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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 18:12:51 GMT
Are you okay mate? No kids because they're not committed to the future? Hmmmm. Your hatred of the EU isn't normal. Thought you might rise to that one. Not rising mate. Just genuinely concerned that you might be losing the plot.
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Post by 4372 on Aug 14, 2019 18:15:50 GMT
If we manage to escape i think that the "EU" will make it a top priority to punish the UK. Barnier and Junker have said as much. Some on the EE board will ask" what do you expect?" Well if they genuinely want to cooperate with third countries and to help their own citizens then they should do their upmost to ensure smooth and productive relations. They should give the UK the respect that they would offer to any other country. I'm afraid that this project of ' Ever Closer Union", this vision for the European superstate, supercedes all else. It has been muted that the fact that Macron and Merkel don't have children has meant that they don't have a genuine commitment to the future. Not sure if that is true. But their extreme unchallengeable ideology is everything to them. … mooted, not muted...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 18:19:30 GMT
If we manage to escape i think that the "EU" will make it a top priority to punish the UK. Barnier and Junker have said as much. Some on the EE board will ask" what do you expect?" Well if they genuinely want to cooperate with third countries and to help their own citizens then they should do their upmost to ensure smooth and productive relations. They should give the UK the respect that they would offer to any other country. I'm afraid that this project of ' Ever Closer Union", this vision for the European superstate, supercedes all else. It has been muted that the fact that Macron and Merkel don't have children has meant that they don't have a genuine commitment to the future. Not sure if that is true. But their extreme unchallengeable ideology is everything to them. … mooted, not muted... Correct although it could be an appropriate word for one of yous
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 18:20:53 GMT
Thought you might rise to that one. Not rising mate. Just genuinely concerned that you might be losing the plot. No need to worry about me, you've got enough to concern yourself with. ( I don't think that your use of " genuine' means much)
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Post by 4372 on Aug 14, 2019 18:31:44 GMT
Correct although it could be an appropriate word for one of yous Thought you might rise to that one...
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 18:33:31 GMT
Not rising mate. Just genuinely concerned that you might be losing the plot. No need to worry about me, you've got enough to concern yourself with. ( I don't think that your use of " genuine' means much) Thought you might rise to that one too.
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Post by serpico on Aug 14, 2019 18:34:18 GMT
I’m not so sure the EU can afford to punish us without damaging themselves pretty badly in the processes ? Daniel Hannan once said that they would punish us even if it did affect the businesses and peoples of Europe. That's my point really , the project is more important than anything and the EU is a different entity than Europe. No doubt there are fanatics at the EU who would like to punish us, but what about the leaders of the various countries ? I’m not so sure they’d like to see any damage done to trade relations, Even Germany only just avoided a recession just lately.
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Post by sorethumbs on Aug 14, 2019 18:35:10 GMT
Even if that is the case, the exact opposite of what the leave campaign said would happen also happenedIm a bit confused, do you mean that they said we'd leave and we didn't ? I mean that basically everything that anyone said during the referendum has been proven to be bullshit. Whereas all the doom mongering and catastrophe predictions since the ref are all gospel according to you
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 18:38:30 GMT
Daniel Hannan once said that they would punish us even if it did affect the businesses and peoples of Europe. That's my point really , the project is more important than anything and the EU is a different entity than Europe. No doubt there are fanatics at the EU who would like to punish us, but what about the leaders of the various countries ? I’m not so sure they’d like to see any damage done to trade relations, Even Germany only just avoided a recession just lately. That is where it could all unravel
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Post by sorethumbs on Aug 14, 2019 18:56:24 GMT
So because you've 'witnessed people' it's obviously accepted it's a nationwide trend? Of the gains in employment figures - these are all 0hrs contracts are they? When you see Honda close it’s operations in Swindon, a truly massive site, you have to feel the pain... I do. But that's not relevant to your post. Nor is it related to Brexit
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 14, 2019 19:32:11 GMT
I’m not so sure the EU can afford to punish us without damaging themselves pretty badly in the processes ? Daniel Hannan once said that they would punish us even if it did affect the businesses and peoples of Europe. That's my point really , the project is more important than anything and the EU is a different entity than Europe. Oh a politician once said it. Then it must be true!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 19:44:35 GMT
Daniel Hannan once said that they would punish us even if it did affect the businesses and peoples of Europe. That's my point really , the project is more important than anything and the EU is a different entity than Europe. Oh a politician once said it. Then it must be true! Not necessarily.but Dan is usually pretty thoughtful. I think that there is truth and relevance in your insight that countries act in their own self interest and that Germany and France dominate the EU.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 14, 2019 19:46:50 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 14, 2019 19:49:27 GMT
I’m not so sure the EU can afford to punish us without damaging themselves pretty badly in the processes ? Daniel Hannan once said that they would punish us even if it did affect the businesses and peoples of Europe. That's my point really , the project is more important than anything and the EU is a different entity than Europe. Well Daryl Hannah once said, “When you've had money and lost it, it can be much worse than never having had it at all!”
