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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 21, 2017 13:57:08 GMT
Absolutely but he'll need to be replaced. Thinking we can get away with doing it will be suicide. So you're saying Ramadan isn't good enough? I think he's more than good enough but i don't think for one minute he was brought in as an Arnautovic replacement. We've just sold our best player, we need to replace like with like or the argument about ambition will be settled once and for all.
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Post by liamo on Jul 21, 2017 13:57:26 GMT
If anything we became far too over reliant on him and it stroked his ego a bit too much for my liking if i'm honest
We existed in the league before Arnie, we even excelled when Arnie was a bit poo for us, we will be fine after he's gone
Will we miss him? Yes, is it the end of the world? No, good riddance
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 21, 2017 14:00:09 GMT
So you're saying Ramadan isn't good enough? I think he's more than good enough but i don't think for one minute he was brought in as an Arnautovic replacement. We've just sold our best player, we need to replace like with like or the argument about ambition will be settled once and for all. Who was he brought into replace? That's his position. I think Shaq will be the main man this year. Think we need back up plan myself (to Sohbi) but it was great foresight signing him last year and getting him intergrated wasn't it?
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Jul 21, 2017 14:07:00 GMT
People would more readily believe it is a peace sign if he had acted with more dignity previously, and didn't look so angry in the photograph. Yeah probably, I'm not defending the cunt btw, just saying what he's probably doing.. but I can't be sure, obviously. I can tell you aren't defending him as you said something along the lines of hoping he is swearing as it makes it easier to abuse him from what I remember.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jul 21, 2017 14:11:13 GMT
So you're saying Ramadan isn't good enough? I think he's more than good enough but i don't think for one minute he was brought in as an Arnautovic replacement. We've just sold our best player, we need to replace like with like or the argument about ambition will be settled once and for all. I just hope we don't sign someone just for the sake of perceived ambition. Guys like Ashley Young or whatever. I'm happy with Sobhi and Ngoy given a shot until January, assess then. But I wouldn't sniff at a huge signing right now either. Happy Days
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Post by Northy on Jul 21, 2017 14:13:11 GMT
I think he's more than good enough but i don't think for one minute he was brought in as an Arnautovic replacement. We've just sold our best player, we need to replace like with like or the argument about ambition will be settled once and for all. Who was he brought into replace? That's his position. I think Shaq will be the main man this year. Think we need back up plan myself (to Sohbi) but it was great foresight signing him last year and getting him intergrated wasn't it? verlinden? He's just been given a 5 year contract hasn't he.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 21, 2017 14:13:30 GMT
Yeah probably, I'm not defending the cunt btw, just saying what he's probably doing.. but I can't be sure, obviously. I can tell you aren't defending him as you said something along the lines of hoping he is swearing as it makes it easier to abuse him from what I remember. Yeah summit like that, can't remember what I posted 10 minutes ago but sounds likely
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 14:14:24 GMT
Close your eyes then because the other two will be going next summer... And guess what, we'll replace them when they do. Absolutely.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 21, 2017 14:14:58 GMT
I think he's more than good enough but i don't think for one minute he was brought in as an Arnautovic replacement. We've just sold our best player, we need to replace like with like or the argument about ambition will be settled once and for all. Who was he brought into replace? That's his position. I think Shaq will be the main man this year. Think we need back up plan myself (to Sohbi) but it was great foresight signing him last year and getting him intergrated wasn't it? He's been a great signing, not as good as Arnautovic though. You sell a star you buy a star, otherwise you're trying to do it on the cheap and open to accusations of lacking ambition.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 21, 2017 14:18:19 GMT
Dear me.
Even if it is innocent (but nevertheless hugely immature) posturing, he and / or his haflwit bother should think these things through, even for a nano second and consider how it looks to fans here and to the wider footballing world.
Hashtag:totalbellend
Come on guys - did anyone honestly think that he wasn't a prize cock when he was here. Just happened to be a prize cock who occasionally put the ball in the net for the Potters so you tend to look past it. But a prize cock none the less. Indeed Seymour.
100% confirmation should it ever have been required though.
And why, perhaps, I never quite gave him the status that some afforded him. Yes, goals matter but so does how you conduct yourself.
Just glad it's over bar the shouting.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 21, 2017 14:28:13 GMT
It would be pretty funny if we pulled out of the deal at the last minute.
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Post by lagwafis on Jul 21, 2017 14:32:38 GMT
A fantastic player on his day although he didn't always hit the same high standards last season as he showed in 2015/16 (when he really did look like one of our best attacking players for 40 years with his goals against Chelsea, Liverpool, Man United, Man City etc.)
