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Post by harryburrows on Jun 16, 2017 15:16:37 GMT
Margaret thatcher best summed up socialism " eventually they always run out of other people's money " |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 16, 2017 15:19:27 GMT
If you are correct about the rendering then that's a disgrace and people should be held to account. But it doesn't excuse Corbyns' behaviour. What dross. The one politician the affected have given praise to is Corbyn. He's been fighting their fight for over thirty years. This happened due to a corrupt political system. Corbyn's behaviour has been fine.  Ever since Corbyn's "Gentler, kinder politics" bullshit the Nation has never been more divided and the Left never more violent in it's rhetoric and actions. He's a lying Marxist. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 16, 2017 15:44:29 GMT
There is a case to answer, and there may be some truth in what you say (Although if someone offered to pay me 90k out of the public purse to render my house I'd wouldn't be feeling hard done by) But Corbyn was trying to make political capital out of this before the facts were known, before the dead were counted. And that was shocking. The Times are reporting this morning, the tower block was 'rendered' with panels that were not fire resistant and cost £22. Fire resistant panels cost £24. An estimated £5,000 pounds was saved in doing this - a saving made to keep profits high, but resulted in the death of an estimated 100 people (likely more). The facts were known and have been known for some time. The risks were repeatedly raised by the tenants groups over a year ago. This is not a single case and individual incident, tower blocks across London are in similar unsafe and dangerous conditions. This is inherently political. It's about class and power. Working-class housing in inner London, in particular housing which has a large ethnic minority occupancy, is dangerous and unfit for living. This was known before this disaster, and has been a subject of campaigns for decades. Labour and Conservative councils in London have failed to act, working in conjunction with profit-driven landlords. This. This is the absolute bollocks going around this board and social media. Post a link to the £22 panels and the £24 panels and the signed off documents between the Housing association and the contractors. If fire proofed material should have been used but wasn't then this has nothing to do with Theresa May. Corbyn's Left captured beautifully in a post. 1st paragraph - totally unsubstantiated narrative. 2nd paragraph - report this as 'facts' and add more made up sensationalism into the mix. 3rd - paragraph - pivot the situation to be totally political. Ethnic minorities are being shafted... "profit driven landlords" etc, etc. The problem with this is that some people believe this fabricated narrative. The same people who are trying to storm a town hall meeting as I type. What if there are injuries at that meeting. Do you feel responsible? |
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Post by mozalini on Jun 16, 2017 18:42:32 GMT
The Times are reporting this morning, the tower block was 'rendered' with panels that were not fire resistant and cost £22. Fire resistant panels cost £24. An estimated £5,000 pounds was saved in doing this - a saving made to keep profits high, but resulted in the death of an estimated 100 people (likely more). The facts were known and have been known for some time. The risks were repeatedly raised by the tenants groups over a year ago. This is not a single case and individual incident, tower blocks across London are in similar unsafe and dangerous conditions. This is inherently political. It's about class and power. Working-class housing in inner London, in particular housing which has a large ethnic minority occupancy, is dangerous and unfit for living. This was known before this disaster, and has been a subject of campaigns for decades. Labour and Conservative councils in London have failed to act, working in conjunction with profit-driven landlords. This. This is the absolute bollocks going around this board and social media. Post a link to the £22 panels and the £24 panels and the signed off documents between the Housing association and the contractors. If fire proofed material should have been used but wasn't then this has nothing to do with Theresa May. Corbyn's Left captured beautifully in a post. 1st paragraph - totally unsubstantiated narrative. 2nd paragraph - report this as 'facts' and add more made up sensationalism into the mix. 3rd - paragraph - pivot the situation to be totally political. Ethnic minorities are being shafted... "profit driven landlords" etc, etc. The problem with this is that some people believe this fabricated narrative. The same people who are trying to storm a town hall meeting as I type. What if there are injuries at that meeting. Do you feel responsible? The original source is from the Murdoch owned Times - the bastion of the left. If you aren't happy with that source, here is a link to the Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3806536/cladding-grenfell-tower-flammable-cheap/) or the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/manufacturer-of-cladding-on-grenfell-tower-identified-as-omnis-exteriors), both have confirmations from the manufacturer that the cladding used was the cheaper flammable one. Here is a list of Tory MPs who voted in 2016 against legislation which would have ensured private landlords made certain their homes were “fit for human habitation” (https://www.indy100.com/article/72-mps-vote-human-habitation-living-standards-private-landlords-grenfell-tower-7790891). This has got something to do with the Conservative Party. Please don't assume my political affiliations. As I have shown in the post you quoted, I am equally scathing about housing conditions in Labour-run councils across London as well. I won't demonstrate again how the situation is inherently political, because however much I wrote you would never agree with me. Because as much as you think I am a blind-sighted leftie, I think you are a blind-sighted right-wing apologist for capital, who has probably never read anything beyond the Sun, Mail, or Express. An estimated 100 people (or over) have died, the tenants group repeatedly brought up the the problems which caused the fire through the official channels, nothing was done. It gets to a stage when direct action is the only means available. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 24, 2017 21:12:44 GMT
Because Corbyn's Labour is made up of dicks like this one....
