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Post by rat on Jul 5, 2017 18:25:50 GMT
British spirit? How many of them were British? In fact, how many of them were here legally and entitled to be housed at the expense of the tax-payer? Can people be deemed British if they are illegally ?, if they are proved to be here as an illegal immigrant what assistance should they be offered by the legal British tax payer ?, any person found to be illegally sub letting should be offered no immunity from legal proceedings, they should be charged named and dealt with through the British legal system as the law demands. Heartless .
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Post by Boothen on Jul 5, 2017 18:27:20 GMT
Yes, the government should order all local councils to launch massive and sweeping investigations to check out just how many council properties are being illegally sub-let to illegal immigrants. They won't though as, just like with the Muslim gangs raping children willy-nilly, they'll keep it quiet because they're afraid of being labelled 'racist' and losing the votes from a 'certain community'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 18:57:50 GMT
Can people be deemed British if they are illegally ?, if they are proved to be here as an illegal immigrant what assistance should they be offered by the legal British tax payer ?, any person found to be illegally sub letting should be offered no immunity from legal proceedings, they should be charged named and dealt with through the British legal system as the law demands. Heartless . How is that Heartless? ... I bet some people were not even at home at the time & now they are milking it for all it is worth., granted to the people who lost loved ones etc, it is terrible & all the help should be given, but to the ones that have just lost a flat, possessions etc...what is the issue? I thought Council houses are mostly owned by the local council (surprise!) and rented out at reduced rates to those on welfare/benefits? Ok, some may have owned their houses, but I would presume they had insurance? I hope the ones deserving get the help, but I hope they weed out the others, what about this guy... metro.co.uk/2017/06/29/man-arrested-after-lying-he-lost-family-in-grenfell-tower-to-get-money-6744453/Carl
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Post by rat on Jul 5, 2017 19:02:42 GMT
Heartless . How is that Heartless? ... I bet some people were not even at home at the time & now they are milking it for all it is worth., granted to the people who lost loved ones etc, it is terrible & all the help should be given, but to the ones that have just lost a flat, possessions etc...what is the issue? I thought Council houses are mostly owned by the local council (surprise!) and rented out at reduced rates to those on welfare/benefits? Ok, some may have owned their houses, but I would presume they had insurance? I hope the ones deserving get the help, but I hope they weed out the others, what about this guy... metro.co.uk/2017/06/29/man-arrested-after-lying-he-lost-family-in-grenfell-tower-to-get-money-6744453/Carl So you agree that these people , the ones who have suffered massive trauma , loss of a home , possibly loss of a loved one should be charged ? That is what is heartless . And you agree with that shit ? Nice one .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 19:10:57 GMT
How is that Heartless? ... I bet some people were not even at home at the time & now they are milking it for all it is worth., granted to the people who lost loved ones etc, it is terrible & all the help should be given, but to the ones that have just lost a flat, possessions etc...what is the issue? I thought Council houses are mostly owned by the local council (surprise!) and rented out at reduced rates to those on welfare/benefits? Ok, some may have owned their houses, but I would presume they had insurance? I hope the ones deserving get the help, but I hope they weed out the others, what about this guy... metro.co.uk/2017/06/29/man-arrested-after-lying-he-lost-family-in-grenfell-tower-to-get-money-6744453/Carl So you agree that these people , the ones who have suffered massive trauma , loss of a home , possibly loss of a loved one should be charged ? That is what is heartless . And you agree with that shit ? Nice one . Charged for what? sorry I don't understand? the ones that have lost loved ones etc, I get, but to the people who were not there and have not lost loved ones & trying to get what they can, than I have a issue with that. TEST
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Post by rat on Jul 5, 2017 19:15:17 GMT
So you agree that these people , the ones who have suffered massive trauma , loss of a home , possibly loss of a loved one should be charged ? That is what is heartless . And you agree with that shit ? Nice one . Charged for what? sorry I don't understand? the ones that have lost loved ones etc, I get, but to the people who were not there and have not lost loved ones & trying to get what they can, than I have a issue with that. TEST Try reading the post properly mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 19:33:06 GMT
Oh ok, sorry, I started at page 2 and worked down...point taken
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Post by starkiller on Jul 5, 2017 19:49:10 GMT
I think every fire in the country should be reported on, as to make a change from dog-attack reporting.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 5, 2017 20:54:38 GMT
How is that Heartless? ... I bet some people were not even at home at the time & now they are milking it for all it is worth., granted to the people who lost loved ones etc, it is terrible & all the help should be given, but to the ones that have just lost a flat, possessions etc...what is the issue? I thought Council houses are mostly owned by the local council (surprise!) and rented out at reduced rates to those on welfare/benefits? Ok, some may have owned their houses, but I would presume they had insurance? I hope the ones deserving get the help, but I hope they weed out the others, what about this guy... metro.co.uk/2017/06/29/man-arrested-after-lying-he-lost-family-in-grenfell-tower-to-get-money-6744453/Carl So you agree that these people , the ones who have suffered massive trauma , loss of a home , possibly loss of a loved one should be charged ? That is what is heartless . And you agree with that shit ? Nice one . Try reading my post yourself vermin, nowhere I have mentioned charging anyone other than the scum sub letting council owned property, why the fcuk is that heartless pea brain.
