contract which technically would of finished on June 30th He's now into the new contract he signed so that negates all that ?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 13, 2017 12:14:23 GMT
so theres a 20% sell on clause. Well that changes a lot then. We should be holding out for 30M just to make the 24M that we deserve for Arnie Is there though? & if there is is it 20%? is it 20% of the total fee or 20% of any profit? details are somewhat scarce It is Stoke's transfer team we are talking about here Lord. We always fuck-up the fine details of any contracts and get burnt later. Probably Scholes never bothered to read it and Bremen have sent a friendly reminder at the 11th hour that they are due 4 million. I would just about be happy if we made 25M from selling Arnie. 20M is niether here nor there in todays market - it looks like we are going to spunk 8M on a 1-year loan for Zouma for christs-sake. Why dont we just loan Arnie for 8M a year???
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 13, 2017 12:15:13 GMT
A quick translation of the Bild article in December 2015: "A summer change to a top club seems possible and would be worthwhile for Werder. If Stoke transfers him before the end of the term of the contract (2017), Bremen collects another 500,000 euros extra"If this is correct, then it's not a percentage sell on, it's an add-on, which is part and parcel of plenty of transfers. Surely that was his old contract which technically would of finished on June 30th He's now into the new contract he signed so that negates all that ? Maybe but not necessarily Werrington, a contract clause from an old contract could be novated to a new contract and would be binding. If that's the case keep him till 1st January 2018 and sell him then
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 13, 2017 12:44:25 GMT
Everton fail in £40 million bid for the lad from Swansea so is he worth £20 million more than arnie
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2017 12:45:24 GMT
Everton fail in £40 million bid for the lad from Swansea so is he worth £20 million more than arnie certainly worth a lot more scores more goals for sure
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 13, 2017 12:50:39 GMT
The way I see it is quite simple. He is our player not West Hams or Daniel Arnuatovic's. Arnie was happy to sign a new deal 1 year ago. If Arnie would have had a complete shocker last season and lost his first team place, would he be wanting to leave then........No of course not
If the contract was not good enough 1 year ago, then he shouldn't have signed up. If I were Tony Scholes I would tell West Ham 30m or no deal and don't even bother coming back with 25m.
As far as we are concerned we bought him for 2m, saved his bacon and he has done very well, I could understand Arnie if he wanted to go to play for AC Milan, PSG, Juve etc, but this is West Ham. He would be much better off coming out and saying that he wants to leave for CHAMPIONS league football, that I could understand
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 13, 2017 12:51:47 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 13, 2017 12:52:55 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 13, 2017 12:53:54 GMT
Everton fail in £40 million bid for the lad from Swansea so is he worth £20 million more than arnie certainly worth a lot more scores more goals for sure Know what you saying but Swansea have turned them down and holding out for £50 million , if we let arnie go he's still on a long contract so I'd start the bidding at £25 million
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 13, 2017 12:54:23 GMT
Say we keep him and we get a sulky Arnie , what use is that to us ?
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2017 12:56:20 GMT
if the £25m doesn't come in what do we do? keep hold of a player who will down tools? perhaps we should?snd a message to everyone wouldn't it. Arnie would be a huge pain in the arse though, can't see him knuckling down If PSG,Milan e.t.c were serious re Arnie they would be banging on Stokes door right now. Arnie/his brother have over rated him I feel. cracking player for us/loved watching him play but you do have to put up with some stupid on the pitch stuff from him. and the bottom line for me is he doesn't score enough goals, he should,get ten a season (as should Shaqiri)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 12:56:36 GMT
...at risk of being lumbered with a player that doesn't want to be here any longer...you're right, but it's not like WHU have just 'bid' - off the back of it, he's made it clear that he wants out.
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Post by lordb on Jul 13, 2017 12:56:59 GMT
certainly worth a lot more scores more goals for sure Know what you saying but Swansea have turned them down and holding out for £50 million , if we let arnie go he's still on a long contract so I'd start the bidding at £25 million Well by all accounts we are.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 13, 2017 12:57:53 GMT
...at risk of being lumbered with a player that doesn't want to be here any longer...you're right, but it's not like WHU have just 'bid' - off the back of it, he's made it clear that he wants out. I mean, we shouldn't sell him on the cheap. He goes on our terms or as close to them as possible.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 13, 2017 13:00:38 GMT
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Post by stantheman on Jul 13, 2017 13:04:40 GMT
Everton fail in £40 million bid for the lad from Swansea so is he worth £20 million more than arnie I can't spell the players name either! But well done to Swansea. Put up, or shut up.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jul 13, 2017 13:07:15 GMT
Say we keep him and we get a sulky Arnie , what use is that to us ? We've had a sulky Arnie from day 1, so I can't see it being any different.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 13, 2017 13:33:31 GMT
Everton fail in £40 million bid for the lad from Swansea so is he worth £20 million more than arnie I can't spell the players name either! But well done to Swansea. Put up, or shut up. He is certainly a lot more effective with goals and assists etc.I don't think Sigurdsson has asked for a transfer,and so they can afford to up the price without risking having an unhappy player on the books.For what it's worth £20 million is a good fee for Arnie imo and represents a pretty hefty profit on what we paid for him.
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