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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 17:05:26 GMT
Come on Dave still waiting for those facts you never know I might change my mind 😂 Think you and I know that's very doubtful. And the moral of the story is..... Don't take the piss out of faith and belief. I might not be able to spell but I'm realistic and honest in my opinions. Thanks Speelchecker 😁
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Post by thevoid on Jul 18, 2019 17:13:00 GMT
He's probably a proof-reader for The Guardian. *proofreader. Technically either way is acceptable, just as some people use email and some use e-mail 👍
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 18, 2019 17:17:30 GMT
Maybe the Stoke fan's didn't believe enough last season. It's all our fault really. And the point is...... If things can be achieved by simple belief from people who are not directly responsible for something, then we would've gone up last season if the fans had believed in it enough.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 17:20:26 GMT
If things can be achieved by simple belief from people who are not directly responsible for something, then we would've gone up last season if the fans had believed in it enough. Ah I see i get it now so what you mean is nothing is for certain even if you wish and believe it yes?
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 18, 2019 17:32:32 GMT
Right, evening folks I'm off now to Conwy enjoy the weekend.
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Post by hoffgreen on Jul 18, 2019 17:41:46 GMT
To all remainers, we're leaving the EU not the planet
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 18, 2019 17:45:46 GMT
If things can be achieved by simple belief from people who are not directly responsible for something, then we would've gone up last season if the fans had believed in it enough. Ah I see i get it now so what you mean is nothing is for certain even if you wish and believe it yes? I'm saying wishing and believing makes little or no difference if you have no actual control.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 18, 2019 17:59:55 GMT
But we do lose out on trade with the EU, and all subsequent trade deals the EU has, immediately. but we gain on not giving the EU a share of the tariffs we currently take We have already spent well over £39 billion on this nonsense. According to a report in May by S&P Global Ratings, Brexit has already cost the British economy £66bn in just under three years - equivalent to around £1,000 per person in the country. and we ain't seen nothing yet. Having to facilitate a no deal option on the table increases the cost substantially, that's not a political point, that's just a fact. Leaving the EU is going to cost us financially and put us in recession. IMF thinks it World Bank thinks it it Moody's Rating's thinks it it The Office for Budget Responsibility thinks it The CBI thinks it The Treasury thinks it The Bank of England thinks it But why would you take their word, when half a dozen hard nosed Oatcakers know far better. The irony is the the only place in the UK that won't be hit hard will be London, the one place that voted Remain. The areas that voted heavily for Brexit will take the biggest hits. Of course, the USA is rubbing their hands because they will be the main benefactors who bail us out a huge cost. 51st state territory.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 18, 2019 19:07:13 GMT
It's not chicken Germany want a deal desperately and their manufacturing leader are telling Merkel to do a deal. And it's all over the EU manufacturing wants to deal it's only arseholes in the EU and HoC are fudging it to stop it because of the EU fanatics. Well what did anyone expect? Of course they're going to fuck us over, otherwise every other country will leave aswell. We've handled this horrifically, and a no deal is not the magic button people think it is. lilfraise Firstly, I don't think that leaving the EU is a magic answer to anything. It is already proving to be a battle and I am pleased that BREXIT has exposed some truths about democracy, the EU and our entitled political class. in my opinion it is the right thing to do , whether easy or the cause of disruption...a bit like entering the second world war or combatting climate change. Whether in someone's opinion to leave the EU is a good thing for the UK or the EU is irrelevant. The UK electorate was asked if it wanted to Leave or Remain in thr EU and in March 2016 it gave its answer. Since then we have had a concerted effort to thwart and undermine the decision despite the promises of the government, clearly documented...as was the meaning of" Leave".... despite the threats and scaremongering people decided to leave. Remainers might not like it, but that's what happened and I believe that leavers are totally happy with the decision. A " deal" is a separate issue. Only introduced and given prominence by the powers to be, Remainers and the media. There is no significant pressure whatsoever from Leavers to demand that leaving is dependent upon a conditional deal....we just want to leave.... not to be part of the centrist, antidemocratic bureacracy. Of course I would like to leave with a deal,. a genuine deal that honours the Referendum result and ensures fair and smooth trade. May's deal didn't do that and was intended to keep us in and facilitate easy rejoining in the future. Our Parliament ( Remainers) and the EU ( Remainers) have not negotiated in good faith and obviously will not agree a "deal" that is fair to Leavers. All the clamour for deals and second referendums is from people like Benn ( junior), Stamer and Grieve..... simply Remainers who can't accept the result. It is possible to be an independent sovereign democratic country, not to be in the EU and to trade. Most countries are. It is not easy to leave because we have moved towards Ever Closer Union over our membership period and it's not easy to escape the grip. The EU is not about trade but about economic and political control and union. I believe that the ' thick' working class understood this and decided that they want independence..... Remainers can believe that it is the wrong decision but in a true democracy , unfortunately, you don't always get your own way. It's now a democratic question....many people say that the election of Corbyn would be a disaster for the country, worse than Brexit, If he is elected perhaps he should not be allowed to be PM? How's the teaching going?