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Post by rat on Jul 5, 2017 21:00:58 GMT
So you agree that these people , the ones who have suffered massive trauma , loss of a home , possibly loss of a loved one should be charged ? That is what is heartless . And you agree with that shit ? Nice one . Try reading my post yourself vermin, nowhere I have mentioned charging anyone other than the scum sub letting council owned property, why the fcuk is that heartless pea brain. On the Grenfell thread ? You think that's appropriate then ?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 5, 2017 21:11:48 GMT
Try reading my post yourself vermin, nowhere I have mentioned charging anyone other than the scum sub letting council owned property, why the fcuk is that heartless pea brain. On the Grenfell thread ? You think that's appropriate then ? As it appears to have played a part in these peoples deaths as well as the task of identifying who and how many have perished the answer is 100% YES. These people are criminals they should be dealt with as criminals and punished as the law of our country dictates, do you believe these people should be given immunity and why ?
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Post by rat on Jul 5, 2017 21:23:35 GMT
On the Grenfell thread ? You think that's appropriate then ? As it appears to have played a part in these peoples deaths as well as the task of identifying who and how many have perished the answer is 100% YES. These people are criminals they should be dealt with as criminals and punished as the law of our country dictates, do you believe these people should be given immunity and why ? Can you stop baying for somebody to prosecuted , just for a moment , in order to consider the broader context of why one of the richest countries on the planet has these sorts of squalid social conditions , right smack bang in the middle of the country's richest borough , in the first place ? Could it be that these intolerable inner city private landlord/tenant " not worth £2 a square metre on cladding" ghetto's actually exist because of the very way UK social housing policy is being totally neglected and underinvested by the ..... you know who party ?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 5, 2017 21:32:25 GMT
As it appears to have played a part in these peoples deaths as well as the task of identifying who and how many have perished the answer is 100% YES. These people are criminals they should be dealt with as criminals and punished as the law of our country dictates, do you believe these people should be given immunity and why ? Can you stop baying for somebody to prosecuted , just for a moment , in order to consider the broader context of why one of the richest countries on the planet has these sorts of squalid social conditions , right smack bang in the middle of the country's richest borough , in the first place ? Could it be that these intolerable inner city private landlord/tenant " not worth £2 a square metre on cladding" ghetto's actually exist because of the very way UK social housing policy is being totally neglected and underinvested by the ..... you know who party ? I thought the left wing liberals were baying for prosecutions regarding this disaster are you saying that has changed ??????
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 5, 2017 21:33:04 GMT
Some of the posts on here are utterly despicable...seriously.
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Post by rat on Jul 5, 2017 21:37:36 GMT
Can you stop baying for somebody to prosecuted , just for a moment , in order to consider the broader context of why one of the richest countries on the planet has these sorts of squalid social conditions , right smack bang in the middle of the country's richest borough , in the first place ? Could it be that these intolerable inner city private landlord/tenant " not worth £2 a square metre on cladding" ghetto's actually exist because of the very way UK social housing policy is being totally neglected and underinvested by the ..... you know who party ? I thought the left wing liberals were baying for prosecutions regarding this disaster are you saying that has changed ?????? No , i'm inviting you to think about and comment on the larger government socio-economic policies that were directly attributable in creating the social conditions for the Grenfell disaster to happen .
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 5, 2017 21:39:00 GMT
I thought the left wing liberals were baying for prosecutions regarding this disaster are you saying that has changed ?????? No , i'm inviting you to think about and comment on the larger government socio-economic policies that were directly attributable in creating the social conditions for the Grenfell disaster to happen . Rat...he can't mate, mainly due to the fact that he's a nasty little daily mail racist.
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Post by rat on Jul 5, 2017 21:39:06 GMT
Some of the posts on here are utterly despicable...seriously. It's a new low for this board in my view Huddy . I find it very upsetting if i'm honest mate .
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 5, 2017 21:41:19 GMT
Some of the posts on here are utterly despicable...seriously. It's a new low for this board in my view Huddy . I find it very upsetting if i'm honest mate . Sadly I have to agree.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 5, 2017 21:44:40 GMT
I thought the left wing liberals were baying for prosecutions regarding this disaster are you saying that has changed ?????? No , i'm inviting you to think about and comment on the larger government socio-economic policies that were directly attributable in creating the social conditions for the Grenfell disaster to happen . Even for you that's absolute bollocks.
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Post by rat on Jul 5, 2017 21:48:19 GMT
No , i'm inviting you to think about and comment on the larger government socio-economic policies that were directly attributable in creating the social conditions for the Grenfell disaster to happen . Even for you that's absolute bollocks. Why is it ? Enlighten us Todge . Tell us why Tory social housing policy is first rate ? Tell us why Tory social housing policy isn't responsible for these overcrowded , underfunded urban ghetto's . Tell us Todge .
