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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 20:45:17 GMT
Correct, the majority. Particularly in Stoke on Trent Yes.. We're a real patriotic bunch round here. Certainly and we don't want to be in the EU
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 19, 2019 21:04:10 GMT
The majority of people in Stoke on Trent voted to leave the EU because of these reasons. Immigration Queues in the hospital behind Poles and Romanians And the promise of 350 million in the NHS They couldn't give a fook about sovereignty. Strange that of all the people I know that voted leave, none voted to leave because of a promise of 350 million for the nhs The bus slogan has become an obsession for remainers. If only the remainers could have come up with something other than the ridiculous project fear but they just continue to multiply the project fear project. Just give us a real tangible reason to remain in the EU rather than trying to frighten the life out of us
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 21:14:33 GMT
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2019 21:18:14 GMT
Yes.. We're a real patriotic bunch round here. Certainly and we don't want to be in the EU My issue isn't that we leave. I'm fine with that. My issue is leavers unable to accept that what they voted for is never going to materialise. They then take the patriotic stance while every reason for their vote has become null and void. We leave, fine, but at least have the impartiality, integrity and honesty to accept that the leave campaign was based on untruths and fear mongering. To say otherwise is plain delusional. We all saw the shit that was being spouted in the tabloids and on social media during the referendum. Don't pretend otherwise.
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2019 21:19:39 GMT
Strange that of all the people I know that voted leave, none voted to leave because of a promise of 350 million for the nhs The bus slogan has become an obsession for remainers. If only the remainers could have come up with something other than the ridiculous project fear but they just continue to multiply the project fear project. Just give us a real tangible reason to remain in the EU rather than trying to frighten the life out of us Give us some tangible reasons to leave the EU? Sovereignty, democracy and independence don't count.
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2019 21:22:02 GMT
The majority of people in Stoke on Trent voted to leave the EU because of these reasons. Immigration Queues in the hospital behind Poles and Romanians And the promise of 350 million in the NHS They couldn't give a fook about sovereignty. Strange that of all the people I know that voted leave, none voted to leave because of a promise of 350 million for the nhs What did they vote leave for?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 21:26:41 GMT
Certainly and we don't want to be in the EU My issue isn't that we leave. I'm fine with that. My issue is leavers unable to accept that what they voted for is never going to materialise. They then take the patriotic stance while every reason for their vote has become null and void. We leave, fine, but at least have the impartiality, integrity and honesty to accept that the leave campaign was based on untruths and fear mongering. To say otherwise is plain delusional. We all saw the shit that was being spouted in the tabloids and on social media during the referendum. Don't pretend otherwise. I don't agree. Just your opinion. The greatest deceit have come from the EU in its journey towards ever closer union and the Remain campaign of fear made " predictions" that did not come true. Leavers did not need to hear great arguments to know that they want to be in an independent sovereign democratic country free from the antidemocratic, centrist, top down EU. You just can't accept the result, that's the problem
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 19, 2019 21:32:33 GMT
The bus slogan has become an obsession for remainers. If only the remainers could have come up with something other than the ridiculous project fear but they just continue to multiply the project fear project. Just give us a real tangible reason to remain in the EU rather than trying to frighten the life out of us Give us some tangible reasons to leave the EU? Sovereignty, democracy and independence don't count. It's a corrupt gravy train. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10777196/MEPs-second-pension-scheme-how-it-works.html
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2019 21:37:29 GMT
My issue isn't that we leave. I'm fine with that. My issue is leavers unable to accept that what they voted for is never going to materialise. They then take the patriotic stance while every reason for their vote has become null and void. We leave, fine, but at least have the impartiality, integrity and honesty to accept that the leave campaign was based on untruths and fear mongering. To say otherwise is plain delusional. We all saw the shit that was being spouted in the tabloids and on social media during the referendum. Don't pretend otherwise. I don't agree. Just your opinion. The greatest deceit have come from the EU in its journey towards ever closer union and the Remain campaign of fear made " predictions" that did not come true. Leavers did not need to hear great arguments to know that they want to be in an independent sovereign democratic country free from the antidemocratic, centrist, too down EU. So still no tangible reason. Same old rubbish about sovereignty, etc. Anti EU agenda mate. Nothing more.
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2019 21:38:18 GMT
Which politicians aren't?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 21:40:40 GMT
I don't agree. Just your opinion. The greatest deceit have come from the EU in its journey towards ever closer union and the Remain campaign of fear made " predictions" that did not come true. Leavers did not need to hear great arguments to know that they want to be in an independent sovereign democratic country free from the antidemocratic, centrist, too down EU. So still no tangible reason. Same old rubbish about sovereignty, etc. Anti EU agenda mate. Nothing more. Yes totally anti-EU. And sovereignty, democracy, Identity. Very tangible. People have died for independence.