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2019 19:11:29 GMT
Well what did anyone expect? Of course they're going to fuck us over, otherwise every other country will leave aswell. We've handled this horrifically, and a no deal is not the magic button people think it is. lilfraise Firstly, I don't think that leaving the EU is a magic answer to anything. It is already proving to be a battle and I am pleased that BREXIT has exposed some truths about democracy, the EU and our entitled political class. in my opinion it is the right thing to do , whether easy or the cause of disruption...a bit like entering the second world war or combatting climate change. Whether in someone's opinion to leave the EU is a good thing for the UK or the EU is irrelevant. The UK electorate was asked if it wanted to Leave or Remain in thr EU and in March 2016 it gave its answer. Since then we have had a concerted effort to thwart and undermine the decision despite the promises of the government, clearly documented...as was the meaning of" Leave".... despite the threats and scaremongering people decided to leave. Remainers might not like it, but that's what happened and I believe that leavers are totally happy with the decision. A " deal" is a separate issue. Only introduced and given prominence by the powers to be, Remainers and the media. There is no significant pressure whatsoever from Leavers to demand that leaving is dependent upon a conditional deal....we just want to leave.... not to be part of the centrist, antidemocratic bureacracy. Of course I would like to leave with a deal,. a genuine deal that honours the Referendum result and ensures fair and smooth trade. May's desl didn't do that and was intended to keep us in and facilitate easy rejoining in the future. Our Parliament ( Remainers) and the EU ( Remainers) have not negotiated in good faith and obviously will not agree a "deal" that is fair to Leavers. All the clamour for deals and second referendums is from people like Benn ( junior), Stamer and Grieve..... simply Remainers who can't accept the result. It is possible to be an independent sovereign democratic country, not to br in theRU and to trade. Most countries are. It is not easy to leave because we have moved towards Ever Closer Union over our membership and it's not easy to escape the grip. The EU is not about trade but about economic and political control and union. I believe that the ' thick' working class understood this and decided that they want independence..... Remainers can believe that it is the wrong decision but in a true democracy , unfortunately, you don't always get your own way. How's the teaching going? Fantastic thank you, loving it! There was not one iota of thought in anyone's mind that we would leave with no deal. Leave.eu said so in their campaign, as did the other campaigns. I dislike the EU myself, but mostly because it places so much emphasis on capital and not people. I would welcome some political union if it were truly for the good of the people living in it, but it's not. The EU became the same old boys' club of businesspeople who work only to further GDP and growth. I worry that when we leave, that is exactly what we will become. A morally corrupt tax haven.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 18, 2019 19:38:37 GMT
lilfraise Firstly, I don't think that leaving the EU is a magic answer to anything. It is already proving to be a battle and I am pleased that BREXIT has exposed some truths about democracy, the EU and our entitled political class. in my opinion it is the right thing to do , whether easy or the cause of disruption...a bit like entering the second world war or combatting climate change. Whether in someone's opinion to leave the EU is a good thing for the UK or the EU is irrelevant. The UK electorate was asked if it wanted to Leave or Remain in thr EU and in March 2016 it gave its answer. Since then we have had a concerted effort to thwart and undermine the decision despite the promises of the government, clearly documented...as was the meaning of" Leave".... despite the threats and scaremongering people decided to leave. Remainers might not like it, but that's what happened and I believe that leavers are totally happy with the decision. A " deal" is a separate issue. Only introduced and given prominence by the powers to be, Remainers and the media. There is no significant pressure whatsoever from Leavers to demand that leaving is dependent upon a conditional deal....we just want to leave.... not to be part of the centrist, antidemocratic bureacracy. Of course I would like to leave with a deal,. a genuine deal that honours the Referendum result and ensures fair and smooth trade. May's desl didn't do that and was intended to keep us in and facilitate easy rejoining in the future. Our Parliament ( Remainers) and the EU ( Remainers) have not negotiated in good faith and obviously will not agree a "deal" that is fair to Leavers. All the clamour for deals and second referendums is from people like Benn ( junior), Stamer and Grieve..... simply Remainers who can't accept the result. It is possible to be an independent sovereign democratic country, not to br in theRU and to trade. Most countries are. It is not easy to leave because we have moved towards Ever Closer Union over our membership and it's not easy to escape the grip. The EU is not about trade but about economic and political control and union. I believe that the ' thick' working class understood this and decided that they want independence..... Remainers can believe that it is the wrong decision but in a true democracy , unfortunately, you don't always get your own way. How's the teaching going? Fantastic thank you, loving it! There was not one iota of thought in anyone's mind that we would leave with no deal. Leave.eu said so in their campaign, as did the other campaigns. I dislike the EU myself, but mostly because it places so much emphasis on capital and not people. I would welcome some political union if it were truly for the good of the people living in it, but it's not. The EU became the same old boys' club of businesspeople who work only to further GDP and growth. I worry that when we leave, that is exactly what we will become. A morally corrupt tax haven. As I've said , everyone should want a " deal" but only if it is a genuine " deal" that honours the referendum.....we are allowed not to be in the EU without a deal. It's now about honesty, truth democracy and honour... I don't think that you are right at all that " a deal" was at the forethought of anyone's mind( paraphrase) in the arguments...the main issue was " not to be in the EU"
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 18, 2019 19:40:37 GMT
In my opinion some people don't really understand what the purpose of the EU is and make presumptions, the EU has been quite good at hiding its purpose... read the treaties, visit the EU parliament and institutions, listen to others than the MSM , EU funded' authorities', global institutions etc, politicians with vested interests. Fear is a very powerful controlling mechanism. The argument to leave has been debated for decades, it isn't an issue that arose out of the blue , once holding a referendum was agreed. "The transfer of our whole democratic system to others"..... speakola.com/political/peter-shore-brexit-oxford-union-eu-referendum-1975An excellent speech to remind us of the issues. Benn is clear on democracy And Corbyn had a few useful things to say when he was free to tell the truth.
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Post by swampmongrel on Jul 18, 2019 20:29:25 GMT
but we gain on not giving the EU a share of the tariffs we currently take We have already spent well over £39 billion on this nonsense. According to a report in May by S&P Global Ratings, Brexit has already cost the British economy £66bn in just under three years - equivalent to around £1,000 per person in the country. and we ain't seen nothing yet. Having to facilitate a no deal option on the table increases the cost substantially, that's not a political point, that's just a fact. Leaving the EU is going to cost us financially and put us in recession. IMF thinks it World Bank thinks it it Moody's Rating's thinks it it The Office for Budget Responsibility thinks it The CBI thinks it The Treasury thinks it The Bank of England thinks it But why would you take their word, when half a dozen hard nosed Oatcakers know far better. The irony is the the only place in the UK that won't be hit hard will be London, the one place that voted Remain. The areas that voted heavily for Brexit will take the biggest hits. Of course, the USA is rubbing their hands because they will be the main benefactors who bail us out a huge cost. 51st state territory. Not sure about that S&P Global Rankings assessment. I’m one of a handful of sad losers who actually sometimes reads economic papers and not the media’s interpretation of them. In general all these analyses are based on an assumed ‘on trend’ annual GDP growth of 2%. Growth has been a bit slower than that since 2016 which I assume is part of the reports calculation (it always is). The problem with the method is that there are many factors that effect GDP growth (business cycle, global trade, domestic politics etc). You can only really compare UK growth to its peer economies (Germany, France, the developed EZ countries) and growth has been OK in comparison helped, in part, by GBP dropping. Looking at the more recent forecasts on no deal - IMF and others - they look about right to me. No deal will reduce trade and therefore GDP in the short run, probably in the order of a few percent against that ‘on trend’ growth and therefore a short recession. In all circumstances GDP will be higher than 2016 so any notion of Brexit making the uk ‘poorer’ is difficult. Maybe ‘less rich’ is reasonable. Semantics. I guess it’s up to the public to decide if those few lost points of growth are still worth it. I tend to think in the event of no deal that tariff free trade will be agreed fairly rapidly. It’s in the interest of both parties for this to happen. In the longer term...who knows. There will be different opportunities as a result of Brexit but it’s hard to know how it might play out. By the way, the Treasury (the memorable extreme project fear) forecasts were shit. Methodologically awful as outlined by Cambridge Economics not distinguishing goods and services. Economics is not an exact science and we need to be careful and honest about the way we use forecasts.
