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Post by Jimm on Jul 10, 2017 16:55:56 GMT
:( Don't sell him to another Premier league club ffs. This is wank news
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Post by nott1 on Jul 10, 2017 16:56:04 GMT
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Post by Theninjabadger on Jul 10, 2017 16:56:13 GMT
There will be a release clause and I'd wager it'll be peanuts or he wouldn't have signed a new long contract last season. If West Ham have bid £15m and we've rejected it, I can't imagine it being south of £20m. Or maybe he's a low release clause for teams in the champions league and this West Ham bid has been leaked to generate interest
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Post by PenkPonther on Jul 10, 2017 16:56:16 GMT
Arnie is my favorite player, BUT, I've watched football long enough to know that folk like him who despair because of a lack of "big name" signings, are often left with egg on their faces later that same season, when they realise how good the younger players coming through are.
See "You'll never win anything with kids", (copyright Alan Hansen), and all that.
Indeed the season which I felt most pessimistic about was 2007, where we spunked our transfer budget on a completely unknown teenager, and I thought we'd surely go down. That lad was Shawcross, and we got promoted instead!
So let's say Arnie follows Walters out of the club. It just so happens that Stoke's most promising youngsters, Ramadan, Verlinden and Ngoy, are already waiting in the wings (no pun intended) for an opportunity to play in the wide/forward positions. And obviously we also have Shaqiri and Diouf too, who are more experienced.
And we could then use the Arnie transfer money to strengthen those other areas of the team that need investment more (e.g. defensive positions).
This would represent exactly the kind of self sufficiency through transfer dealings we've talked about for a long time; buying players like Arnie cheap, getting a few good years out of them, then selling them on for a killing when they're this sort of age and in demand.
So I say sell him if the money's right, and I hope the management keep their nerve, and continue to recruit players for the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 16:56:51 GMT
If there is a release-clause, West Ham mustn't have have known about it, which would then rule out the tapping up theory. Who knows what the situation is? Even if there was a £20m clause there's nowt stopping them from trying their hand with a £15m bid.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2017 16:58:01 GMT
So are we but his £40 grand a week cushions his a little I think he's joint with Shaq as highest paid player (£65k or £75k?) Percy suggested he was 70k-a-weekWonder how much higher West Ham would go? £80k? 90k?
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Jul 10, 2017 16:58:06 GMT
He says he's "frustrated with the lack of ambition at the club" Can you post a link with this quote or is it something you heard while in tesco?
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Post by Theninjabadger on Jul 10, 2017 17:00:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:00:46 GMT
I think it's important to look at both sides of the coin with this news. My initial reaction actually was not all that doom and gloom, less so than I imagined it would or maybe should be. The good news is we're in a position to let clubs tussle over a big fee for him which is what we should do. Second to that I do think that Ramadan will be up to the mark sooner than some think as a replacement, but yes, we will need to reinvest the money towards finding another winger to fight for a place alongside him. I'm far from being in panic mode, i don't think the club are THAT naive, they should invest. If the money we take from selling Arnie goes towards balancing the squad out more, that includes purchasing two quality centre backs (one hopefully being Bruno) and another central midfielder, then so be it. The risk of not allowing Arnie to leave now if this whole thing is true could potentially lead to a toxic atmosphere in the dressing room over the course of next season, and that is by far more of a concern to me all for the sake of one individual, the club always comes first. If we play this right, I believe it may be a blessing in disguise, but only time will tell. I would be staggered if he ends up at West Ham, I think a foreign club will get him, or at the very least a club like Everton who are in a solid position to fight for european places. Exactly my thoughts
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Post by nott1 on Jul 10, 2017 17:01:10 GMT
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 10, 2017 17:01:16 GMT
If there is a release-clause, West Ham mustn't have have known about it, which would then rule out the tapping up theory. Who knows what the situation is? Even if there was a £20m clause there's nowt stopping them from trying their hand with a £15m bid. There isn't, but there's no way we'd accept a fee lower than that with him having three years left on his contract, is there? It'll all come out in the wash.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 10, 2017 17:01:17 GMT
There will be a release clause and I'd wager it'll be peanuts or he wouldn't have signed a new long contract last season. We've turned down a £15m bid so more than peanuts, hence why Arnie is trying to force a move. IF they have offered 15m that that'll be what the buy out clause will be.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 10, 2017 17:01:28 GMT
I'm sure the usual defenders of the idiocy, incompetence and downright chaos we've had at the club the past 18 months will be along shortly to tell us everything is just swell. Well said. I don't blame Arnie one bit for going. We piss about in the transfer market and track players forever. We hold on to grandads too long and Do lack ambition. Thankfully Ramadan is going to be a great player. That's the only saving grace.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 10, 2017 17:01:42 GMT
He says he's "frustrated with the lack of ambition at the club" Can you post a link with this quote or is it something you heard while in tesco? Jim White has been shouting out all afternoon on Sky Sports News that it's what "Sky sources" are telling him , which isn't a great look.