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2019 21:42:48 GMT
So still no tangible reason. Same old rubbish about sovereignty, etc. Anti EU agenda mate. Nothing more. Yes totally anti-EU. And sovereignty, democracy, Identity. Very tangible. People have died for independence. Then explain to me the tangible differences between now and post brexit?
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 19, 2019 21:44:15 GMT
Which politicians aren't? So we should just accept that EU politicians are as corrupt as UK politicians and keep paying? I can almost see the logic.
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2019 21:45:43 GMT
Which politicians aren't? So we should just accept that EU politicians are as corrupt as UK politicians and keep paying? I can almost see the logic. How much do we pay vs what we gain?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 21:46:30 GMT
Yes totally anti-EU. And sovereignty, democracy, Identity. Very tangible. People have died for independence. Then explain to me the tangible differences between now and post brexit? Post BREXIT we cease ever closer union and start to regain democracy, sovereignty and independence. You're best looking into it yourself, particularly if you live in Brussels.... for a starter its in the treaties.....mind you , I don't know if you can remember, we've had the debate and decided to leave in June 2016
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2019 21:47:59 GMT
Then explain to me the tangible differences between now and post brexit? Post BREXIT we cease ever closer union and start to regain democracy, sovereignty and independence. You're best looking into it yourself, particularly if you live in Brussels.... for a starter its in the treaties. So you don't know. Lol.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 21:49:52 GMT
Post BREXIT we cease ever closer union and start to regain democracy, sovereignty and independence. You're best looking into it yourself, particularly if you live in Brussels.... for a starter its in the treaties. So you don't know. Lol. [/quote You Remainers do like to make presumptions for leavers. I think it's to do with being unable to accept the result. I don't know if you can remember, we've had the debate and decided to leave in June 2016. Lol. Lol
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 19, 2019 21:53:39 GMT
So we should just accept that EU politicians are as corrupt as UK politicians and keep paying? I can almost see the logic. How much do we pay vs what we gain? You tell me, someone on here earlier was saying we owe £39bn because that was what the UK government agreed with the EU for outstanding commitments. Seems a bit steep to me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 22:05:17 GMT
Strange that of all the people I know that voted leave, none voted to leave because of a promise of 350 million for the nhs What did they vote leave for? Many reasons, and all done over and over again on here.....but, I have yet to speak to anyone that voted to leave because of that sign on a bus to be honest, it doesn’t say we will spend 350 m on the nhs anyway.....it says we could
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 22:16:16 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 19, 2019 22:22:47 GMT
The fact that so many of the Establishment are so pro EU makes me feel reassured that the majority of the country aren't
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 20, 2019 6:50:33 GMT
The fact that so many of the Establishment are so pro EU makes me feel reassured that the majority of the country aren't That's the funniest thing about all this. For year upon year we've had people telling us how our politicians can't be trusted, how the banks are the scum of the Earth, how giant corporations are only in it for themselves, and it's about time that the normal, average Joe on the street got a chance to have his say. The Brexit referendum rolls around & the normal, average Joe on the street gets the chance to have a say, and he votes to leave the EU. Those same people from above now suddenly say "OMG the normal, average Joe off the street is such a thick, uneducated, racist, bigot who had no idea what he was voting for! Our politicians, the banks & giant corporations all want us to remain, and they know what's best for us, they have our best interests at heart!"
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 20, 2019 7:46:14 GMT
What did they vote leave for? Many reasons, and all done over and over again on here.....but, I have yet to speak to anyone that voted to leave because of that sign on a bus to be honest, it doesn’t say we will spend 350 m on the nhs anyway.....it says we could There was one guy on here who claimed he did, well when I say one guy he is probably on his 30th incarnation at least but his I voted to leave then started to look into how he should have voted afterwards is my favourite* When I say favourite I mean most fuckwitted but I am trying to stop swearing on here:)
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 20, 2019 7:56:02 GMT
There is plenty of legal opinion saying the £39 billion is not payable in the event of no deal, in fact one would wonder if it is as done and dusted why did the EU feel the need to make this part of the withdrawal agreement. Whether the uk pays the EU or not the EU still has to pay these pensions. "There is plenty of legal opinion saying the £39 billion is not payable in the event of no deal=Can you find one please. "Why did the EU feel the need to make this part of the withdrawal agreement"=Not 100% sure who started the conversation off about this but we have agreed to have it attached to the withdrawal agreement.Either way we have to pay the money we owe whilst we are still in .The bill is for the last couple of years not after we leave.We agreed this years ago. Google house of lords it was some sort of advice produced by them and has been regularly mentioned. And you are wrong the largest part of the £39 billion is for the transition period after we leave, if there is no deal there is no transition period and there is therefore no payment for the transition period. You seem to be getting confused, we dont pay in arrears to the EU you know.... You claimed legally we have to pay this regardless if that is the case there would be no need to include this again in the withdrawal agreement, the fact the EU wanted this in there should tell you all you need to know about this been legally enforceable already, it isn't or they wouldn't put it in the WA