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Post by 4372 on Jul 18, 2019 21:19:35 GMT
I agree. I am no economist. I am more interested in how people are allowing themselves to be duped by a likely Prime Minister who tells lies on a bus, or holds up a kipper and blames the EU for the issues concerning the postal delivery of said fish. Does not mention that the Isle of Man is not a member of the EU, or that the packaging restrictions are based on UK directives, not EU.
Thank God for dumbing-down.
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 19, 2019 5:58:55 GMT
The pm does not have to force through a no deal, parliament already voted overwhelmingingly to leave, all he has to do is not apply for an extension to the WA and we leave, only the PM can do this and parliament can not force him to do it. Johnson has repeatedly said he wont ask for an extinction. But he is a lying ,manipulating clown.So who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 6:07:55 GMT
The pm does not have to force through a no deal, parliament already voted overwhelmingingly to leave, all he has to do is not apply for an extension to the WA and we leave, only the PM can do this and parliament can not force him to do it. Johnson has repeatedly said he wont ask for an extinction. But he is a lying ,manipulating clown.So who knows. I think "extinction" might be a good thing for some of those shysters in the House of Conmen
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 19, 2019 6:32:49 GMT
We would have to pay the £39 billion whether we stay or leave.In fact we are paying it now. IF we leave with no deal we do not pay at all. The £39 Billion is the divorce bill for an amicable deal, no deal no money. Im afraid you are completely incorrect.The money (39 billion)is not a divorce bill.It is money what we have to pay.Ill try and explain.The money is what we agreed to pay way back in 2013 running from 2014 to 2020.Because we said we would leave in 2016, the UK and the EU agreed that the remaining money owed for (2019-2020) would be 39 billion. The post-Brexit payments may end up being significantly less than £39 billion because that figure covers budget commitments for 2019 and 2020 - it was planned on the basis of the UK leaving in March 2019. The UK doesn't look set to leave until at least November, so half a year's payments - numbered in the billions - would no longer be applicable, at the very least.This is an international agreement and cannot legally be withdrawn.The money is for example British pensions for the people who work in Europe and would be political suicide and illegal not to pay the money.If in fact we did decide not to pay we would be sued in the courts in the Hague very quickly indeed as it is an internationally agreed amount signed up at sovereignty level. So in fact what the initial report was saying is that as well as the 39 billion what we have to pay it is forecasting an extra 30 billion added to the national debt each year until it stabalises. Hope this helps.
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 19, 2019 6:33:22 GMT
Johnson has repeatedly said he wont ask for an extinction. But he is a lying ,manipulating clown.So who knows. I think "extinction" might be a good thing for some of those shysters in the House of Conmen slip of the fingers.
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Post by 4372 on Jul 19, 2019 9:25:16 GMT
JRM says that England did not need Europe to win the Cricket World Cup. Does he know the difference between Europe and the EU,I wonder.