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Post by manmarking on Jun 24, 2017 23:23:35 GMT
Because Corbyn's Labour is made up of dicks like this one.... Except for the minor fact that it doesn't mention anything in the article about him being a member of the Labour Party. In fact it notes that he stood as a parliamentary candidate for a different party. Golly, you don't half talk some shite, todge  |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 24, 2017 23:46:55 GMT
Because Corbyn's Labour is made up of dicks like this one.... Except for the minor fact that it doesn't mention anything in the article about him being a member of the Labour Party. In fact it notes that he stood as a parliamentary candidate for a different party. Golly, you don't half talk some shite, todge Apart from the fact that he's quoted in that article as saying; "I will also assist in the process of defending Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party, against the co-ordinated attacks of the Tories, the Blairites and the right wing in the Labour Party." During his rant on QT he said; "Jeremy Corbyn has proven that anti-austerity policies are popular, that's the question. The Tories and the Blairites lost that election"He then chants "Tax the rich... tax the rich" And you don't think this guy aligns/advocates/backs/adheres/promotes/champions/defends/upholds/believes with Corbyn's Labour Party. You're a clown. |
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Post by manmarking on Jun 25, 2017 6:42:31 GMT
Except for the minor fact that it doesn't mention anything in the article about him being a member of the Labour Party. In fact it notes that he stood as a parliamentary candidate for a different party. Golly, you don't half talk some shite, todge Apart from the fact that he's quoted in that article as saying; "I will also assist in the process of defending Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party, against the co-ordinated attacks of the Tories, the Blairites and the right wing in the Labour Party." During his rant on QT he said; "Jeremy Corbyn has proven that anti-austerity policies are popular, that's the question. The Tories and the Blairites lost that election"He then chants "Tax the rich... tax the rich" And you don't think this guy aligns with Corbyn's Labour Party. You're a clown. "Aligns with" is rather different from " Corbyn's Labour is made up of dicks like this" though. Your previous statement implied he's actually in the Labour Party, which he's presumably not. It stands to reason that those on the far left would want Corbyn to remain as Labour leader - he's the first "proper" left wing candidate with a realistic chance of getting elected for over 30 years. Not extreme enough for them but even extremists understand that you can't always get what you want  Just like a fair share of equally far right people will "align with" the Tories because, out of the electable options, it's the closest choice they have. It doesn't mean that either party is "made up of" people like that; they can't affect that I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 25, 2017 7:06:56 GMT
and also only supreme knuckle draggers think that Trident is money well spent ffs. just keep punching yourself in the face captain!!...guess some people are born to lick their master's arse You call me a knuckle dragger and then resort to insults. Hmm pot and kettle perhaps.
Do you know how many men the Chinese sent over the border in the Korean War? 1 million is the answer to prop up the North Korean regime.
We have never made peace with North Korea it is only a cease fire.