This feels like the Begovic situation all over again. When Asmir left we knew we had a very promising player in Butland coming through the ranks. Likewise Ramadan potentially coming in for Arnie (as long we as backfill some extra cover on the wings)
To be honest, the only sale I've been genuinely gutted about since promotion has been N'Zonzi. That was because we didn't have anyone near his level as a replacement (and still don't)
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 21, 2017 14:37:11 GMT
Who was he brought into replace? That's his position. I think Shaq will be the main man this year. Think we need back up plan myself (to Sohbi) but it was great foresight signing him last year and getting him intergrated wasn't it? He's been a great signing, not as good as Arnautovic though. You sell a star you buy a star, otherwise you're trying to do it on the cheap and open to accusations of lacking ambition. We didn't when Begovic left... our promising youngster stepped up and we backfilled.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 21, 2017 14:38:37 GMT
Who was he brought into replace? That's his position. I think Shaq will be the main man this year. Think we need back up plan myself (to Sohbi) but it was great foresight signing him last year and getting him intergrated wasn't it? verlinden? He's just been given a 5 year contract hasn't he. I'd be slightly uneasy relying on Verlinden this year to be honest. Integrate him slowly this year see how he goes.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 21, 2017 14:40:19 GMT
He's been a great signing, not as good as Arnautovic though. You sell a star you buy a star, otherwise you're trying to do it on the cheap and open to accusations of lacking ambition. We didn't when Begovic left... our promising youngster stepped up and we backfilled. Yep. That's what he have (hopefully) with Sobhi. Great planning. Next year may be the same with Verlinden and Shaq?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 21, 2017 14:44:06 GMT
He's been a great signing, not as good as Arnautovic though. You sell a star you buy a star, otherwise you're trying to do it on the cheap and open to accusations of lacking ambition. We didn't when Begovic left... our promising youngster stepped up and we backfilled. Oh yeah we 'back filled', that's right. Let's do that again then
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Post by Northy on Jul 21, 2017 14:49:23 GMT
verlinden? He's just been given a 5 year contract hasn't he. I'd be slightly uneasy relying on Verlinden this year to be honest. Integrate him slowly this year see how he goes. That's why I was suggesting as back up to Sobhi
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 21, 2017 14:49:31 GMT
We had the same debate about Lawrence until pennant came on board , Arne is a good player no more than that certainly not irreplaceable Absolutely but he'll need to be replaced. Thinking we can get away without doing it will be suicide. I'd be happy if the club concentrated on a top class replacement for SJW
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 21, 2017 14:49:36 GMT
So you're saying Ramadan isn't good enough? I think he's more than good enough but i don't think for one minute he was brought in as an Arnautovic replacement. We've just sold our best player, we need to replace like with like or the argument about ambition will be psettled once and for all. Maybe... When man utd sold England star man david beckham. They replaced him with youngster christiano ronaldo and it worked out fine
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 21, 2017 14:51:34 GMT
I'd be slightly uneasy relying on Verlinden this year to be honest. Integrate him slowly this year see how he goes. That's why I was suggesting as back up to Sobhi Well yeah but I'd like a first choice back up, before him. 4 wingers for 2 slots.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 21, 2017 14:51:46 GMT
We didn't when Begovic left... our promising youngster stepped up and we backfilled. Oh yeah we 'back filled', that's right. Let's do that again then Year in year out Southampton sell their star players and backfill with youth or astute purchases from Scotland (or the like) and generally end up finishing above us in the league. It can be done.
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Post by iglugluk on Jul 21, 2017 14:54:38 GMT
Does anyone genuinely, deep down, give a fuck about this anymore? Not bitter in any way shape or form, but this sums what we all knew about him all along. Not only handed a request in for more money, but decided to try and put players off us with the leaked "lack of ambition" mindset. Was he player of the season this season? No Last season? No Season before? No Before that? No He had a good touch and trickery, but fuck me did the lad miss some absolute sitters and love an ineffective cut back inside. Fuck off Arnautovic, and I hope Ramadan scores 8 goals and snaps you vs West Ham in December. Because he's a sexy, effective, Egyptian bastard. Glad its finally done but you're kidding yourself if you think we wont massively miss him as it stands. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/robbie-earle-sorry-stoke-city-but-selling-marko-arnautovic-to-west-ham-sends-the-wrong-signals/story-30448416-detail/story.htmlSeems Robbie Earl pretty much agrees with you........for what it's worth
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 21, 2017 14:54:54 GMT
We didn't when Begovic left... our promising youngster stepped up and we backfilled. Oh yeah we 'back filled', that's right. Let's do that again then My point is that we replaced the outgoing player with somebody we already had without spending a fortune to do so... the same could apply here. Obviously the player we bought to sit on the bench didn't work out, but if we're going to go and spend big every time we sell then we might aswell shut the doors on the academy. If Ramadan isn't given a bigger role this season he'll rightly be looking for a move aswell, and I wouldn't blame him.. it wil be criminal if we don't at least give him a decent chance.
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Post by 3putts on Jul 21, 2017 15:00:26 GMT
So you're saying Ramadan isn't good enough? I think he's more than good enough but i don't think for one minute he was brought in as an Arnautovic replacement. We've just sold our best player, we need to replace like with like or the argument about ambition will be settled once and for all. Our best player last season? You must watch a diffrent game to me?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 21, 2017 15:11:21 GMT
I think he's more than good enough but i don't think for one minute he was brought in as an Arnautovic replacement. We've just sold our best player, we need to replace like with like or the argument about ambition will be settled once and for all. Our best player last season? You must watch a diffrent game to me? I didn't say last season but he was overall undoubtedly our most effective player and on balance our best player. Even with an average season last time out we would have been relegated without his contributions.
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Post by 3putts on Jul 21, 2017 15:13:04 GMT
I was in the gym this morning with the bbc news on and they had to go back to november 2015 to show a clip of him doing something usefull, his (great) goal v man utd.but it speake volumes that they have to go that far back.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 21, 2017 15:15:15 GMT
Still not gone then
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 21, 2017 15:22:41 GMT
I was in the gym this morning with the bbc news on and they had to go back to november 2015 to show a clip of him doing something usefull, his (great) goal v man utd.but it speake volumes that they have to go that far back. That Sunderland goal wasn't too shabby.....let's not pretend he was shire.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 21, 2017 15:25:26 GMT
Yeah, let's pretend he hasn't joined another team and keep talking about him.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jul 21, 2017 15:27:09 GMT
I was in the gym this morning with the bbc news on and they had to go back to november 2015 to show a clip of him doing something usefull, his (great) goal v man utd.but it speake volumes that they have to go that far back. You don't have to go that far back at all. He's a bellend and a greedy cunt. But he was a good player for us still.
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