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Post by Northy on Jul 19, 2019 9:32:15 GMT
but we gain on not giving the EU a share of the tariffs we currently take We have already spent well over £39 billion on this nonsense. According to a report in May by S&P Global Ratings, Brexit has already cost the British economy £66bn in just under three years - equivalent to around £1,000 per person in the country. and we ain't seen nothing yet. Having to facilitate a no deal option on the table increases the cost substantially, that's not a political point, that's just a fact. Leaving the EU is going to cost us financially and put us in recession. IMF thinks it World Bank thinks it it Moody's Rating's thinks it it The Office for Budget Responsibility thinks it The CBI thinks it The Treasury thinks it The Bank of England thinks it But why would you take their word, when half a dozen hard nosed Oatcakers know far better. The irony is the the only place in the UK that won't be hit hard will be London, the one place that voted Remain. The areas that voted heavily for Brexit will take the biggest hits. Of course, the USA is rubbing their hands because they will be the main benefactors who bail us out a huge cost. 51st state territory. So all the same people who said we were going into a recession if we voted leave, major recession, 10% drop in house prices, 800,000 job losses etc. etc. and the exact opposite happened. The CBI support the big companies, 92% of comapnies in the UK are SME's that aren't in the CBI, 95% of those dont trade with the EU, but are shackled by the EU policies.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 19, 2019 11:20:55 GMT
IF we leave with no deal we do not pay at all. The £39 Billion is the divorce bill for an amicable deal, no deal no money. Im afraid you are completely incorrect.The money (39 billion)is not a divorce bill.It is money what we have to pay.Ill try and explain.The money is what we agreed to pay way back in 2013 running from 2014 to 2020.Because we said we would leave in 2016, the UK and the EU agreed that the remaining money owed for (2019-2020) would be 39 billion. The post-Brexit payments may end up being significantly less than £39 billion because that figure covers budget commitments for 2019 and 2020 - it was planned on the basis of the UK leaving in March 2019. The UK doesn't look set to leave until at least November, so half a year's payments - numbered in the billions - would no longer be applicable, at the very least.This is an international agreement and cannot legally be withdrawn.The money is for example British pensions for the people who work in Europe and would be political suicide and illegal not to pay the money.If in fact we did decide not to pay we would be sued in the courts in the Hague very quickly indeed as it is an internationally agreed amount signed up at sovereignty level. So in fact what the initial report was saying is that as well as the 39 billion what we have to pay it is forecasting an extra 30 billion added to the national debt each year until it stabalises. Hope this helps. There is plenty of legal opinion saying the £39 billion is not payable in the event of no deal, in fact one would wonder if it is as done and dusted why did the EU feel the need to make this part of the withdrawal agreement. Whether the uk pays the EU or not the EU still has to pay these pensions.
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Post by desman2 on Jul 19, 2019 11:40:33 GMT
45 minutes but well worthe a listen to.
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 19, 2019 12:56:54 GMT
Im afraid you are completely incorrect.The money (39 billion)is not a divorce bill.It is money what we have to pay.Ill try and explain.The money is what we agreed to pay way back in 2013 running from 2014 to 2020.Because we said we would leave in 2016, the UK and the EU agreed that the remaining money owed for (2019-2020) would be 39 billion. The post-Brexit payments may end up being significantly less than £39 billion because that figure covers budget commitments for 2019 and 2020 - it was planned on the basis of the UK leaving in March 2019. The UK doesn't look set to leave until at least November, so half a year's payments - numbered in the billions - would no longer be applicable, at the very least.This is an international agreement and cannot legally be withdrawn.The money is for example British pensions for the people who work in Europe and would be political suicide and illegal not to pay the money.If in fact we did decide not to pay we would be sued in the courts in the Hague very quickly indeed as it is an internationally agreed amount signed up at sovereignty level. So in fact what the initial report was saying is that as well as the 39 billion what we have to pay it is forecasting an extra 30 billion added to the national debt each year until it stabalises. Hope this helps. There is plenty of legal opinion saying the £39 billion is not payable in the event of no deal, in fact one would wonder if it is as done and dusted why did the EU feel the need to make this part of the withdrawal agreement. Whether the uk pays the EU or not the EU still has to pay these pensions. "There is plenty of legal opinion saying the £39 billion is not payable in the event of no deal=Can you find one please. "Why did the EU feel the need to make this part of the withdrawal agreement"=Not 100% sure who started the conversation off about this but we have agreed to have it attached to the withdrawal agreement.Either way we have to pay the money we owe whilst we are still in .The bill is for the last couple of years not after we leave.We agreed this years ago.