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 20, 2019 8:11:19 GMT
The fact that so many of the Establishment are so pro EU makes me feel reassured that the majority of the country aren't That's the funniest thing about all this. For year upon year we've had people telling us how our politicians can't be trusted, how the banks are the scum of the Earth, how giant corporations are only in it for themselves, and it's about time that the normal, average Joe on the street got a chance to have his say. The Brexit referendum rolls around & the normal, average Joe on the street gets the chance to have a say, and he votes to leave the EU. Those same people from above now suddenly say "OMG the normal, average Joe off the street is such a thick, uneducated, racist, bigot who had no idea what he was voting for! Our politicians, the banks & giant corporations all want us to remain, and they know what's best for us, they have our best interests at heart!" How will the average Joe feel once we’ve left a block of countries to gain sovereignty, only to the benefit of the few who will be monetarily disposed to gain from the $#!t storm to follow:- When we have felt the sting of more economic recession/depression, then we will be rip for a bit of Yank bailout, with all of the legal restrictions their lawyers will place on us. Do you remember how long it took us to pay them off for their involvement in WWII. We will exchange the position of an early member of the EU with voting rights & influence, to that of a vassal of the Yanks with no say in our future. Just gathering any scraps that fall off our masters table. The Yanks aren’t all that. The American dream turned into a nightmare. They’re not our friends. And worst of all, Joe did this to us with the help of the ineffectual Cameron. His head should be on a spike outside the Tower.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 20, 2019 9:21:25 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 20, 2019 9:29:53 GMT
How will the average Joe feel once we’ve left a block of countries to gain sovereignty, only to the benefit of the few who will be monetarily disposed to gain from the $#!t storm to follow:- When we have felt the sting of more economic recession/depression, then we will be rip for a bit of Yank bailout, with all of the legal restrictions their lawyers will place on us. Do you remember how long it took us to pay them off for their involvement in WWII. We will exchange the position of an early member of the EU with voting rights & influence, to that of a vassal of the Yanks with no say in our future. Just gathering any scraps that fall off our masters table. The Yanks aren’t all that. The American dream turned into a nightmare. They’re not our friends. And worst of all, Joe did this to us with the help of the ineffectual Cameron. His head should be on a spike outside the Tower. If we had everything we have now but we changed the words 'European Union' to 'United States of America' you'd fight tooth & nail to be free & regain our sovereignty. Terrified of the Yanks shitting on us, but perfectly happy to let the EU shit on us, bizarre logic.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 20, 2019 10:01:53 GMT
How will the average Joe feel once we’ve left a block of countries to gain sovereignty, only to the benefit of the few who will be monetarily disposed to gain from the $#!t storm to follow:- When we have felt the sting of more economic recession/depression, then we will be rip for a bit of Yank bailout, with all of the legal restrictions their lawyers will place on us. Do you remember how long it took us to pay them off for their involvement in WWII. We will exchange the position of an early member of the EU with voting rights & influence, to that of a vassal of the Yanks with no say in our future. Just gathering any scraps that fall off our masters table. The Yanks aren’t all that. The American dream turned into a nightmare. They’re not our friends. And worst of all, Joe did this to us with the help of the ineffectual Cameron. His head should be on a spike outside the Tower. If we had everything we have now but we changed the words 'European Union' to 'United States of America' you'd fight tooth & nail to be free & regain our sovereignty. Terrified of the Yanks shitting on us, but perfectly happy to let the EU shit on us, bizarre logic. He also doesn't understand how the banking system works and he missed mentioning the nhs for a full house on clueless bingo
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Post by vokeswagen on Jul 20, 2019 10:43:21 GMT
If we had everything we have now but we changed the words 'European Union' to 'United States of America' you'd fight tooth & nail to be free & regain our sovereignty. Terrified of the Yanks shitting on us, but perfectly happy to let the EU shit on us, bizarre logic. He also doesn't understand how the banking system works and he missed mentioning the nhs for a full house on clueless bingo You're not really in a position to lecture anyone on cluelessness tbf mate
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 20, 2019 10:47:39 GMT
Labour could ( and in my opinion , "should") be saying some of this ( link below)......but of course it will be shouted down by those ( especially Labour supporters) who don't want outsiders gatecrashing their domain. BREXIT is an opportunity to change not an obstacle to avoid, ignore or overcome. Labour have become part of the problem, rather than offering a solution, having lost their way as a party connected to ordinary people. Obviously these ideas of the BREXIT party will be shouted down on the basis of cost...... having said that I don't think that we would introduce the National health service today, if it was not already in existence.
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