What do you think we would use to stop them if they develop the nuclear weapon that they are working on right now. Oh did you think that just the Americans were in the Korean War? Too much Hollywood, we were there too. The two new carriers that have no planes and which we can only afford to deploy one of. Or the 144,000 total man power of the combined services (approx.)
No like it or not our nuclear deterrent is a necessary evil and it is nuclear weapons that have reduced the world powers to skirmishes in other countries and so far prevented WWlll. In my opinion as a knuckle dragger that is.
Learn to debate rather than insult, then people might listen to what you say.
This is the way the lefty tree huggers are taught to debate though revival. If they aren't winning a discussion or failing to get a point across then resort to personal insults and abuse. Just read through many of the political threads on this mb and you'll get my drift. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 25, 2017 8:21:22 GMT
Apart from the fact that he's quoted in that article as saying; "I will also assist in the process of defending Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party, against the co-ordinated attacks of the Tories, the Blairites and the right wing in the Labour Party." During his rant on QT he said; "Jeremy Corbyn has proven that anti-austerity policies are popular, that's the question. The Tories and the Blairites lost that election"He then chants "Tax the rich... tax the rich" And you don't think this guy aligns with Corbyn's Labour Party. You're a clown. "Aligns with" is rather different from " Corbyn's Labour is made up of dicks like this" though. Your previous statement implied he's actually in the Labour Party, which he's presumably not. It stands to reason that those on the far left would want Corbyn to remain as Labour leader - he's the first "proper" left wing candidate with a realistic chance of getting elected for over 30 years. Not extreme enough for them but even extremists understand that you can't always get what you want Just like a fair share of equally far right people will "align with" the Tories because, out of the electable options, it's the closest choice they have. It doesn't mean that either party is "made up of" people like that; they can't affect that I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny? We've got a puppy like you. Always desperate for attention, sometimes a bit nippy but ultimately we have to tell her where to take a shit. |
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Post by manmarking on Jun 25, 2017 10:31:59 GMT
"Aligns with" is rather different from " Corbyn's Labour is made up of dicks like this" though. Your previous statement implied he's actually in the Labour Party, which he's presumably not. It stands to reason that those on the far left would want Corbyn to remain as Labour leader - he's the first "proper" left wing candidate with a realistic chance of getting elected for over 30 years. Not extreme enough for them but even extremists understand that you can't always get what you want Just like a fair share of equally far right people will "align with" the Tories because, out of the electable options, it's the closest choice they have. It doesn't mean that either party is "made up of" people like that; they can't affect that I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny? We've got a puppy like you. Always desperate for attention, sometimes a bit nippy but ultimately we have to tell her where to take a shit. That's sweet. Safe to say she's also more au fait with politics and economics than you Still, nice that you got to spend some quality time with her during your little "wipe the foam off yer gobhole" meltdown sin bin session. Welcome back, fella |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 25, 2017 11:44:54 GMT
We've got a puppy like you. Always desperate for attention, sometimes a bit nippy but ultimately we have to tell her where to take a shit. That's sweet. Safe to say she's also more au fait with politics and economics than you Still, nice that you got to spend some quality time with her during your little "wipe the foam off yer gobhole" meltdown sin bin session. Welcome back, fella Aww didums, did the nasty man swear at her. Did she tell mummy? |
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Post by manmarking on Jun 25, 2017 16:33:36 GMT
That's sweet. Safe to say she's also more au fait with politics and economics than you Still, nice that you got to spend some quality time with her during your little "wipe the foam off yer gobhole" meltdown sin bin session. Welcome back, fella Aww didums, did the nasty man swear at her. Did she tell mummy? Lol! If you think I'd report a featherweight like you to Admin, todge, you're even more self-consumed than I thought The abuse you dish out is negligible, fella. Albeit superior to many on here, I'll give you that. But I'm afraid I've enjoyed receiving - and doling out - much, much worse Might have something to do with Admin asking us both to chill out, me doing so and you ignoring them. But then you'd have to ask them really. And I'm sure you know that anyway |
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