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 19:54:07 GMT
Daniel Hannan once said that they would punish us even if it did affect the businesses and peoples of Europe. That's my point really , the project is more important than anything and the EU is a different entity than Europe. Well Daryl Hannah once said, “When you've had money and lost it, it can be much worse than never having had it at all!” I think that there is probably some truth in that. A bit like the parable of the prodigal son in reverse. I don't know what it has to do with the EU though.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 14, 2019 20:10:12 GMT
Oh a politician once said it. Then it must be true! Not necessarily.but Dan is usually pretty thoughtful. I think that there is truth and relevance in your insight that countries act in their own self interest and that Germany and France dominate the EU. I love this lauding of anyone who is pro-Brexit as "thoughtful", when really he's a career politician spouting party propaganda. You just happen to agree with him, so you believe he's one of the great thinkers on the subject. Glad we've found some common ground. Shame you've dodged some points about England dominating the UK and the US dominating NATO.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 20:13:51 GMT
Not necessarily.but Dan is usually pretty thoughtful. I think that there is truth and relevance in your insight that countries act in their own self interest and that Germany and France dominate the EU. I love this lauding of anyone who is pro-Brexit as "thoughtful", when really he's a career politician spouting party propaganda. You just happen to agree with him, so you believe he's one of the great thinkers on the subject. Glad we've found some common ground. Shame you've dodged some points about England dominating the UK and the US dominating NATO. I'm not particularly concerned about those issues; start a thread about them if you think that they are currently important. Im more concerned about the EU... dominated as you say by Germany and France for their own self interest.... and relevant to the thread.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 14, 2019 20:26:43 GMT
I love this lauding of anyone who is pro-Brexit as "thoughtful", when really he's a career politician spouting party propaganda. You just happen to agree with him, so you believe he's one of the great thinkers on the subject. Glad we've found some common ground. Shame you've dodged some points about England dominating the UK and the US dominating NATO. I'm not particularly concerned about those issues; start a thread about them if you think that they are currently important. Im more concerned about the EU... dominated as you say by Germany and France for their own self interest.... and relevant to the thread. Concerned about one organisation being led (I believe I said Germany and France led not dominated, but maybe wrong on that) by certain countries but not other organisations being led by other countries. It seems control and sovereignty is all right to give away, as long as it's not to the bogey man.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 20:36:11 GMT
I'm not particularly concerned about those issues; start a thread about them if you think that they are currently important. Im more concerned about the EU... dominated as you say by Germany and France for their own self interest.... and relevant to the thread. Concerned about one organisation being led (I believe I said Germany and France led not dominated, but maybe wrong on that) by certain countries but not other organisations being led by other countries. It seems control and sovereignty is all right to give away, as long as it's not to the bogey man. The thread is about the EU and your insight is definitely relevant. I don't particularly want to be in an organisation led by Germany and France that is sovereign over the Uk wants ever closer union, when as you say their own interests are paramount....its not sensible is it Rip. C As I say why not start a thread on the other organisations if you want to discuss them.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 14, 2019 20:39:30 GMT
Concerned about one organisation being led (I believe I said Germany and France led not dominated, but maybe wrong on that) by certain countries but not other organisations being led by other countries. It seems control and sovereignty is all right to give away, as long as it's not to the bogey man. The thread is about the EU and your insight is definitely relevant. I don't particularly want to be in an organisation led by Germany and France that is sovereign over the Uk wants ever closer union, when as you say their own interests are paramount....its not sensible is it Rip. C As I say why not start a thread on the other organisations if you want to discuss them. Well this is about your issue that some countries are stronger than others within the EU. I pointed out that every organisation has strong and weak members - and you ignored that point.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 20:44:27 GMT
