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Post by mattface on Jul 10, 2017 17:12:27 GMT
I think it's important to look at both sides of the coin with this news. My initial reaction actually was not all that doom and gloom, less so than I imagined it would or maybe should be. The good news is we're in a position to let clubs tussle over a big fee for him which is what we should do. Second to that I do think that Ramadan will be up to the mark sooner than some think as a replacement, but yes, we will need to reinvest the money towards finding another winger to fight for a place alongside him. I'm far from being in panic mode, i don't think the club are THAT naive, they should invest. If the money we take from selling Arnie goes towards balancing the squad out more, that includes purchasing two quality centre backs (one hopefully being Bruno) and another central midfielder, then so be it. The risk of not allowing Arnie to leave now if this whole thing is true could potentially lead to a toxic atmosphere in the dressing room over the course of next season, and that is by far more of a concern to me all for the sake of one individual, the club always comes first. If we play this right, I believe it may be a blessing in disguise, but only time will tell. I would be staggered if he ends up at West Ham, I think a foreign club will get him, or at the very least a club like Everton who are in a solid position to fight for european places. Exactly my thoughts Sobhi has already shown he's up to the job.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jul 10, 2017 17:13:42 GMT
Arnie is my favorite player, BUT, I've watched football long enough to know that folk like him who despair because of a lack of "big name" signings, are often left with egg on their faces later that same season, when they realise how good the younger players coming through are. See "You'll never win anything with kids", (copyright Alan Hansen), and all that. Indeed the season which I felt most pessimistic about was 2007, where teenager, and I thought we'd surely go down. That lad was Shawcross, and we got promoted instead! So let's say Arnie follows Walters out of the club. It just so happens that Stoke's most promising youngsters, Ramadan, Verlinden and Ngoy, are already waiting in the wings (no pun intended) for an opportunity to play in the wide/forward positions. And obviously we also have Shaqiri and Diouf too, who are more experienced. And we could then use the Arnie transfer money to strengthen those other areas of the team that need investment more (e.g. defensive positions). This would represent exactly the kind of self sufficiency through transfer dealings we've talked about for a long time; buying players like Arnie cheap, getting a few good years out of them, then selling them on for a killing when they're this sort of age and in demand. So I say sell him if the money's right, and I hope the management keep their nerve, and continue to recruit players for the future. "we spunked our transfer budget on a completely unknown" Our transfer budget? He cost us a £1m. I'll miss Arnie he can change things but I prefer Rama's style far quicker, far more direct and far more exciting. Always thought of Arnie as the daft lad of the team, if goes to West Ham then case proven.
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Jul 10, 2017 17:14:45 GMT
He can fuck off for 25mil! He plays well 3 in 10 games, when we're total shite half the time he pretends he's injured and wants to come off. Lets face it, i bet we were all a little surprised when he signed the contract, he hardly bleeds SCFC
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Post by kurt on Jul 10, 2017 17:15:31 GMT
We piss about in the transfer market and track players forever. We hold on to grandads too long and Do lack ambition. This!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:15:53 GMT
If he does move on, I'd be reinvesting in Demerai Gray. I'd chuck every penny on gray
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:16:11 GMT
As gutted as i am that arnie wants out, the bit thats getting to me the most is the 'lack of ambition' line that keeps being broadcast. Dissapointed in arnie if thats what he has said as it coukd damage any future tranfers. Who wants to move to a club without ambition?
The only way i see past it is the southampton model, year after year they lose their best players but instead of spending millions replacing them, they let youth shine, and invest the money throughout the squad.
Arnie is just one man, not the team, and if others want to follow suit, so be it. Fuck em off! Lets put this catagory a academy to good use
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 10, 2017 17:16:18 GMT
Arnie isolated and on his own.......will he even play today?
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Post by RAF on Jul 10, 2017 17:16:28 GMT
Anyone who would be glad to see Arnie leave is a fucking stupid cunt. H Anyone that thinks he's better than 3 in 10 games is as well. He ain't all that. That's your opinion not fact. For me he's the best player we have! H
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2017 17:16:41 GMT
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Post by theteacher on Jul 10, 2017 17:17:08 GMT
He has a long contract. He was happy to sign that contract just 12 months ago.
He is asking for a transfer. We grant him his wish but on our terms (we are not desperate for the transfer fee).
We put a £50m transfer fee on his head or he trains with the U23s.
Other Clubs do such and are better at it than we are. We get the fee we want or he rots in the U23s. Different if in the last year of his contract.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jul 10, 2017 17:17:13 GMT
I sincerely hope that Coates and co. take on board this message that Arnie is putting out. The lack of performance, ambition and forward thinking demonstrated by the club over the last season and to date this coming season is of major concern to supporters like me. Based on the last eighteen months, Hughes should have gone at the very least and a new manager given the time to inject some life back into the place. Don't accept mediocrity, take the initiative.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 10, 2017 17:18:55 GMT
Fucking hell fire. Sixteen million it is, then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:19:02 GMT
He can fuck off for 25mil! He plays well 3 in 10 games, when we're total shite half the time he pretends he's injured and wants to come off. Lets face it, i bet we were all a little surprised when he signed the contract, he hardly bleeds SCFC He is the essence of blood, guts and flair. Strong, quick, tough and arrogant. How anyone could not love him, I have no clue. When we're total shite he's normally the one who drags the rest of them up with him. This shit came out with the shawcross 'request' aswell. Stop pretending that players haven't been brilliant for us just cause they might want to move on. If I were Arnautovic and I'd just been involved in that shite last year, I'd want to move on at 28 too.
