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Post by smiler_andy on Jul 10, 2017 17:51:29 GMT
Since been in the Premier League I can think of only two players who have moved to better clubs after Stoke which was Bego to Chelsea and Nzonzi to Sevilla. Nearly everyone else has gone to lesser clubs or retired.
So as supporters we are not used to clubs any where near us actually been interested never mind buying our players.
A while back the philosophy of the club was supposed to promote youngsters and buy cheap who would then be sold onto bigger clubs like Southampton have done. Which never happened or look like happening.
As far as Arnie is concerned he has been inconsistent most of the time which is why he ended up at Stoke with no interest from the top clubs..
I remember thinking after the league cup semi Final at Anfield that it was a chance for the club to kick off and go after 6th spot. Instead the players decided to get ready for the beach. Players and supporters tend to be totally different concerning loyalty is concerned. Kissing the badge for a supporter is different than a player is kissing a badge.
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Post by simple on Jul 10, 2017 17:51:37 GMT
Walters hands in transfer request and still gets called a legend, Arnautovic does it and gets called a snake and a cunt? When did SJW hand a transfer request in.
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Post by bhp on Jul 10, 2017 17:51:49 GMT
I'm really interested in seeing how this plays out. Swansea have shown their bollocks today by putting a £40m price tag on siguarsson, not because they think he's worth it but they simply don't want to lose their best player and the amount of money being thrown around is ridiculous. If I was PC I'd be having a press conference first thing in the morning slapping a £30m price tag on him and saying all bids below this will be automatically rejected. It's no longer about how much the player is worth but how much the buying club is willing to pay and he has the best part of 2 years left on his contract. We certainly won't be showing ambition by selling him for anything less in the current market. Why not £40million.  Arnie is better than Siggurdsson. How is 6 goals and 5 assists last season better than 9 goals and 13 assists in the same season? How is 22 goals in 125 better than 27 goals in 106? The record of both players at each respective club.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 10, 2017 17:51:59 GMT
This is what happens when a club shows fuckall ambition. Whose next? Shaq, Butland Sobhi. Before the happy clappers jump on me for being negative, show me where you think the positives are. Coates has no intention of moving the club up a level and is quite happy just to survive. Well in got news for you Mr. Coates if things carry on as they are doing we will be relegated by the 1st of January. The positives are we have Ramadan and I have a bottle of Jim Beam.
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Post by stokief on Jul 10, 2017 17:52:30 GMT
I've said it before when there've been rumblings about him going and I'll say it again, he should be careful what he wishes for. He's failed at all the other Clubs he's been at because I presume he has a very high opinion of himself and yet can't produce the goods on a regular basis AND he could find himself 'managed' not as carefully as I think Stoke have probably done. His volatile nature and quirky personality will not have changed that much with a settled family life and a stint in leafy Cheshire. It could all go t1ts up for him, especially 'darn sarf'. Still, I've enjoyed watching him when he's been on the money but there is a reason why it's West Ham and not Real Madrid vying for his signature, hje's not on the money often enough. He should leave the training camp now aswell. shouldn't've gone in the first place!
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Post by werrington on Jul 10, 2017 17:52:52 GMT
Opening gambit and testing the water .....that's all that is Double that and I reckon we'll talk I don't disagree mate ...4 years on his contract but only problem will be if he insisted on a release clause fee in the contract he signed in which case we either agreed and got it or he ran the last year ( this summer ) down and we lost him for nothing
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Post by paulinespens on Jul 10, 2017 17:53:04 GMT
Walters hands in transfer request and still gets called a legend, Arnautovic does it and gets called a snake and a cunt? Did Walters hand in a transfer request? I thought Burnley wanted him and we accepted their offer?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:54:15 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Jul 10, 2017 17:54:57 GMT
This is what happens when a club shows fuckall ambition. Whose next? Shaq, Butland Sobhi. Before the happy clappers jump on me for being negative, show me where you think the positives are. Coates has no intention of moving the club up a level and is quite happy just to survive. Well in got news for you Mr. Coates if things carry on as they are doing we will be relegated by the 1st of January. Bollocks. Judge the squad at the close of the window. Stop panicking.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2017 17:55:11 GMT
Double that and I reckon we'll talk I don't disagree mate ...4 years on his contract but only problem will be if he insisted on a release clause fee in the contract he signed in which case we either agreed and got it or he ran the last year ( this summer ) down and we lost him for nothing Surely if he's asked for a transfer though mate he wouldn't have a release clause?
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Post by s7oke on Jul 10, 2017 17:55:21 GMT
I'm pretty sure pieters will sleep better knowing he hasn't got to protect the whole left side of the pitch now when someone is rolling around on the floor or feigning a limp.. Christ we're fucked if Pieters is mentioned as defending let alone protecting. With respect.. Utter horseshit !!!! Which bit
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 10, 2017 17:56:06 GMT
The question has probably been asked somewhere in the 20 pages of this thread, but what was Arnie likely to have been promised last summer that encouraged him to sign a new contract?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 10, 2017 17:56:17 GMT
With respect.. Utter horseshit !!!! Which bit The bit about him offering Pieters no protection, which is a crock of the purest manure.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 10, 2017 17:56:17 GMT
One's a leg-end, and one's a bell-end.
