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Post by Boothen on Jun 14, 2017 21:00:41 GMT
No, I don't mean that at all. I mean a man who openly pledged his support for his 'friends' in both Hamas and Hezbollah. show the quote Liar
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Post by stockportstokie on Jun 14, 2017 21:09:24 GMT
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Post by redstriper on Jun 14, 2017 21:15:54 GMT
With the London fire I see he's already made a statement hinting at government culpability. Bringing politics into it before the fire is even out. And you can't see why some people dislike him ? the tories are the biggest threat to all of us and it needs to be said. enemies of the people and its a disgrace the press aren't fucking destroying them over the cuts that are killing people. That's your opinion. There's nearly a million more people who disagree with you than agree.
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Post by yeswilko on Jun 14, 2017 21:43:44 GMT
he is inviting different groups to talk to try and bring about peace, its not hard to fathom is it? where did he say he supported them? how do you suppose bringing about peace without calm discussions?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 11:36:55 GMT
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jun 15, 2017 11:54:18 GMT
You forget terrorist supporter. you mean a man who helped to bring two sides to the table to eventually bring some peace in northern ireland? He had no involvement with the Good Friday agreement process. None whatsoever and this has been confirmed by both sides "of the fence". So he did NOT bring them to the table at all. Stop re-writing history for your own means.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 15, 2017 12:18:52 GMT
Its bizarre that you cant see the massive difference in this new movement taking place, one that has the working people and those let down in recent years truly at the forefront of it all. its as if you are truly more at home with the nastiness that the tories are putting out there than the hope that Corbyn's Labour are bringing to the public servants, low paid and the unfortunately disabled ordinary folks in society. What the fuck is wrong with you? is it some hope that the cuts will never affect you and that some day you will be rich and on the winning side? its very strange to say the least. 1 Anti Nuke
2 Open Borders
3 His policies do NOTHING to help me, surprisingly no one from Labour wanted to speak to me either on the phone or the doorstep.
4 Tree hugger and I hate tree huggers. 65 million people on a bus eating salad. We give pensioners a bus pass when they can't bloody walk to the bus stop and would probably die of old age waiting for one to turn up. What about giving them free taxis instead that might actually help them.
5 This alone is enough, Dianne Abott. I don't care if she has got type 2 bloody spitting image disease. this woman should be no where near a cabinet post and anyone who thinks she should must be ........thinking of a pc term here..............NUTTERS. just to be even here Boris is exactly the same the man is sixpence short of a shilling.
6 New movement my arse its the same shit that Michael Foot peddled years ago.
Understand now I've seen this leftist crap before and as usual it does not benefit me one little bit.
Labour lost my vote at point 1 then confirmed I was right on point 2.
You must be a millionaire who never uses ANY public services then.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 15, 2017 13:10:23 GMT
The Northern Ireland Peace Process began under a Conservative government. Nice attempt at re-writing history though.
It seems the OP has asked a question, didn't like some of the answers he received so resorted to abuse...the tolerant left exposed once more.
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Post by yeswilko on Jun 15, 2017 17:04:50 GMT
you mean a man who helped to bring two sides to the table to eventually bring some peace in northern ireland? He had no involvement with the Good Friday agreement process. None whatsoever and this has been confirmed by both sides "of the fence". So he did NOT bring them to the table at all. Stop re-writing history for your own means. he openly talked of the possibilities of peace if the two sides could get together for talks. As an MP that is helping to bring peace is it not?
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Post by yeswilko on Jun 15, 2017 17:05:50 GMT
The Northern Ireland Peace Process began under a Conservative government. Nice attempt at re-writing history though. It seems the OP has asked a question, didn't like some of the answers he received so resorted to abuse...the tolerant left exposed once more. re-writing history??!!! hahaha
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Post by desman2 on Jun 15, 2017 17:41:11 GMT
With the London fire I see he's already made a statement hinting at government culpability. Bringing politics into it before the fire is even out. And you can't see why some people dislike him ? the tories are the biggest threat to all of us and it needs to be said. enemies of the people and its a disgrace the press aren't fucking destroying them over the cuts that are killing people. If you mean NHS cuts then im afraid the money is there . Its going to pay for the PFI disaster caused by one T Blair. What it means is that our glorious hospital here in Stoke cost 415m to build, but with interest and repayment of the loans the cost will escalate to 2.4bn by the time its paid off. Multiply that by the countrywide network and maybe youll understand that this is where the money is going in huge chunks. That is what is fucking the patients up.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 15, 2017 17:57:14 GMT
It's what he doesn't say. Hamas until May 1st this year were committed to the destruction of the state of Israel. Not sure I'd call anyone committed to the destruction of an state a friend.