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Post by trigger on Jul 10, 2017 17:19:49 GMT
Ramadan straight replacement but the idiot Hughes will probably not even consider him as a viable replacement.
As for Arnie leaving, so what, one in five games he's good, the rest bang average. Thinks he's better than he is and will get found out at a bigger club, miserable, sulking, pig headed comes to mind not sour grapes at all.
My biggest gripe is our inept owners who idoly sit by pretending to be run a steady ship when the crew are quickly abonding ship with Captain Smith at the helm, Hughes Out.
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Post by gonk on Jul 10, 2017 17:19:53 GMT
Jesus. He cites a lack of ambition for wanting to leave you lot, quite possibly to come to us. Has he not seen our penny-pinching tight arse shyster owners then? Out of the frying pan in to the fire springs to mind... That's what I can't understand. No way Sullivan and Gold are going to pay £25m for him, is there? And chuck in £5m-a-year in wages. And yet Bilic has clearly tapped him up and led him to believe a bid that will get the job done is on its way. But with it being West Ham , I just cannot see it. And when he gets there, all he's got is the same battle for 8th he's got here. You are right,West Ham are more cheap jack than us.when you think they are getting a ground for fuck all and have cashed in on the old ground and still no big money signing.
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Post by gonk on Jul 10, 2017 17:20:12 GMT
Jesus. He cites a lack of ambition for wanting to leave you lot, quite possibly to come to us. Has he not seen our penny-pinching tight arse shyster owners then? Out of the frying pan in to the fire springs to mind... That's what I can't understand. No way Sullivan and Gold are going to pay £25m for him, is there? And chuck in £5m-a-year in wages. And yet Bilic has clearly tapped him up and led him to believe a bid that will get the job done is on its way. But with it being West Ham , I just cannot see it. And when he gets there, all he's got is the same battle for 8th he's got here. You are right,West Ham are more cheap jack than us.when you think they are getting a ground for fuck all and have cashed in on the old ground and still no big money signing.
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Post by datguy on Jul 10, 2017 17:20:46 GMT
Absolutely no chance he's handed in a transfer request just to go to West Ham. I think it's more of a "I'm available, come and get me" to other clubs abroad.
Also think Stoke would be criminal to sell to a Prem rival.
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Post by samba :) on Jul 10, 2017 17:21:10 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 10, 2017 17:21:36 GMT
Lee Chapman says in his autobiography that he left Stoke because of the club's lack of ambition and says it was a big mistake. Can't help feeling Arni has been spun a line and thinks it's greener in the next field. Another greedy agent looking for a pay day.
Just what we needed to boost team morale. He kept the club hanging last summer while he tried to get a better deal elsewhere and failed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:22:01 GMT
Someone has put something in his head, someone has told him that they want him. If he moves, to another team in this country, it'll be Everton. It's beginning to look like he's acting like a right bellend.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jul 10, 2017 17:22:48 GMT
Gutted I really am and I will miss the maverick should he go.
However we paid £2 million for him and if his head isn't here and it is money or ambition (the ambition I'm not buying he is 28 and probably after his last chance at a whopping contract) sell for £25 million and reinvest, if we don't reinvest that is when I'll get pissed off at the board.
Still a fucking shame!
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 10, 2017 17:22:53 GMT
Hopefully we responded with a £10m bid for Antonio.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 10, 2017 17:24:49 GMT
Why should we sell for any less than £50 million? If they want him, they'll have to spend to get him.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 10, 2017 17:24:58 GMT
.. your notifications are about to go through the roof, something you wanted no doubt. Couldn't give a fuck. I was one of the few being realistic and saying what we could do in this situation. Arnies a decent player, but I don't think he's as good as people make him out to be. Sell him for a decent fee, give Ramadan some confidence and look at replacing Arnie. I feel Ramdadan could do a better job than Arnie. I think Ramadan will surpass Arnie eventually. Gutted he's off but not overly surprised. I'm not happy with our general performance in the transfer market, though. We piss about too much.
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Post by RAF on Jul 10, 2017 17:25:04 GMT
Anyone who calls fellow Stokies stupid cunts is a stupid cunt we all have our point of view. Truth stinging a bit is it? H
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 10, 2017 17:25:46 GMT
Hmm I'm normally a fan of Percy but I can't see how he would've sat on that story and not said anything for 3 weeks?
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 10, 2017 17:26:03 GMT
Gutted, absolutely gutted. I have been his fan since he first played for Stoke, the lad is full of quality! However, anything north of £25 Million (we will get less than he is worth now due to him handing it in) and we need him gone. Why would we get less? That would only apply if the buying club knew that we wanted to sell. As it stands, there's nothing to suggest that we do. If they want him, we can afford to demand top dollar - with the only obvious caveat that there's probably a minimum release clause for less than the current going rate. Double edged sword mate. Firstly he won't get his loyalty bonus after his request. This gets thrown in I believe as part of the offer as the buying side know this. Secondly, the belief is that the poison or disquiet this kind of thing normally kicks up naturally reduces the price. These would all change of course if a second suiter were to be introduced.
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Post by primmerz on Jul 10, 2017 17:26:06 GMT
Someone has put something in his head, someone has told him that they want him. If he moves, to another team in this country, it'll be Everton. It's begging to look like he's acting like a right bellend. Such a childish thing to do. He could even end up staying and he's separating himself from the team and making it all about him. Get on with it until something has been agreed.
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Post by eddyclamp on Jul 10, 2017 17:27:26 GMT
£15M? That's taking the piss
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 10, 2017 17:28:36 GMT
If he's doing that then I'd stick him on the plane back to the UK. The U23s are playing on Saturday he can play in that. I wish I could sulk around the pitch like an uninterested prick for 70k a week.
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