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 5, 2017 21:59:27 GMT
Even for you that's absolute bollocks. Why is it ? Enlighten us Todge . Tell us why Tory social housing policy is first rate ? Tell us why Tory social housing policy isn't responsible for these overcrowded , underfunded urban ghetto's . Tell us Todge . Tory Social Housing policy..... Tory social housing policy..... repeat to fade..... You see this where your hobby breaks down. You "invite" Carps to discuss the "larger government socio-economic policies" but really you just want to trade personal insults with him and quote some personal Leftist cobblers.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 5, 2017 22:01:24 GMT
Some of the posts on here are utterly despicable...seriously. Hello Paul I take it you agree with illegal sub letting of social housing then ??????? I imagined you liberal types would be against such blatant capitalist illegal profit making activities on the back of ermm hard working disadvantaged tax paying UK citizens, you shock me Sir shame on you.
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Post by rat on Jul 5, 2017 22:03:52 GMT
Why is it ? Enlighten us Todge . Tell us why Tory social housing policy is first rate ? Tell us why Tory social housing policy isn't responsible for these overcrowded , underfunded urban ghetto's . Tell us Todge . Tory Social Housing policy..... Tory social housing policy..... repeat to fade..... You see this where your hobby breaks down. You "invite" Carps to discuss the "larger government socio-economic policies" but really you just want to trade personal insults with him and quote some personal Leftist cobblers. No Todge, that's not true mate . I'm encouraging him to explore the broader picture a little bit . A light thought exercise......swim upstream a little ..... away from his usual spawning grounds ....... come into my world
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 5, 2017 22:16:47 GMT
Some of the posts on here are utterly despicable...seriously. Hello Paul I take it you agree with illegal sub letting of social housing then ??????? I imagined you liberal types would be against such blatant capitalist illegal profit making activities on the back of ermm hard working disadvantaged tax paying UK citizens, you shock me Sir shame on you. You haven't the first fucking clue have you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 5:16:32 GMT
Some of the posts on here are utterly despicable...seriously. Hello Paul I take it you agree with illegal sub letting of social housing then ??????? I imagined you liberal types would be against such blatant capitalist illegal profit making activities on the back of ermm hard working disadvantaged tax paying UK citizens, you shock me Sir shame on you. Alf was gonna sublet himself, a family of asylum seekers in his bedsit, but even after he cleared out all of his empty cans of tramp juice and is impressive back catalogue of Big Issue there simply was not enough room for all 8 of them. So it's just him and his mongrel Tramp Dog for now... Mr Wendell..... Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 5:37:45 GMT
There are two very different parts of Kensington & Chelsea. It is the area in UK with the largest difference between the mean and median salary. Grenfell Tower and that area is in one of the poorer areas.
I agree absolutely that those who were bona fide tenants should absolutely be rehoused - its just that there isn't exactly a huge number of like-for-like properties available. Should they expect/be given places in the wealthy area (which, for similar properties, you could easily be looking at double the figure for rent costs)? Can you force the private market to suddenly grant more dwellings for social housing (bearing in mind that any development which has more than 8 dwellings must offer social housing)? Then throw in proximity to schools that their kids go to. It's really not an easy or quick task to find those available properties and get the agreement in place before being able to offer them.
Public expense should, in such circumstances, help out those that need it - it should not be to a detriment to them, but it should not be abused either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 11:25:37 GMT
I thought Council houses are mostly owned by the local council (surprise!) and rented out at reduced rates to those on welfare/benefits? Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/269565/re-housing-grenfell-residents#ixzz4m37YQPYoUnfortunately that's what the TV and Rich of this country would like you to think. Not all council tenants are on benefits, many families are hard working and just in low paid jobs. However programmes like Benefits Britain have brainwashed the uneducated rich into believing anyone without a mortgage is a scrounger. A lower class, dragging the country down ...etc...etc. Contrary to that is the fact that most people who live in council housing are working long hours on low paid jobs trying their best to climb the ladder into their own property and a better future for their children. I can tell you this is not easy.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 6, 2017 11:28:30 GMT
Hello Paul I take it you agree with illegal sub letting of social housing then ??????? I imagined you liberal types would be against such blatant capitalist illegal profit making activities on the back of ermm hard working disadvantaged tax paying UK citizens, you shock me Sir shame on you. Alf was gonna sublet himself, a family of asylum seekers in his bedsit, but even after he cleared out all of his empty cans of tramp juice and is impressive back catalogue of Big Issue there simply was not enough room for all 8 of them. So it's just him and his mongrel Tramp Dog for now... Mr Wendell..... View AttachmentI pity you, I really do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 11:31:16 GMT
Alf was gonna sublet himself, a family of asylum seekers in his bedsit, but even after he cleared out all of his empty cans of tramp juice and is impressive back catalogue of Big Issue there simply was not enough room for all 8 of them. So it's just him and his mongrel Tramp Dog for now... Mr Wendell..... View AttachmentI pity you, I really do. Thanks for your concern, next time I'm in The UK maybe you can sling a can of your Tramp Juice my way...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 11:33:05 GMT
Some of the posts on here are utterly despicable...seriously. Does it make you feel as sick as it did me after listening to corbyn using the disaster as a political football?
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