The thread is about the EU and your insight is definitely relevant. I don't particularly want to be in an organisation led by Germany and France that is sovereign over the Uk wants ever closer union, when as you say their own interests are paramount....its not sensible is it Rip. C As I say why not start a thread on the other organisations if you want to discuss them. Well this is about your issue that some countries are stronger than others within the EU. I pointed out that every organisation has strong and weak members - and you ignored that point. I've not ignored it , I've replied 3 or 4 times. I've even agreed with the main point of yours that Germany and France lead the EU and have their own interests at heart. The other issues are not particularly at the forefront of my thinking at the moment. Im sorry if you don't like the answer , but it is an answer. Why don't you start a thread on the other issues?.. Aren't they currently important enough,?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 14, 2019 20:49:20 GMT
Well this is about your issue that some countries are stronger than others within the EU. I pointed out that every organisation has strong and weak members - and you ignored that point. I've not ignored it , I've replied 3 or 4 times. I've even agreed with the main point of yours that Germany and France lead the EU and have their own interests at heart. The other issues are not particularly at the forefront of my thinking at the moment. Im sorry if you don't like the answer , but it is an answer. Why don't you start a thread on the other issues?.. Aren't they currently important enough,? Ok. I'll stick to talking about the EU in absolute isolation without taking into account any context of how the world works. Best not to let reality shine on some people's idea of Brexit.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 20:50:49 GMT
I've not ignored it , I've replied 3 or 4 times. I've even agreed with the main point of yours that Germany and France lead the EU and have their own interests at heart. The other issues are not particularly at the forefront of my thinking at the moment. Im sorry if you don't like the answer , but it is an answer. Why don't you start a thread on the other issues?.. Aren't they currently important enough,? Ok. I'll stick to talking about the EU in absolute isolation without taking into account any context of how the world works. Best not to let reality shine on some people's idea of Brexit. Good lad
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 14, 2019 21:10:26 GMT
This is true:
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Post by Davef on Aug 14, 2019 21:39:12 GMT
Looks like Jezza's gone all in.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 14, 2019 21:46:18 GMT
Beware this thread is currently being overwhelmed by a Remoaner. But be patient. Hopefully he'll run out of steam soon - although that isn't certain. Leave him alone . He’s clearly more literate in his debate than you are.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 14, 2019 21:51:50 GMT
Looks like Jezza's gone all in. Well, it's been a long time coming but glad to see they finally have an actual Brexit policy. Be interesting to see how that is received. The polls will make interesting viewing over the next couple of weeks.
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Post by foster on Aug 14, 2019 22:18:44 GMT
Looks like Jezza's gone all in. Well, it's been a long time coming but glad to see they finally have an actual Brexit policy. Be interesting to see how that is received. The polls will make interesting viewing over the next couple of weeks. Not an ideal situation but a 2nd referendum would definitively end the deadlock and future debate on the subject.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 14, 2019 22:24:02 GMT
Looks like Jezza's gone all in. Well, it's been a long time coming but glad to see they finally have an actual Brexit policy. Be interesting to see how that is received. The polls will make interesting viewing over the next couple of weeks. About time he said something. But we still don’t know what his and labour’s position is on Brexit.
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Post by serpico on Aug 14, 2019 22:25:00 GMT
So,what’s going to be on a hypothetical 2nd referendum ballot paper ?
No deal Governments withdrawal agreement Remain
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