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2019 14:08:32 GMT
Fantastic thank you, loving it! There was not one iota of thought in anyone's mind that we would leave with no deal. Leave.eu said so in their campaign, as did the other campaigns. I dislike the EU myself, but mostly because it places so much emphasis on capital and not people. I would welcome some political union if it were truly for the good of the people living in it, but it's not. The EU became the same old boys' club of businesspeople who work only to further GDP and growth. I worry that when we leave, that is exactly what we will become. A morally corrupt tax haven. As I've said , everyone should want a " deal" but only if it is a genuine " deal" that honours the referendum.....we are allowed not to be in the EU without a deal. It's now about honesty, truth democracy and honour... I don't think that you are right at all that " a deal" was at the forethought of anyone's mind( paraphrase) in the arguments...the main issue was " not to be in the EU" Come on.. The main issues weren't to just leave the EU. They were to reduce immigration (tied into terrorism), free up jobs for British people and transfer 350m per week of EU payments to the NHS. These are just 3 untruths used to get people to vote leave. They served their purpose but will never actually be applied in real life.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 14:46:17 GMT
As I've said , everyone should want a " deal" but only if it is a genuine " deal" that honours the referendum.....we are allowed not to be in the EU without a deal. It's now about honesty, truth democracy and honour... I don't think that you are right at all that " a deal" was at the forethought of anyone's mind( paraphrase) in the arguments...the main issue was " not to be in the EU" Come on.. The main issues weren't to just leave the EU. They were to reduce immigration (tied into terrorism), free up jobs for British people and transfer 350m per week of EU payments to the NHS. These are just 3 untruths used to get people to vote leave. They served their purpose but will never actually be applied in real life. I don't think so. Most Leavers simply want independence, democracy and sovereignty. Mind you Remainers, not being able to accept the result, Keep telling us what we voted for....in my experience they don't have much idea themselves what the EU is about. ( I take it that the 'lies' fooled most Leavers but didn't fool you) (Im looking to coming to Brussels during the first week in September, How are you fixed?)
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Post by foster on Jul 19, 2019 15:03:15 GMT
Come on.. The main issues weren't to just leave the EU. They were to reduce immigration (tied into terrorism), free up jobs for British people and transfer 350m per week of EU payments to the NHS. These are just 3 untruths used to get people to vote leave. They served their purpose but will never actually be applied in real life. I don't think so. Most Leavers simply want independence, democracy and sovereignty. Mind you Remainers, not being able to accept the result, Keep telling us what we voted for....in my experience they don't have much idea themselves what the EU is about. (Im looking to coming to Brussels during the first week in September, How are you fixed?) I don't care about the result now. I'm happy to leave, stay or whatever. Just don't pretend that the whole thing wasn't based on lies, as you're losing your credibility. We've always had independence, democracy and sovereignty so no point trying to market it as a new concept. It's precisely because we have these that we got to the leave vote in the first place.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 15:10:11 GMT
I don't think so. Most Leavers simply want independence, democracy and sovereignty. Mind you Remainers, not being able to accept the result, Keep telling us what we voted for....in my experience they don't have much idea themselves what the EU is about. (Im looking to coming to Brussels during the first week in September, How are you fixed?) I don't care about the result now. I'm happy to leave, stay or whatever. Just don't pretend that the whole thing wasn't based on lies, as you're losing your credibility. We've always had independence, democracy and sovereignty so no point trying to market it as a new concept. It's precisely because we have these that we got to the leave vote in the first place. Many of us have wanted to leave for many years. Im not pretending anything. You just have difficulty coming to terms with the result. I am not aware of a tidal wave of Leavers protesting and marching etc claiming that they have been deceived. I am aware of Remainers telling everyone all about how Leavers think etc. I am aware of a few genuine Remainers who respect the result and having seen the truth of the EU have changed their minds. Why not pretend ( should be easy) that you are a disgruntled Leaver and form a like-minded Facebook group, to get some momentum? And over the years the deception has been on the part of the EU.... what do you think that the EU is?.... your last paragraph shows a distinct lack of understanding.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 17:41:05 GMT
For those who may have followed the Darren Grimes case.
Irrespective of Brexit, this seems like overkill and a waste of taxpayers money particularly in light of other injustices.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2019 18:01:30 GMT
I don't think so. Most Leavers simply want independence, democracy and sovereignty. Mind you Remainers, not being able to accept the result, Keep telling us what we voted for....in my experience they don't have much idea themselves what the EU is about. (Im looking to coming to Brussels during the first week in September, How are you fixed?) I don't care about the result now. I'm happy to leave, stay or whatever. Just don't pretend that the whole thing wasn't based on lies, as you're losing your credibility. We've always had independence, democracy and sovereignty so no point trying to market it as a new concept. It's precisely because we have these that we got to the leave vote in the first place. Top top post. Well said that man👍
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 19, 2019 18:18:32 GMT
I don't care about the result now. I'm happy to leave, stay or whatever. Just don't pretend that the whole thing wasn't based on lies, as you're losing your credibility. We've always had independence, democracy and sovereignty so no point trying to market it as a new concept. It's precisely because we have these that we got to the leave vote in the first place. Top top post. Well said that man👍 That confirms it then🤭
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