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Post by bhp on Jul 10, 2017 17:57:07 GMT
modern day football really pisses me off. we took a chance on arnie when nobody else would touch him with a bargepole. last season he was poor makes you wonder if something was on his mind? well if you dont want to play for scfc fuck off to the dildo bros and join the other mercenaries.chance for sobhi to shine next year. The reality is the majority of imported players at mid table clubs couldn't care less, if you moved to a mid table clubs in Spain and another mid table club in Spain wanted you and are willing to give you a pay rise you'd most likely go. I'm not saying the Arnautovic situation is money related, it could be, he wouldn't be here now if we didn't take a small gamble on him like you said. Welcome to football post 92.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jul 10, 2017 17:57:47 GMT
Hughes and Billic always seemed to really get along with each other, all is fair in love and war I guess. . Can't see Hughes being pleased with this situation one bit, as it is beginning to derail our preseason already, and he will be hounded by the press nonstop now..
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 10, 2017 17:58:00 GMT
I don't get this transfer request bollocks. Why alienate yourself from fans and team mates?
My honest opinion - another badly handled situation by the fuckwits running the club. Toxic could see through Scholes alright.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Jul 10, 2017 17:58:30 GMT
Walters hands in transfer request and still gets called a legend, Arnautovic does it and gets called a snake and a cunt? When did SJW hand a transfer request in. August/September 2015.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jul 10, 2017 17:58:58 GMT
One's a leg-end, and one's a bell-end. Shows what kind of player you like.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Jul 10, 2017 17:59:06 GMT
Walters hands in transfer request and still gets called a legend, Arnautovic does it and gets called a snake and a cunt? Did Walters hand in a transfer request? I thought Burnley wanted him and we accepted their offer? Was a couple years ago mate
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Post by miggo on Jul 10, 2017 17:59:34 GMT
Those same fans slagging Arnie off are the same ones saying that the club is in disarray, we are going backwards, we can't compete, WE LACK AMBITION !!!
Now Arnie says it by handing in a transfer request and he's labelled shit, greedy, disrespectful etc etc.
Maybe he just sees thing's the way we do as fans lets not forget his best mates at the club are Bojan, Muniesa and Joselu all of whom have been treated harshly in their own way too so he's surrounded by negativity and maybe just maybe he thinks fuck this I could do without it ?It's not like he's emotionally attached to the club like we are its just a place of work for him same as it is for every other player. Ask yourself how many times you've wanted to Jack you're job in after a shit period and the only difference is a good footballer will be in demand and he still gets paid I'd No one comes in for him.
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Post by chad on Jul 10, 2017 18:00:24 GMT
The question has probably been asked somewhere in the 20 pages of this thread, but what was Arnie likely to have been promised last summer that encouraged him to sign a new contract? About £60k a week at a guess 😊
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 10, 2017 18:00:30 GMT
This is what happens when a club shows fuckall ambition. Whose next? Shaq, Butland Sobhi. Before the happy clappers jump on me for being negative, show me where you think the positives are. Coates has no intention of moving the club up a level and is quite happy just to survive. Well in got news for you Mr. Coates if things carry on as they are doing we will be relegated by the 1st of January. Bollocks. Judge the squad at the close of the window. Stop panicking. Mate I respect your consistency when we sell our best players - you were the same with N'Zonzi - slagging him off and doubting his ability. Guess what, we're still missing him now and with these clowns running the show we'll be missing Arnie in 3 seasons time as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 18:00:58 GMT
I don't get this transfer request bollocks. Why alienate yourself from fans and team mates? My honest opinion - another badly handled situation by the fuckwits running the club. Toxic could see through Scholes alright. Why can't the owners?
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Post by werrington on Jul 10, 2017 18:01:11 GMT
I don't disagree mate ...4 years on his contract but only problem will be if he insisted on a release clause fee in the contract he signed in which case we either agreed and got it or he ran the last year ( this summer ) down and we lost him for nothing Surely if he's asked for a transfer though mate he wouldn't have a release clause? Good point mate ....not sure how that would work ?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2017 18:02:14 GMT
Surely if he's asked for a transfer though mate he wouldn't have a release clause? Good point mate ....not sure how that would work ? No me neither but his agent would know what price the clause was if he had one?
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Post by sportsman on Jul 10, 2017 18:02:17 GMT
One's a leg-end, and one's a bell-end. Shows what kind of player you like. Shows what kind of character and commitment I like. I put that before the odd flash of skill. I felt the same about nzonzi. If they don't want to be here fuck off. Simple as that.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 10, 2017 18:03:25 GMT
I don't get this transfer request bollocks. Why alienate yourself from fans and team mates? My honest opinion - another badly handled situation by the fuckwits running the club. Toxic could see through Scholes alright. Why can't the owners? Because they care more about the numbers rather than doing something special? I don't know, the whole fucking shit show is pissing me off, 6 weeks before a ball has been kicked in anger!!!
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Post by trigger on Jul 10, 2017 18:04:25 GMT
Good point mate ....not sure how that would work ? No me neither but his agent would know what price the clause was if he had one? Keep it in the family I think his brother is his agent?
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Post by sportsman on Jul 10, 2017 18:04:31 GMT
Bollocks. Judge the squad at the close of the window. Stop panicking. Mate I respect your consistency when we sell our best players - you were the same with N'Zonzi - slagging him off and doubting his ability. Â Guess what, we're still missing him now and with these clowns running the show we'll be missing Arnie in 3 seasons time as well. I will always want a player to fuck off if he doesn't want to play for Stoke. It's not as if he's Ronaldo. He's too hot and cold to ever get down about.
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