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Post by mozalini on Jun 15, 2017 17:58:43 GMT
With the London fire I see he's already made a statement hinting at government culpability. Bringing politics into it before the fire is even out. And you can't see why some people dislike him ? The fire and deaths at Grenfell Tower are the inevitable consequences of a system which promotes profits over human life. Whilst £10 million pounds was spent on the facade of the building to gentrify it for Kensington's wealthiest residents, nothing was spent on sprinklers or fire doors. Any work that had been done on the tower had been done to the lowest of standards to maintain the highest profits. The risk of fire was repeatedly raised by the tenants group, however, it was simply dismissed by the landlord and council. We are told on the front page of George Osbourne's Evening Standard that "we stand together in grief". However, the events at Latimer Road outline the glaring divisions in our society. This would of and has never has happened in any of London's multi-billion pound 'apartment blocks', but does happen in poor working-class social housing blocks. It happened in Camberwell in 2009 and has happened again this week. It is entirely political, any attempt to depoliticise it is an insult to those who have lost everything and those who have tragically died. Ultimately, it is the most damning indictment of the current economic and political system.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 18:52:37 GMT
1 Anti Nuke
2 Open Borders
3 His policies do NOTHING to help me, surprisingly no one from Labour wanted to speak to me either on the phone or the doorstep.
4 Tree hugger and I hate tree huggers. 65 million people on a bus eating salad. We give pensioners a bus pass when they can't bloody walk to the bus stop and would probably die of old age waiting for one to turn up. What about giving them free taxis instead that might actually help them.
5 This alone is enough, Dianne Abott. I don't care if she has got type 2 bloody spitting image disease. this woman should be no where near a cabinet post and anyone who thinks she should must be ........thinking of a pc term here..............NUTTERS. just to be even here Boris is exactly the same the man is sixpence short of a shilling.
6 New movement my arse its the same shit that Michael Foot peddled years ago.
Understand now I've seen this leftist crap before and as usual it does not benefit me one little bit.
Labour lost my vote at point 1 then confirmed I was right on point 2.
You must be a millionaire who never uses ANY public services then. Well I do get a prescription, however I only get it because I need it to live otherwise it would be removed like my Dentist and my Optician which have been removed. I get zero benefits so no increase in them or on a plus side no decrease either. I don't use Trains or Buses I share a 15 tear old car with the wife and get no mobility.
I don't even have a million hairs on my head =)
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Post by stockportstokie on Jun 15, 2017 20:44:33 GMT
It's what he doesn't say. Hamas until May 1st this year were committed to the destruction of the state of Israel. Not sure I'd call anyone committed to the destruction of an state a friend. And Israel for all intents and purposes actually enacted the destruction of the state of Palestine. Hezbollah & Hamas were seen as freedom fighters by the populace of the lands being captured by use of the Israeli's military force. They've subsequently been draped in the cloak of democracy so like it or not bringing around the negotiating table the democratically elected officials is the grown up sensible thing to do. If you watched it's advised Israel were invited to attend but they refused. I'm sure Corbyn would've referred to them as friends too had they shown. There is no sensible basis that stand up to the scrutiny of logic on which to criticise Corbyn in relation to that video.
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Post by sticky on Jun 15, 2017 21:47:12 GMT
Like marmite Jezza is, personally I can't stand the guy but some people love him!
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jun 15, 2017 22:39:16 GMT
He had no involvement with the Good Friday agreement process. None whatsoever and this has been confirmed by both sides "of the fence". So he did NOT bring them to the table at all. Stop re-writing history for your own means. he openly talked of the possibilities of peace if the two sides could get together for talks. As an MP that is helping to bring peace is it not? He openly talked.... lots of people openly talked about it.. on the streets, between neighbors, in parliament, in business... but they were not the ones sat "around the table" and neither was Corbyn. Trying to gain some credence by the fact he was an MP at the time is like saying I'm best mates with Prince Harry and William because we were at sandhurst at the same time!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 5:54:57 GMT
With the London fire I see he's already made a statement hinting at government culpability. Bringing politics into it before the fire is even out. And you can't see why some people dislike him ? the tories are the biggest threat to all of us and it needs to be said. enemies of the people and its a disgrace the press aren't fucking destroying them over the cuts that are killing people. I can totally understand people been drawn in by corbyn but..... Have a good look at Greece today that'll give you an idea of what a corbyn's Britain would look like. its fucking fantasy land. and no the tories aren't the long term answer
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 16, 2017 6:18:32 GMT
It's what he doesn't say. Hamas until May 1st this year were committed to the destruction of the state of Israel. Not sure I'd call anyone committed to the destruction of an state a friend. Maybe not. But if you lived in Gaza you'd vote for them.