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Post by neddy on Jul 10, 2017 17:02:19 GMT
I'm sure the usual defenders of the idiocy, incompetence and downright chaos we've had at the club the past 18 months will be along shortly to tell us everything is just swell. Well said. I don't blame Arnie one bit for going. We piss about in the transfer market and track players forever. We hold on to grandads too long and Do lack ambition. Thankfully Ramadan is going to be a great player. That's the only saving grace. Goodness me look at the video on sentinel site with him strolling on his own????
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Post by wuzza on Jul 10, 2017 17:03:38 GMT
Arnie is my favorite player, BUT, I've watched football long enough to know that folk like him who despair because of a lack of "big name" signings, are often left with egg on their faces later that same season, when they realise how good the younger players coming through are. See "You'll never win anything with kids", (copyright Alan Hansen), and all that. Indeed the season which I felt most pessimistic about was 2007, where we spunked our transfer budget on a completely unknown teenager, and I thought we'd surely go down. That lad was Shawcross, and we got promoted instead! So let's say Arnie follows Walters out of the club. It just so happens that Stoke's most promising youngsters, Ramadan, Verlinden and Ngoy, are already waiting in the wings (no pun intended) for an opportunity to play in the wide/forward positions. And obviously we also have Shaqiri and Diouf too, who are more experienced. And we could then use the Arnie transfer money to strengthen those other areas of the team that need investment more (e.g. defensive positions). This would represent exactly the kind of self sufficiency through transfer dealings we've talked about for a long time; buying players like Arnie cheap, getting a few good years out of them, then selling them on for a killing when they're this sort of age and in demand. So I say sell him if the money's right, and I hope the management keep their nerve, and continue to recruit players for the future. All fine and dandy if the young players are as good as being touted and are ready right now - no time to settle in or anything like that because it's going to be a battle from the get go this season. I've got me doubts - we aren't at that stage yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:04:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:04:31 GMT
Even if there was a £20m clause there's nowt stopping them from trying their hand with a £15m bid. There isn't, but there's no way we'd accept a fee lower than that with him having three years left on his contract, is there? It'll all come out in the wash. Unless they're continuing their fine tradition of looking incredibly busy in the market while not actually buying anyone. Make a bid you know will be rejected and say "Well at least we tried."
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 10, 2017 17:05:43 GMT
If Sigurdson is worth £50 million that Swansea are asking why can't we? That Sigurdson that scored 9 goals and had 13 assists-that's why they are asking £50 million.What were Arnies stats in that respect? Said similar earlier, Coop. I like Arnie but Sigourney is much better and more consistent.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2017 17:05:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:06:55 GMT
On his day a quality player but let's be honest, more often than not he isn't. Standing in the wings we have Sobhi, a player who's looked exciting every time he's played and a player who can't get game time because we can't accommodate him and Arnie.
If he wants out, fine lets cash in. It's not like we have to sign someone to fill his boots. It's the modern game, players are mercenaries hunting for cash, he couldn't give a toss about Stoke or the fans so move him on. Of course, I'd place a hefty price tag on him and make him squirm on the bench until someone coughed up the cash for him.
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Post by neddy on Jul 10, 2017 17:06:57 GMT
Muni doesn't look happy either?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jul 10, 2017 17:07:08 GMT
...even the Blue Bear has made an appearance & its not transfer deadline day! Shit just got real!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:07:41 GMT
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Post by arnie3010 on Jul 10, 2017 17:08:14 GMT
Very sad to see this vid.
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Post by silverdollar on Jul 10, 2017 17:08:16 GMT
It was inevitable really because there is a palpable lack of ambition at the club. Arnie and Shaqiri perceive themselves as better than Stoke City. They can be sublime but for me they are luxuries. I will have no problem with both moving on. Definitely no less than£30 million for Arnie and £25 million for Shaqiri . Get to grips with the type of player we need to move us forward in the Premier League and invest. We have some super young players pushing but we have got to be more active on the transfer scene. We are going to have a really difficult season coming up.
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Post by bhp on Jul 10, 2017 17:10:48 GMT
Someone has put something in his head, someone has told him that they want him. If he moves, to another team in this country, it'll be Everton.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:11:01 GMT
If he does move on, I'd be reinvesting in Demerai Gray.
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Post by milky on Jul 10, 2017 17:11:49 GMT
Shitting wank!
Sadly it looks like he has played his final game for Stoke:(
Now let's see what a complete fuck up we can make of sorting a fee..
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 10, 2017 17:11:49 GMT
Not read the whole thread so apologies if I've missed something, but to me, "Stoke lack ambition" can be translated as, "I'm a greedy twat and I think I can get more money somewhere else, come and get me, big teams."
If he wants to go then let's name the price we want (I reckon we should look for £25m but will probably accept £20m) and give his shirt to Ramadan. I honestly don't think we should go big on a replacement- perhaps someone who can do a job as a stand-in, but I'd rather any serious money be invested in the defence.
With his sulky demeanour though, there's no way he's going to knuckle down and give 100% while waiting for a suitor to stump up the cash. If he wants out then we have to sell asap while his stock is still fairly high.
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