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Post by partickpotter on Jun 16, 2017 9:02:48 GMT
It's what he doesn't say. Hamas until May 1st this year were committed to the destruction of the state of Israel. Not sure I'd call anyone committed to the destruction of an state a friend. And Israel for all intents and purposes actually enacted the destruction of the state of Palestine. Hezbollah & Hamas were seen as freedom fighters by the populace of the lands being captured by use of the Israeli's military force. They've subsequently been draped in the cloak of democracy so like it or not bringing around the negotiating table the democratically elected officials is the grown up sensible thing to do. If you watched it's advised Israel were invited to attend but they refused. I'm sure Corbyn would've referred to them as friends too had they shown. There is no sensible basis that stand up to the scrutiny of logic on which to criticise Corbyn in relation to that video. No question in my mind that Israel's conduct towards Palestine, at times, has been criminal; specifically their use of disproportionate force. But two wrongs don't make a right. Which is effectively what you are saying. Hamas policy of destroying Israel was unacceptable. It's a positive sign that has been dropped.
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Post by redstriper on Jun 16, 2017 11:17:41 GMT
With the London fire I see he's already made a statement hinting at government culpability. Bringing politics into it before the fire is even out. And you can't see why some people dislike him ? The fire and deaths at Grenfell Tower are the inevitable consequences of a system which promotes profits over human life. Whilst £10 million pounds was spent on the facade of the building to gentrify it for Kensington's wealthiest residents, nothing was spent on sprinklers or fire doors. Any work that had been done on the tower had been done to the lowest of standards to maintain the highest profits. The risk of fire was repeatedly raised by the tenants group, however, it was simply dismissed by the landlord and council. We are told on the front page of George Osbourne's Evening Standard that "we stand together in grief". However, the events at Latimer Road outline the glaring divisions in our society. This would of and has never has happened in any of London's multi-billion pound 'apartment blocks', but does happen in poor working-class social housing blocks. It happened in Camberwell in 2009 and has happened again this week. It is entirely political, any attempt to depoliticise it is an insult to those who have lost everything and those who have tragically died. Ultimately, it is the most damning indictment of the current economic and political system. There is a case to answer, and there may be some truth in what you say (Although if someone offered to pay me 90k out of the public purse to render my house I'd wouldn't be feeling hard done by) But Corbyn was trying to make political capital out of this before the facts were known, before the dead were counted. And that was shocking.
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Post by mozalini on Jun 16, 2017 11:42:58 GMT
The fire and deaths at Grenfell Tower are the inevitable consequences of a system which promotes profits over human life. Whilst £10 million pounds was spent on the facade of the building to gentrify it for Kensington's wealthiest residents, nothing was spent on sprinklers or fire doors. Any work that had been done on the tower had been done to the lowest of standards to maintain the highest profits. The risk of fire was repeatedly raised by the tenants group, however, it was simply dismissed by the landlord and council. We are told on the front page of George Osbourne's Evening Standard that "we stand together in grief". However, the events at Latimer Road outline the glaring divisions in our society. This would of and has never has happened in any of London's multi-billion pound 'apartment blocks', but does happen in poor working-class social housing blocks. It happened in Camberwell in 2009 and has happened again this week. It is entirely political, any attempt to depoliticise it is an insult to those who have lost everything and those who have tragically died. Ultimately, it is the most damning indictment of the current economic and political system. There is a case to answer, and there may be some truth in what you say (Although if someone offered to pay me 90k out of the public purse to render my house I'd wouldn't be feeling hard done by) But Corbyn was trying to make political capital out of this before the facts were known, before the dead were counted. And that was shocking. The Times are reporting this morning, the tower block was 'rendered' with panels that were not fire resistant and cost £22. Fire resistant panels cost £24. An estimated £5,000 pounds was saved in doing this - a saving made to keep profits high, but resulted in the death of an estimated 100 people (likely more). The facts were known and have been known for some time. The risks were repeatedly raised by the tenants groups over a year ago. This is not a single case and individual incident, tower blocks across London are in similar unsafe and dangerous conditions. This is inherently political. It's about class and power. Working-class housing in inner London, in particular housing which has a large ethnic minority occupancy, is dangerous and unfit for living. This was known before this disaster, and has been a subject of campaigns for decades. Labour and Conservative councils in London have failed to act, working in conjunction with profit-driven landlords.
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Post by lordb on Jun 16, 2017 12:19:19 GMT
Like marmite Jezza is, personally I can't stand the guy but some people love him! do you like Marmite though?
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 12:28:15 GMT
the tories are the biggest threat to all of us and it needs to be said. enemies of the people and its a disgrace the press aren't fucking destroying them over the cuts that are killing people. I can totally understand people been drawn in by corbyn but..... Have a good look at Greece today that'll give you an idea of what a corbyn's Britain would look like. its fucking fantasy land. and no the tories aren't the long term answer Fraise, Greece is the way it is because of a very different set of economic policies to the ones Corbyn is advocating. The EU doesn't like his economics - as evidenced by them inflicting the most severe programme of austerity in history on Greece
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Post by manmarking on Jun 16, 2017 12:31:42 GMT
There is a case to answer, and there may be some truth in what you say (Although if someone offered to pay me 90k out of the public purse to render my house I'd wouldn't be feeling hard done by) But Corbyn was trying to make political capital out of this before the facts were known, before the dead were counted. And that was shocking. The Times are reporting this morning, the tower block was 'rendered' with panels that were not fire resistant and cost £22. Fire resistant panels cost £24. An estimated £5,000 pounds was saved in doing this - a saving made to keep profits high, but resulted in the death of an estimated 100 people (likely more). The facts were known and have been known for some time. The risks were repeatedly raised by the tenants groups over a year ago. This is not a single case and individual incident, tower blocks across London are in similar unsafe and dangerous conditions. This is inherently political. It's about class and power. Working-class housing in inner London, in particular housing which has a large ethnic minority occupancy, is dangerous and unfit for living. This was known before this disaster, and has been a subject of campaigns for decades. Labour and Conservative councils in London have failed to act, working in conjunction with profit-driven landlords. Excellent post mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 12:40:40 GMT
the tories are the biggest threat to all of us and it needs to be said. enemies of the people and its a disgrace the press aren't fucking destroying them over the cuts that are killing people. I can totally understand people been drawn in by corbyn but..... Have a good look at Greece today that'll give you an idea of what a corbyn's Britain would look like. its fucking fantasy land. and no the tories aren't the long term answer Not even a remotely appropriate comparator. Incredible how such a free thinker as yourself has bought into both the hegemony of neoliberalism, while also parroting a view that is not remotely based on reality, but displays significant economic illiteracy. The northern economies of Europe would be a better example to compare to, though Corbyn's manifesto does not go remotely as far as that of Sweden. Sweden's quite a wealthy country for one that has comparatively high public spending, no?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 13:10:56 GMT
Just as devastating Over borrowing, national debt these are different times than the manufacturing before the 70's and add the days before chancellor brown Then top it with 5 years of crazy corbyn
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Post by redstriper on Jun 16, 2017 13:45:39 GMT
There is a case to answer, and there may be some truth in what you say (Although if someone offered to pay me 90k out of the public purse to render my house I'd wouldn't be feeling hard done by) But Corbyn was trying to make political capital out of this before the facts were known, before the dead were counted. And that was shocking. The Times are reporting this morning, the tower block was 'rendered' with panels that were not fire resistant and cost £22. Fire resistant panels cost £24. An estimated £5,000 pounds was saved in doing this - a saving made to keep profits high, but resulted in the death of an estimated 100 people (likely more). The facts were known and have been known for some time. The risks were repeatedly raised by the tenants groups over a year ago. This is not a single case and individual incident, tower blocks across London are in similar unsafe and dangerous conditions. This is inherently political. It's about class and power. Working-class housing in inner London, in particular housing which has a large ethnic minority occupancy, is dangerous and unfit for living. This was known before this disaster, and has been a subject of campaigns for decades. Labour and Conservative councils in London have failed to act, working in conjunction with profit-driven landlords. If you are correct about the rendering then that's a disgrace and people should be held to account. But it doesn't excuse Corbyns' behaviour.
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Post by stockportstokie on Jun 16, 2017 14:42:42 GMT
The Times are reporting this morning, the tower block was 'rendered' with panels that were not fire resistant and cost £22. Fire resistant panels cost £24. An estimated £5,000 pounds was saved in doing this - a saving made to keep profits high, but resulted in the death of an estimated 100 people (likely more). The facts were known and have been known for some time. The risks were repeatedly raised by the tenants groups over a year ago. This is not a single case and individual incident, tower blocks across London are in similar unsafe and dangerous conditions. This is inherently political. It's about class and power. Working-class housing in inner London, in particular housing which has a large ethnic minority occupancy, is dangerous and unfit for living. This was known before this disaster, and has been a subject of campaigns for decades. Labour and Conservative councils in London have failed to act, working in conjunction with profit-driven landlords. If you are correct about the rendering then that's a disgrace and people should be held to account. But it doesn't excuse Corbyns' behaviour. What dross. The one politician the affected have given praise to is Corbyn. He's been fighting their fight for over thirty years. This happened due to a corrupt political system. Corbyn's behaviour has been fine.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 16, 2017 15:13:05 GMT
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